Have to say though, the Japanese workers at the table worked really fast to put them back for the remaining runners!
Kudos to them.
Have to say though, the Japanese workers at the table worked really fast to put them back for the remaining runners!
Kudos to them.
rekrunner wrote:
Have to say though, the Japanese workers at the table worked really fast to put them back for the remaining runners!
Kudos to them.
What else would you expect from those people. That country has their s#it together. We had to nuke em twice before they gave up. It’s an impressive culture. If you had to rank societies based on the general levels of individual discipline within the society you would put Japan at or very near the top.
That slow-mo video actually changed my mind.
It was clearly NOT on purpose.
Shut it down, folks! nothing to see here.
YourMom.Com wrote:
That slow-mo video actually changed my mind.
It was clearly NOT on purpose.
Shut it down, folks! nothing to see here.
Agreed
rekrunner wrote:
Have to say though, the Japanese workers at the table worked really fast to put them back for the remaining runners!
Kudos to them.
I hope they replaced them in the original order.
They probably did though.
Waterbottlegate wrote:
How would you have fared in that situation?
He was fumbling. But not committing an act of sabotage.
Exactly.
Have any of you people actually run a quality marathon?
If you are 100% dialed in at ~30k, especially if the wheels are coming off, it is a total mental effort to keep moving in a straight line. You can barely make operate your body except to move forward, and snatching an object out of an idiotically stacked line-up could certainly result in screw-ups. Add to that being in a tight group? Come on.
When I ran my PR there was a moment in the closing miles when a little kid and their mom were crossing the road up ahead and I just missed plowing them over.
Running fresh on a tempo or even taking a stride-out at mile pace, I could prance around a crowd while grabbing butterflies out of the air with chopsticks, but while drilling marathon pace in the heat 18 miles in I would be lucky to knock away a beachball if you threw one at me.
Ghost1 wrote:
A little bit of background here, on the bottle tumbling thoner, M.Amdouni.
Amdouni grew up on the projects in Porto Vechio, Corsica, an island belonging to France in the Mediterranean Sea. The projects are basically social housing for poor and disadvantaged people large majority of them immigrants from the Maghrib that is countries like Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco. He had to fight for everything during his childhood as he was quite small. He loved soccer and on the soccer field he showed tremendous tenacious spirit but he would have to fight for every ball because he was knocked around by his peers who were often much bigger than him.
Most of his peers that he grew up with are now either unemployed and many of them are in prison, mostly for drug offenses because France takes a very hard line against drugs even “soft drugs” like marijuana and cannabis.
If you look at the background he came from it’s quite amazing that he has succeeded as much as he has. As far as we know he has no criminal record which is a badge of honor in France for people from that background. We call it « casier judiciaire vierge » which means a “white sheet of paper no criminal record” that is a feat in itself coming from the background where so many of his peers were involved in illegal acts from burglary to drug pushing.
Once again, I’m not condoning what he did, but if you were in his shoes you might also have things happened to you which are unfortunate.
Let’s give this guy a break and MoveOn please - thank you.
I am a retired social worker so I appreciate you informing us about Amduoni’s background.However if he did do this intentionally than there must be severe consequences for this action no matter what his background is. There is no place for this kind of behavior in sports or any other place in society. I do not want to believe that a world class athlete , or any athlete, would intentionally do such a thing.
track record on the track wrote:
YourMom.Com wrote:
That slow-mo video actually changed my mind.
It was clearly NOT on purpose.
Shut it down, folks! nothing to see here.
Agreed
Of course he intentionally knocked them over. He knocks over half a dozen just to take one? If he was that uncoordinated he wouldn't have still been on his feet.
I see all the sock puppets from the other thread started a new one.
Grabbing a cup or bottle on the run is not a challenging task. It's Running 101 for a rec runner. At elite levels you can do it in your sleep.
This was not an accident. It's not heat or fatigue-induced lack of co-ordination.
In many years of competing in and watching road races and triathlon, I have never seen this. A couple bottles, sure... and entire row... no frakking way.
YourMom.Com wrote:
That slow-mo video actually changed my mind.
It was clearly NOT on purpose.
Shut it down, folks! nothing to see here.
Agreed. it's obvious from the slow motion that it was an accident. Obvious. Whoever says otherwise hasn't watched the slow motion.
Ghost1 wrote:
A little bit of background here, on the bottle tumbling thoner, M.Amdouni.
Amdouni grew up on the projects in Porto Vechio…(5 paragraphs of drivel)….
Let’s give this guy a break and MoveOn please - thank you.
He’s a world-class ahole. I don’t care if he was poor and got his soccer ball stolen when he was seven.
Armstronglivs wrote:
track record on the track wrote:
Agreed
Of course he intentionally knocked them over. He knocks over half a dozen just to take one? If he was that uncoordinated he wouldn't have still been on his feet.
Says the "expert" in everything who has never grabbed a water bottle in a race.
vaccinated wrote:
YourMom.Com wrote:
That slow-mo video actually changed my mind.
It was clearly NOT on purpose.
Shut it down, folks! nothing to see here.
Agreed. it's obvious from the slow motion that it was an accident. Obvious. Whoever says otherwise hasn't watched the slow motion.
I watched it... many times... did nothing to change my mind about this being intentional. If you're going to intentionally plow a row of water bottles down, why make it obvious?
There's just no way a runner at this level could be so uniquely clumsy.
rekrunner wrote:
You try it too, then come back to us and only then, can you tell us if you found it "almost impossible".
Meanwhile no one from the men or women failed so badly. I dont recall ever seeing anything comparable in any marathon, ever.
But sure, "almost impossible" should be the default assumption.
Agreed, first time I’ve ever seen something like this in a major marathon. If it wasn’t on purpose that’s great, that just makes him totally brain dead and careless.
fully vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
A little bit of background here, on the bottle tumbling thoner, M.Amdouni.
Amdouni grew up on the projects in Porto Vechio…(5 paragraphs of drivel)….
Let’s give this guy a break and MoveOn please - thank you.
He’s a world-class ahole. I don’t care if he was poor and got his soccer ball stolen when he was seven.
Ok, after watching the slow-mo I take it back. That does look unintentional.
fully vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:
fully vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:
He’s a world-class ahole. I don’t care if he was poor and got his soccer ball stolen when he was seven.
Ok, after watching the slow-mo I take it back. That does look unintentional.
It’s amazing how long it take to learn that if you don’t close you hand you can’t grab a bottle after doing it successfully at the many previous water stations, and just happen to do it for the last bottle you grab when others on your heels
Ghost1 wrote:
Reminder, from previous thread:
Do you people ever watch ATP tennis professionals.? There are professional tennis players (Kirgios, Paire, etc...) who do the same kind of thing over and over again and people just laugh and life goes on. It just seems that in track - athletes are held to a higher order which is disproportionate to what they do.
While at first I agreed with those who said he did it on purpose, after watching a few times I feel that it was just very clumsy.
But I have to ask, what are you talking about with this ATP comparison? What Nick and Benoit do is somewhat distracting but probably not so much to other pros. In this marathon, the clumsy runner was essentially (potentially) making others miss water until the next opportunity. It could lead to them dropping out. This situation is more akin to making another player miss his fluids on a couple changeovers on a very hot day. Nick, Benoit et al never mess with the other players that badly.
its only 5k wrote:
fully vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:
Ok, after watching the slow-mo I take it back. That does look unintentional.
It’s amazing how long it take to learn that if you don’t close you hand you can’t grab a bottle after doing it successfully at the many previous water stations, and just happen to do it for the last bottle you grab when others on your heels
So a one second conspiracy carefully enacted to look accidental when reviewed in super slow motion?
And he did it with such skill that he could pass it off as loss off coordination due to dehydration?
And look how he positioned himself awkwardly to dupe the unwary into thinking it wasn't deliberate?
Is that what you're saying?
Not guilty. Amazing how different it looks slow mo and closeup. I hope the French runner is not paying attention to the internet chatter, or bad press. He deserves a few apologies.
So obviously this was an accident.
Like it’s not even up for debate if you have ever run a marathon.