World juniors insane 800 m, Wanyoni 1:43.76, Al Gouaned 1:44.45, Kibet 1:44.88

Armstronglivs. I hate to bring this up here, but everything about you suddenly made sense to me upon recently discovering you're a kiwi. Let's just say, based on my, and my circle of friends, experience, it's best to give your sort a wide berth. And that's what I do.

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs. I hate to bring this up here, but everything about you suddenly made sense to me upon recently discovering you're a kiwi. Let's just say, based on my, and my circle of friends, experience, it's best to give your sort a wide berth. And that's what I do.

Of course you do. We have border controls. I am also selective about the company I keep. So what percentage of 5 million Kiwis did you say you know?

Passant wrote:

zxccxzv wrote:

At any rate, these guys are very good now and will be competitive on the senior circuit next year and 2024.

Al Gaouaned will be a beast in the next coming years. I have seen more more than once this year. You can be sure he is a consistent runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxn18G0LQGI

F### World Athletics and their pathetic 30-second clips

Kenyans never dope. There is no culture of doping in Kenya not sure why anyone would suspect it. Give these guys a break they are probably college freshman doing their studies and training in the mornings.

Ghost1 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you can trust the genuineness of Kenyan performances these days. I see E Germans all over again. Too good to be true.

This type of automatic suspicion about outstanding performances is getting old and sad.

Well I'm glad us Americans never have to deal with that! LOL

But, you're right, we should all try to be non-cynical.

Armstronglivs wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs. I hate to bring this up here, but everything about you suddenly made sense to me upon recently discovering you're a kiwi. Let's just say, based on my, and my circle of friends, experience, it's best to give your sort a wide berth. And that's what I do.

Of course you do. We have border controls. I am also selective about the company I keep. So what percentage of 5 million Kiwis did you say you know?

Just a sample, and an extremely unpleasant one at that. But enough for me to make a statistical inference. And don’t worry. Your little archipelago is, fortunately well tucked away from the rest of the world and has never been on my bucket list. Now, if only we could contain its citizens within.

Lol and they don't age cheat either right ! And people write that all the Kenyan Under 20 team are selected from schools , horse s..t , I know 3 coaches to some of these young athletes and none of their boys and girls are in school ... Wonderful story to tell the world that they are selected from schools 😉😂

Ghost1 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you can trust the genuineness of Kenyan performances these days. I see E Germans all over again. Too good to be true.

I think your sentiments are completely wrong and I think you forgot these kids are juniors and it is highly unlikely or virtually impossible that they are already “onto something” at that early age. These kids from Kenya they’re all in high school still studying. They’re not even at University yet. They’re just kids, with amazing talent and guts and great genetics.

I will say with almost absolute certainty 99.9% that the winner (Wanyoni) and the third placer (Noah Kibet), are as clean as whistles.

I have less knowledge about the Algerian who looked very strong. Probably squeaky clean too.

This type of automatic suspicion about outstanding performances is getting old and sad.

You are probably right about these kids being clean, but I am pretty certain they are over age.

TrackCoach wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

I think your sentiments are completely wrong and I think you forgot these kids are juniors and it is highly unlikely or virtually impossible that they are already “onto something” at that early age. These kids from Kenya they’re all in high school still studying. They’re not even at University yet. They’re just kids, with amazing talent and guts and great genetics.

I will say with almost absolute certainty 99.9% that the winner (Wanyoni) and the third placer (Noah Kibet), are as clean as whistles.

I have less knowledge about the Algerian who looked very strong. Probably squeaky clean too.

This type of automatic suspicion about outstanding performances is getting old and sad.

You are probably right about these kids being clean, but I am pretty certain they are over age.

Certain? Based on what?

El Keniano, you have absolutely no chance to "win" a discussion with Armstronglivs. I have several times tried to argue with him on some subjects - he was wrong in some, absolutely unquestionable - but he just can't agree when he is wrong. He just CAN'T. Seems to be some mental issue.

You are a good poster with some great insight to Kenyan runners - but please try not to drift on Coevett's level on some occasions.

restrunner wrote:

El Keniano, you have absolutely no chance to "win" a discussion with Armstronglivs. I have several times tried to argue with him on some subjects - he was wrong in some, absolutely unquestionable - but he just can't agree when he is wrong. He just CAN'T. Seems to be some mental issue.

You are a good poster with some great insight to Kenyan runners - but please try not to drift on Coevett's level on some occasions.

this is true. armstronglivs has some incredible fortitude. just see his several hundred posts about athing mu being overrated.

The point being that there’s almost always automatic suspicion when good runners from Kenya these days produce good results. It’s almost like a default reaction that “he or she must be doping. “

With regard to the Kenyan runners and someone pointing out that they were overage, I actually disagree with that and think that most of them look their age. However, curiously, a lot of the Ethiopian runners to me look over age but that may be is attributable to the physical characteristics because they look more like Arabs to me and have more Caucasian type features or hybrid type features which makes them look older and more severe in the face. I find it astonishing that there is such a vast physical difference between Ethiopians and Kenyans even though they are border countries.

With regard to the under 20 Kenyan girls, most of them look young/ their stated ages indeed and some of them look even younger than their stated ages because many of them actually sport very short haircuts which make them look more like 12 year old boys than girls which is a curious facet in Kenya for young ladies.

Jonas Ollsen wrote:

Lol and they don't age cheat either right ! And people write that all the Kenyan Under 20 team are selected from schools , horse s..t , I know 3 coaches to some of these young athletes and none of their boys and girls are in school ... Wonderful story to tell the world that they are selected from schools 😉😂

I literally provided a site where you can find the athletes and their schools. You and armstronlivs are peas in a pod.

Ghost1 wrote:

The point being that there’s almost always automatic suspicion when good runners from Kenya these days produce good results. It’s almost like a default reaction that “he or she must be doping. “

The thing about Kenya is if you dope, you'll get caught. Guaranteed. Not so in Europe or America where doping is sophisticated.

El Keniano wrote:

That was utter madness. And Kibet was tripped at 600m by Al Gouaned. Shocking performance by all 3. I don't think the class of Tokyo 2021 will have a look-in in Paris.

Al Gouaned cut in too quickly and almost made Kibet crash..

Yes, he made Kibet lose all momentum but the boy hang on for Bronze. Without the bump, I think Kibet could have got a different medal. We have it with regard to the 800m and even the steeple.

These young men will be guided by Conseslus kipruto and Paris, they'll be ready.

NativeSon wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

That was utter madness. And Kibet was tripped at 600m by Al Gouaned. Shocking performance by all 3. I don't think the class of Tokyo 2021 will have a look-in in Paris.

Al Gouaned cut in too quickly and almost made Kibet crash..

Yes, he made Kibet lose all momentum but the boy hang on for Bronze. Without the bump, I think Kibet could have got a different medal. We have it with regard to the 800m and even the steeple.

These young men will be guided by Conseslus kipruto and Paris, they'll be ready.

The steeple boys renewed my faith in the future. That Amos Serem especially could be the new Kemboi, He has the kick and the dance moves.

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Of course you do. We have border controls. I am also selective about the company I keep. So what percentage of 5 million Kiwis did you say you know?

Just a sample, and an extremely unpleasant one at that. But enough for me to make a statistical inference. And don’t worry. Your little archipelago is, fortunately well tucked away from the rest of the world and has never been on my bucket list. Now, if only we could contain its citizens within.

You can draw a statistical inference from 1 in 5 million? Not the brightest tool in the kit, are you? And you're offended when someone responds to your little sneers. You're a twat. But, unlike you, I wouldn't judge your countrymen by you.

Let's hear it for "clean" Kenyan running. But the stats for doping busts seem to say otherwise - Kenyans are second only to Russia for being the worst doping offenders out there. They are certainly winning that "race". Here are the latest figures from the Economist.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/05/russia-and-kenya-take-the-podium-in-the-athletics-doping-contest

Kenyan running is a disgrace to the sport.

Armstronglivs wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Just a sample, and an extremely unpleasant one at that. But enough for me to make a statistical inference. And don’t worry. Your little archipelago is, fortunately well tucked away from the rest of the world and has never been on my bucket list. Now, if only we could contain its citizens within.

You can draw a statistical inference from 1 in 5 million? Not the brightest tool in the kit, are you? And you're offended when someone responds to your little sneers. You're a twat. But, unlike you, I wouldn't judge your countrymen by you.

It wasn't one, genius. And the worst part is they lack the self-awareness to realise they're making others uncomfortable, especially when they assume all white people from other parts of the world share their views.