You have way to much time on your hands you kook...You must be one of those jurek loving mfs...I'll take on Jurek in 2007 when he returns to WS 100.
You have way to much time on your hands you kook...You must be one of those jurek loving mfs...I'll take on Jurek in 2007 when he returns to WS 100.
You have way too much time on your hands you kook...You must be one of those jurek loving mfs...I'll take on Jurek in 2007 when he returns to WS 100.
'expertopinion' you are an idiot. It seems like most of you respect ultrarunning, though, which is neat. It's a different focus than shorter, road-oriented stuff, but it's still running. My friend just won the national road 100-mile title, averaging just over 9:00-minute pace to set a course record for US women. Besides peak period two-day sessions (usually a six-hour, and an elevenish-hour), her training involves 30-40 mile weekly tempo runs and 800m/400m/200m repeats/ladders on the track, working to 6:00-pace and faster. I'd say none of that falls into the "jogging" category.
I am a runner and I do not hate ultra runners.
I am thinking ultra runners are pretty tough mentally.
Ultrarunning do lack depth. Example, the Western States 100 is not a "real" international event like they make it seem. Jurek has won against "only" u.s. runners. Most of them in their 40's. Jurek won badwater with 87 "runners", come on. Hardrock is more of an adveture race than anything else.
Ultrarunning do lack depth. Example, the Western States 100 is not a "real" international event like they make it seem. Jurek has won against "only" u.s. runners. Most of them in their 40's. Jurek won badwater with 87 "runners", come on. Hardrock is more of an adveture race than anything else.
marathon jukie is on endorphin wrote:
Ultrarunning do lack depth. Example, the Western States 100 is not a "real" international event like they make it seem. Jurek has won against "only" u.s. runners. Most of them in their 40's. Jurek won badwater with 87 "runners", come on. Hardrock is more of an adveture race than anything else.
I AGREE 100%
You just made the case for why I personally do not like ultras. I have absolutely no respect for a 9:00 min. a mile pace for 100 miles. That means nothing to me and I understand pacing and distance. You stated that pace like it is an impressive accomplishment of some kind. Give me a 4:50-55 mile pace over 26.2. I may be able to put in enough training to run 9:00 pace for 100 miles but no training in the world will get me to run even a 5k at 4:55 pace. That's the problem with ultras. Something about the fact that most any 19:00 5k runner could train for the ultra if they had the desire, time, durability but the ultra runner is never going 2:05 in the marathon.
Joker wrote:
You just made the case for why I personally do not like ultras. I have absolutely no respect for a 9:00 min. a mile pace for 100 miles. That means nothing to me and I understand pacing and distance. You stated that pace like it is an impressive accomplishment of some kind. Give me a 4:50-55 mile pace over 26.2. I may be able to put in enough training to run 9:00 pace for 100 miles but no training in the world will get me to run even a 5k at 4:55 pace. That's the problem with ultras. Something about the fact that most any 19:00 5k runner could train for the ultra if they had the desire, time, durability but the ultra runner is never going 2:05 in the marathon.
Well said.
marathon jukie is on endorphin wrote:
Ultrarunning do lack depth. Example, the Western States 100 is not a "real" international event like they make it seem. Jurek has won against "only" u.s. runners....
Suggest you check the Western States results, maybe look at the countries involved. Of course, now you can revert to, "Well, it's only a few of them."
Ignorance is a wonderful shield.
On one thread the dreaded foreigners are to be stoned and ran out of town, on another they are a reason to invalidate a reace.
"... I have absolutely no respect for a 9:00 min. a mile pace for 100 miles. That means nothing to me and I understand pacing and distance. You stated that pace like it is an impressive accomplishment of some kind. Give me a 4:50-55 mile pace over 26.2. I may be able to put in enough training to run 9:00 pace for 100 miles..."
No, actually you have no idea of the difficulty involved mentally and physically or you wouldn't make such a groundless statement.
The sheer mindlessness of thinking marathon effort extends to all distances while accepting a slow down for all other distance extensions, i.e., 5k to 10k, 10k to marathon, is beyond explanation.
Duh, once you pass 10k the pace stays the same for all distances--
oops, once you pass the half-marathon, the pace stays the same for all distances,
oops, once you pass the marathon, the pace stays the same for all distances,
oops, once you pass the 50k,...
I am not an ultra runner, in fact, I have never really thought about how I feel about them until now.
From reading this thread, the people bashing ultra runners sound like morons. You don't respect a 9:00 minute mile?
WTF?
I don't respect a 4:50 mile by itself, but if it is run over 26.2 miles I respect the hell out of it.
Same goes for the ultras. It is all relative.
True, the comp. is not as deep as the 26.2, but that is because it simply is not easy enough for Joe Scmoe to do it, in fact, it is not easy enough for me to do it, and I can run a sub 2:25 marathon. Nothing I am bragging about, but just to show you I am not a fat slob.
Get over your insecurities. Ultra running is not bad if it is actually run. Back-o-Packers are a different story. I respect Jurek and his likes, I do not respect the people who walk the whole way and eat pizzas like Dean-o.
Ultra running has been clouded by that wacko, and people think it is stupid now, oh well. If we are talking straight running race over 100 miles, I am respectful. If we are talking about Dean-o and his antics, I think it is stupid as hell.
Erbli wrote:
marathon jukie is on endorphin wrote:Ultrarunning do lack depth. Example, the Western States 100 is not a "real" international event like they make it seem. Jurek has won against "only" u.s. runners....
Suggest you check the Western States results, maybe look at the countries involved. Of course, now you can revert to, "Well, it's only a few of them."
Ignorance is a wonderful shield.
On one thread the dreaded foreigners are to be stoned and ran out of town, on another they are a reason to invalidate a reace.
The people from those nations are not competitve enough to attribute Jurek the status he desires. If there was ultarunners of the caliber say of Bekele, Gebreselassie, Tergat, KK, etc. then it would be different. I think many ultarunners are just insecure to the fact they could never break 2:30 in a the marathon and need more distance to prove a point. Maybe. But to say that the Western States 100 is a internationally competitive race like Boston or the Olympics is ridiculous. Most people are there to say they "ran" 100 miles.
The judgment of "quality" running is totally relative. You may respect a 2:05 road marathoner more because that is the type of run you value, but the longer races can't be judged the same way. There are qualities to the longer trail races that challenge a person in a way that a relatively short road marathon cannot. On the other hand, there are elements of the road marathon that challenge a person in a way that a 100-mile trail race cannot. They both have exciting qualities, but to dismiss ultrarunning as less-worthy for some reason is really close-minded and naive. Remember it's all relative. To Tergat, Bikele, El-G, and the like, we are all "joggers"...
Also, 99.9% of the people who run ultras, are not out to "prove" something to anyone else but themselves, so what do you care? Of course if any of the great road marathoners wanted to step up and run 50's or 100's or 100ks they could be great, we all know that so don't sweat that point.
Why don't some of you "studs" move up? After all, it seems like there are opportunities for sponsors and prize money for "jogging" long distances at slow paces and most of you are pissed that Nike hasn't started sending you free shoes and cash after your awesome 15:30 5K last week.
It's really easy right? There must be at least 50 of you that can beat Jurek at Western States. I bet the RD would even comp your entry and let you out of the qualifier requirements based on your talents. Whaddya say "real runners"? Make it happen!
Awesome. Most of them would run 7:30's for an admirable four hours and then crumble as their bodies took on a new form that their fifteen-mile "long" run had never before showed them.
You see I have met Jurek, Torrence, Mackey etc. Jurek thinks that Western States is a competitive as the Olympics. The only reason Jurek wins is because the competition is so shallow. Give me a break with Pam Reed's so called world record of "running" 300 miles!!! Come on! You call that running? I was there and saw her. When did shuffling become running? I have ran a 2:28 marathon and I have done a few ultras. Give me some time and I'll beat jurek at Western States when returns in 2007. He's not that fast, really. The guy is not that good. I good ulrarunner was Mike Morton who holds the Western States record of 15:40 not the modified easier course of 15:36, and besides, how long did it take to jurek break 16 hours? Like 6 years! Morton did like in his 2 try.
DoubleJ wrote:
Also, 99.9% of the people who run ultras, are not out to "prove" something to anyone else but themselves, so what do you care? Of course if any of the great road marathoners wanted to step up and run 50's or 100's or 100ks they could be great, we all know that so don't sweat that point.
So yes, they are out there to prove something either to themselves or to someone else but they are out there to prove something. It is funny that when Uli won the the 2003 white river 50 mile he smashed the record...Jurek, Torrence, Karl Anderson, Mackey, Koerner were all there. Uli is or was a road marathoner and look what he did when he moved up against a field that specializes in trail ultras.
Nice.