What bothers me about this and the half dozen other bust that where announced today is the fact when athletes are busted at competitions, means the national anti doping agencies are not doing their jobs. USA athletes are almost always busted by USADA.
ben johnson should have won gold wrote:
And which counterpart of Giannis are you talking about? Very few nba players have been popped for PEDs. Especially star caliber players.
The starting center and former overall #1 NBA draft pick who defended him 1-on-1 throughout the NBA finals.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/10/24/20931538/deandre-ayton-phoenix-suns-suspension-diureticAvid Hobby Jogger wrote:
I agree with just about everything you say, US major pro sports are all ripe with doping. However, it is at least plausible that Giannis could gain that muscle seeing that he was only 19 when drafted and began putting on the muscle while being in the prime male age range to do so and having much better access to nutrition and training after signing his NBA contract.
I think we agree that that theory, while possible, isn't likely. I like Giannis a lot, but it is what it (likely) is. He did look thinner during the finals.
The bigger point is simply that these kinds of gains are reported all the time in major sports media w/out anyone batting an eyelash. Meanwhile, T&F athletes whose improvements are minimal by comparison can't breathe w/out being accused of doping.
Someone pointed out that the NFL is a doping free for all. True. They said you can't compare it to an Olympic sport. True again: Olympic sports like T&F are way cleaner, the athletes put up w/ far more scrutiny for comparatively minimal salaries, and we wonder why the sport is in the dumpster next to your neighbor's GNC tote bag.
Faulknerism wrote:
Avid Hobby Jogger wrote:
I agree with just about everything you say, US major pro sports are all ripe with doping. However, it is at least plausible that Giannis could gain that muscle seeing that he was only 19 when drafted and began putting on the muscle while being in the prime male age range to do so and having much better access to nutrition and training after signing his NBA contract.
I think we agree that that theory, while possible, isn't likely. I like Giannis a lot, but it is what it (likely) is. He did look thinner during the finals.
The bigger point is simply that these kinds of gains are reported all the time in major sports media w/out anyone batting an eyelash. Meanwhile, T&F athletes whose improvements are minimal by comparison can't breathe w/out being accused of doping.
Someone pointed out that the NFL is a doping free for all. True. They said you can't compare it to an Olympic sport. True again: Olympic sports like T&F are way cleaner, the athletes put up w/ far more scrutiny for comparatively minimal salaries, and we wonder why the sport is in the dumpster next to your neighbor's GNC tote bag.
To play devil's advocate, Giannis was described as 'malnourished' when he arrived in the NBA. He'd been penniless, hustling in the streets. Give a emaciated 7 footer a personal chef and 60 lbs in 8 years is nothing.
donkey Douglas wrote:
Faulknerism wrote:
I think we agree that that theory, while possible, isn't likely. I like Giannis a lot, but it is what it (likely) is. He did look thinner during the finals.
The bigger point is simply that these kinds of gains are reported all the time in major sports media w/out anyone batting an eyelash. Meanwhile, T&F athletes whose improvements are minimal by comparison can't breathe w/out being accused of doping.
Someone pointed out that the NFL is a doping free for all. True. They said you can't compare it to an Olympic sport. True again: Olympic sports like T&F are way cleaner, the athletes put up w/ far more scrutiny for comparatively minimal salaries, and we wonder why the sport is in the dumpster next to your neighbor's GNC tote bag.
To play devil's advocate, Giannis was described as 'malnourished' when he arrived in the NBA. He'd been penniless, hustling in the streets. Give a emaciated 7 footer a personal chef and 60 lbs in 8 years is nothing.
Perhaps. You can go on youtube and look at him in his rookie year. Doesn't exactly look malnourished, but I have no doubt that the majority of his growth is the result of better nutrition and good clean hard work. Giannis is just one guy, and he seems to be a lovely person in many regards. I'm not alleging that he committed a war crime. I just want to point out that the discrepancy in scrutiny is hurting T&F to an unfair degree.
Wow
GB loses relay medal
Canada Silver
China Bronze
fnhriel wrote:
Wow
GB loses relay medal
Official? Link?
My W8 Is F9 wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Yeah, Kilty is a good team man, always proud to wear the GB vest and totally committed to the relay squad. It will be sad to see him lose that Olympic medal. I wouldn't want to be CJ Ujah facing up to his teammates
There is no excuse beyond I got caught. Sarms isn't in contaminated food or supplements. Many manufacturers of Sarms are in mainland China, hmmm.....
Ostarine is one of the most prevalent substances in contaminated supplements actually. I’m not saying his positive result was due to contamination, but your sentence “sarms isn’t in contaminated food or supplements” is blatantly false.
High hopes wrote:
I wouldn't want to be CJ Ujah facing up to his teammates
Why?, his team mates will just put their arm around him and say:
"Don't feel bad about it, it could have been anyone of us, it's just bad luck."
Y'know, just like they do with the bloke who doesn't score in the penalty shoot out.
https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/substance-profile-ostarine/c7runner7 wrote:
My W8 Is F9 wrote:
There is no excuse beyond I got caught. Sarms isn't in contaminated food or supplements. Many manufacturers of Sarms are in mainland China, hmmm.....
Ostarine is one of the most prevalent substances in contaminated supplements actually. I’m not saying his positive result was due to contamination, but your sentence “sarms isn’t in contaminated food or supplements” is blatantly false.
Not according to the this but that still doesn't mean you're wrong.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
There’s little interest because he is just “this week’s bust”.
It’s now taken for granted that everyone is using, and that they might pop sometime, so it’s just business as usual.
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Everyone's using but one is caught? How do you explain that logic?
My W8 Is F9 wrote:
https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/substance-profile-ostarine/c7runner7 wrote:
Ostarine is one of the most prevalent substances in contaminated supplements actually. I’m not saying his positive result was due to contamination, but your sentence “sarms isn’t in contaminated food or supplements” is blatantly false.
Not according to the this but that still doesn't mean you're wrong.
“USADA’s athlete advisory recognizes the demonstrated prevalence of ostarine in a wide range of supplement products used by athletes (see USADA High Risk List <
https://www.supplement411.org/hrl/> for more than 70 products) and that ostarine has frequently been found as a product contaminant.”
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/news/item/usada-resolves-four-cases-involving-ostarine-following-positive-tests-under-the-ufc-anti-doping-policyEven a stinking salt tablet contained ostarine.
I am Sam wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
There’s little interest because he is just “this week’s bust”.
It’s now taken for granted that everyone is using, and that they might pop sometime, so it’s just business as usual.
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Everyone's using but one is caught? How do you explain that logic?
"figure of speech
noun
a word or phrase used in a non-literal sense for rhetorical or vivid effect."
But:
"It’s now taken for granted that potentially everyone is using, and that they might pop sometime, so it’s just business as usual."
Would have been more appropriate and 100% accurate.
TrackCoach wrote:
What bothers me about this and the half dozen other bust that where announced today is the fact when athletes are busted at competitions, means the national anti doping agencies are not doing their jobs. USA athletes are almost always busted by USADA.
Nope. Ask Coleman, Houlihan or McNeal, our recent busts. Most NADOs prefer to protect their cheats.
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Instant News wrote:
fnhriel wrote:
Wow
GB loses relay medal
Official? Link?
..,which means that the US should have been in the final (they were the next ones to be in).
That would have changed everything.
Could have/should have/would have
Ostarine is one of the more common illegal substances in supplements. I believe in this case Ujah really took the substance unknowingly; it would be unbelievably stupid to use Ostarine knowingly just before the games, since it's easily detected. If he can prove that he unknowingly took contaminated supplements, he could get away with a shorter ban, but that silver medal is very likely gone.
truth to power wrote:
pop one for the brit mandatory state sponsored doping program
As a Brit, I fear this may be true. We became obsessed with winning Olympic medals around the time we won the race to host 2012. We won ONE gold medal at Atlanta ‘96. Redgrave & Pinsent in the rowing. Two genuinely special athletes. Then we had the National Lottery and athletes receive a lot more funding from that, which is what they claim to be the reason for our success since then. But I do worry that doping may be involved. The cycling is particularly suspect. Their ‘no stone unturned’ and 1% better in all areas approach sounds good, but they also make nice cover stories to explain away the real reasons for the success. I can’t say we were totally clean pre-96. Linford Christie won the 100m at Barcelona. But I think doping was limited to individuals back then. Now, I fear the “state sponsored” tag might be correct. Sporting success is a great way to keep the public in a state of euphoria, so that they are less likely to complain about politicians and their evil agendas.