Hayes? Tommie Smith?
Hayes? Tommie Smith?
sprintguy wrote:
Yeah, there are definitely some flaws in my approach and it does favor more current sprinters but this is the best i can do. I am not very informed on track and field pre 1980 aside from what my parents and grandparents told me
You are not giving any weight to world records at all and giving too much to world championships vs. Olympics. Breaking a world record and being the fastest man/woman in history should count for something. It's true FloJo only had one great year but it's 33 years now and still no one has run as fast.
sprintguy wrote:
nah Koch is very underrated. She isn't even good enough to shine MJ shoes
Now it's clear that you are just a clown who can't taken seriously. No arguments for your ranking Koch on 31 but you just can't admit it.
Overrated? By you? Well over 15 individual WRs from 60m to 400m, global silber over 100, global gold over 200 and 400. But top 50 seems too high I think.
Koch must be in top 5, this must not be debated.
Powell never won at individual gold at worlds and never won an individual medal at the olympics
I already gave you my reason for playing Koch where she is. She only won 2 individual golds are worlds/olympics and an individual silver medal. There are athletes who did much better than that
sprintguy wrote:
I already gave you my reason for playing Koch where she is. She only won 2 individual golds are worlds/olympics and an individual silver medal. There are athletes who did much better than that
Koch on 31 is just ridiculous . Success at the highest level from 60m to 400m. Obviously the greatest over 400m all-time.
Are you just aware that there was a boykott in 84? That the first world Champs were in 83?
Koch even could be nr 2 behind Bolt.
Even if she was actually top 5 material, which is don't think she even sniffs but lets just agree to disagree on that point, to be number 2 would be saying she is greater than johnson which is just an absurd thing to say. Johnson dominated in the 200m and 400m for a decade and pretty much won almost every world championship and olympics he competed in for both events. 3 individual olympic gold and 6 individual world championship gold. Not to mention he broke both records which stood for 12 years for the 200m and 17 years for the 400m and were only beaten by freak athletes. He also still has the 4x400m WR.
The only thing Koch has over him she still has the world record. But honestly I am suspicious of every record before the 90's and not because they were doping but because they had no restriction to how much they could dope. But i am just mentioning this and didn't take this fact into account hence the reason Gatlin is so high.
To put Koch ahead of Johnson is not absurd. She dominated the 400m more than Johnson but more important, she was absolutely world class over 100m ( and even 60m) which Johnson himself said he never could have achieved.
Koch retired early, yes. But still, for 9 straight seasons, she was the best female sprinter (if you count the full spectrum) in the world.
To put in the fact that Johnson has had the 400 WR for 17 years is - well, - laughable, wenn Koch is the WR holder since over 43 years.
If you bring the doping issue into account, not many names from your list should remain.
ok we will just agree to disagree. Tell you mother or grandmother, Koch, that i said hi
sprintguy wrote:
ok we will just agree to disagree. Tell you mother or grandmother, Koch, that i said hi
It was clear already before, that you are just a clown who is not interested in arguments.
My mother and my grandmother are not alive anymore ( and were never named Koch).
Also: Bob Hayes not in top 50 but Christine Ohuruogu on 13? What's the point of such a nonsense list at all?
If you have ranked by the nr. of medals only, maybe you should not talk about some general ranking?
No, Ben Johnson is not the second greatest.
juvie wrote:
No, Ben Johnson is not the second greatest.
Joshua is the 2nd greatest, not Ben.
sprintguy wrote:
Thompson-Herah is brought down by the fact that she has no individual gold medal at the world championship. not yet at least.
De grasse only has 1 olympic gold and no worlds gold. He needs to do abit more to get on the list.
deGrasse has double the oly medals of Christie and James. He also had to compete against the GOAT Bolt, which reduced his medal count/color, and he's still only 26. Better to consider who they're racing against as well as medal output.
Christie was caught multiple times for doping, didn't even break 20 sec for 200.
sprintguy wrote:
Powell never won at individual gold at worlds and never won an individual medal at the olympics
They run other races, you know.
Powell has 24 wins between Golden League & Diamond League, 5 wins at World Athletics Finals, 8 Jamaican national championships spanning ‘03-‘15, former WR holder and if memory serves the most sub-10 clockings in history.
To look exclusively at Olympic & WC golds is an embarrassingly limited scope.
Pretty worthless list ultimately. And I believe you wrote “Lewis only really showed up for one year” in defense of your placing Jesse Owens at #37+, which obviously makes no sense.
There is no "right" answer, but Jesse Owens is way too low.
Sorry i should have specified that it is michael johnson not ben
sorry i meant owens not lewis. That's a typo
Clearly not the best you can do. The internet makes is to identify pre 1980 olympic medalists and pre 1980 sprinter's position on all-time lists. Basic understanding of the improvements in track surfaces gives you some basis to compare pre-1980 sprinters to those that came later. Sure it is not perfect but you certainly could have done a better job of including pre-1980 sprinters. Now that you have more information, I would be interested in your revised list.
juvie wrote:
No, Ben Johnson is not the second greatest.
Nope, not number 2, but Ben should be on the list. He has an Olympic Gold and WC Gold. I mean with all the other dopers on that list, not including Ben is an egregious oversight.