Katir is the most obvious doper of all time

flyoverstaterunner wrote:

maaaaaybe... wrote:

Man Spain has been like a paradise for doping for a long time. It hasn t been like that last years though; and our results in track n field show it.

Anyone who follows cycling knows this. Spanish anti-doping is a joke. Of course a 6'1" cyclist (Indurain) climbed with the all the best little horse jockeys that normally make good climbers. Not to mention that I think Operation Puerto from like 2006 is still not closed and there may still be non-cyclist blood bags that haven't been revealed. The only Spanish known positives came from police raids and prosecutions; doping authorities were doing NOTHING.

^^^All this. And the whole Aden hotel thing, whatever happened to that?

Still, I'm not going to prejudge Katir. Innocent until not innocent.

He's the 2021 Makhloufi. Could be fun. Maybe we get a 2021 JAKIR chiming in.

4hw45h wrote:

ahhh the "maghrebs"... Even though he is Spanish.

And yes, nothing in Norwegian skiing makes anyone suspicious.

I'll have to double check with my totally spanish friend, Zouhair, when he comes back from the mosque.

And if you feel intimidated by the muscles of a cross country skier, that's a 'you' problem.

Cole Hocker is the most obvious dopes of all time. 3:50 off his 30 mile a week training he was bragging about? What was his high school PR? 4:09? Sounds suspicious.

How do you like it?

Once again, he’s 19. It’s much more normal to drop huge chunks at 17->19 than 21->23. And he ran 3:35, not 3:29. Hocker is also not from a country with a long history of EPOers like Morocco and Spain. Keep up.

4hw45h wrote:

Jakob went from 3:39 to 3:31 at the age of 17.

Oh but he is white, sorry.

And then "he was maturing", etc.

White = Clean for most Letsrun posters and Katir doesn't even have a white name. So he can't be clean.

Don't do this. Jakob was capable of running better than 3.39 that year. And the same might be true for Katir. I have seen absolutely no shrink of evidence that he is using PED. Katir ran well even in January. If you had written: Stop the speculations, I would have supported you. You are also breaking the rules of logic. Using an Ad Hominem Fallacy.

Poltergeist wrote:

Once again, he’s 19. It’s much more normal to drop huge chunks at 17->19 than 21->23. And he ran 3:35, not 3:29. Hocker is also not from a country with a long history of EPOers like Morocco and Spain. Keep up.

He is 20. And you are also breaking the rules of logic. This time an Association Fallacy. What is going on with you people?

three stripes wrote:

Literally no one knew this dudes name before indoors and he just ran 3:28. Lol.

Good point but had you ever heard of the Australian Jye Edwards before this year? He was 12th in the same race. Before this season his personal best was 3:40 as an 18 year old 5 years ago and this season he has run 3:33 for 1500m and 3:49 for the mile.

Now I know 3:28 is in a different stratosphere but there are exceptions with all athletes. Maybe training at altitude, staying injury free, training and racing in super shoes.

Lets hope for our sport that he isn't doping.

Why did you just decide it's possible to make a big improvement at the age of 17 but absolutely impossible at 22? Do you know how Katir changed his trainings over these years? What changes have taken place in his body? Do you know it's possible for men to grow up at 22?

And what about Jacob's improving in the 5K at the age of 20? Or maybe Frerichs improving in the steeple at 24?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Huh? Katir won’t be in the race. Tim maybe not as well. McSweyn can’t kick, Marcin, Tefera and Simotwo looked decent but 3:30 in a drag race isn’t that scary…if any of those guys kicked to a 3:29 it’s different. Bleh from Edwards and Filip. This race was not bad news for the Americans besides Tim’s potential presence.

Bleh from Filip, after he has been sick for several months? He is starting his 1500-training now. Maybe too late, maybe not. I think you are underestimating how difficult it is to run 3.30, dragrace or not. Some Americans have tried the last several years.

Concupiscurd wrote:

What's wrong with you? You don't see a difference between someone improving at 17 and someone else improving at 21 or 22? Anyway I actually think Jakob is a prime candidate to be doping esp. with the history Norway has with cross-country skiing. I want Katir to be clean because I like him but the Spanish also don't have the best reputation for doping.

Why did you just decide it's possible to make a big improvement at the age of 17 but absolutely impossible at 22? Do you know how Katir changed his trainings over these years? What changes have taken place in his body? Do you know it's possible for men to grow up at 22?

And what about Jacob's improving in the 5K at the age of 20? Or maybe Frerichs improving in the steeple at 24?

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

I'm mad because I was gonna bet a large sum on him to medal at 5k cuz I know he's doping but now his odds will go down and he's no longer under the radar. He revealed himself.

حساد

I see that my predictions were right about Mohammed Katir.

You Moroccan belongs to a higher middle distance ethny.

Do you know that the "Algerian" Alain Mimou won in himself half of the European Cross Country?

(while running for France)

And that the two first African that won international cross country were Moroccan (1960 & 1966)

Followed by the Tunisian Gammoudi.

Ethiopian and Kenyan Started to win Cross Country only in 1982.

North African can highly challenge East African and they proved it.

macacobot3000 wrote:

I agree that a substantial amount of Jakob fans may have a racial bias, but we should be skeptical of Katir since he’s running at the highest levels and runs for Spain, a country with a long history of doping and we should be skeptical of Jakob who has a dad that is abscessed with blood levels and he’s from Scandinavia a region infamous for developing and using blood doping in multiple sports. We should ideally be skeptical of both runners for running super human times that confirmed dopers have run and both are from countries or regions who have a history of doping.

Basically you should be skeptical of EVERYONE. Or just don’t take it that serious and just be entertained.

I wish agents for literally every athlete who runs a good time would sue this site for the constant libel thrown around

three stripes wrote:

Literally no one knew this dudes name before indoors and he just ran 3:28. Lol.

3:36 to 3:28

13:50 to 12:50

Nothing to see here. And in Asics flats, no less.

Rashid Ramzi: 3:39.30, a year later runs 3:30.25 at almost age 24. 4.1% improvement

Fermin Cacho: 3:44 to 3:36, 3.5% improvement at age 20

Mohamed Katir, 3:52.79 to 3:40.84 in one year at age 20 5.1% improvement.

He improved 3.6% from his previous 1500m best in the last year, at age 23.

Make of this what you will.

KaareV wrote:

Bleh from Filip, after he has been sick for several months? He is starting his 1500-training now. Maybe too late, maybe not. I think you are underestimating how difficult it is to run 3.30, dragrace or not. Some Americans have tried the last several years.

That’s pretty late man. After he ran 7:34.0 I’m expecting a competitive performance in the 3:31 range. 3:30 isn’t easy to run but in Monaco it’s not that crazy with the new spikes and new track. Simotwo, George Manangoi, Tefera, world beaters they are not.

Katir got my attention when he ran a 5000m a couple of months ago. I was suspicious then, not because it was a really fast time, but he was just very strong in the back half and was relatively unknown. This 1500m confirmed my suspicions. However, I am suspicious of all the guys running under 3:30. When someone comes along to join the elite group the question always comes up, 'he must be doping?'. Yes, he probably is, but he's in good company. It's sad for those that don't and won't dope whose talent is under appreciated because of dopers.

Womans 1500m is the same Hassan and Kipyegon miles ahead of everyone else on rocket fuel.

Typically, people spewing out accusations of racism are racists themselves. Stop projecting all your hatred.

Colin Montgomerie put his penis in an exhaust pipe wrote:

It doesn't mean that fast runners from these countries - such as Katir and Centrowitz - are automatically suspect.

But, sadly, there is always that nagging thought.

The difference between Katir and Centrowitz is Centro was a child prodigy who went up the ranks naturally. He was the son of an Olympian and a teen phenomb= who had great college success before pro success.