HE'S BACK. Timothy Cheruiyot 3:28.28 FTW. Spanish and Aussie records fall!!!

Trond Gudmundsson wrote:

1 CHERUIYOT Timothy KEN 3:28.28 WL PB

2 KATIR Mohamed ESP 3:28.76 NR PB

3 INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob NOR 3:29.25 SB

4 McSWEYN Stewart AUS 3:29.51 AR PB

5 SIMOTWO Charles Cheboi KEN 3:30.30 PB

6 LEWANDOWSKI Marcin POL 3:30.42 NR PB

7 TEFERA Samuel ETH 3:30.71 PB

8 HABZ Azeddine FRA 3:31.74 PB

9 NBERET Melese ETH 3:31.82 PB

10 INGEBRIGTSEN Filip NOR 3:32.23 SB

11 MISCHLER Baptiste FRA 3:32.42 PB

12 EDWARDS Jye AUS 3:33.23 PB

13 MUSAB Adam Ali QAT 3:35.57

Add 2-3 seconds for the 1m short lane one track. I posted 4 days ago with proof its 1m short and my comment got deleted. So 3:30-3:31

At least super sus Katir won't be running the 1500 in Tokyo.

Great to see Tim back in splendid shape, 3:28 low after having to do all the job from 800 in is no joke. Jakob will surely be better than today in Tokyo, considering the illness. 3:29 low looking kinda off in his actions the whole race is still promising. McSweyn 3:29 was the real sensation, looking better than ever and that's including having to shove Katir in front of himself with 180 to go, probably cost him .5 as someone wrote. Lewandowski 3:30 NR great as always. Have to think that the brits would have been around McSweyn-range.

dullard wrote:

At least super sus Katir won't be running the 1500 in Tokyo.

We can just hope he gets busted in the next 12 months, as surely he will be in the 1500 at the WC next year.

Ernest wrote:

Some might argue this as evidence:

2021 3:28.76 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021

2020 3:36.59 Castellón (ESP) 24 AUG 2020

2019 3:37.20 Castellón (ESP) 23 JUL 2019

2018 3:40.84 Castellón (ESP) 26 JUN 2018

koyPond wrote:

Oh my sweet naive child.

Some might even argue this as evidence.

Stewart McSweyn

2017: 3,41.83

2018: 3.34.82

2019: 3.31.81

In two years down: 10 sek 02, and then another 2 sek 30.

Katir in two years down: 8 sek 44.

Noen of these are evidences. Just a lot of speculations here. A nice hobby, though.

Some might even argue this as evidence.

Stewart McSweyn

2017: 3,41.83

2018: 3.34.82

2019: 3.31.81

In two years down: 10 sek 02, and then another 2 sek 30.

Katir in two years down: 8 sek 44.

None of these are evidences. Just a lot of speculations here. A nice hobby, though.[/quote]

Sorry, McSweyn 3.41.31 in 2017. Only down 9 sek 50.

Nobody would argue that as evidence except a doping apologist fool like you.

McSweyn was a 5000m runner and had never ran the 1500m before 2017.

McSewyn also ran a 3:55 mile in 2017. His progressions for his other events are normal too. He didn't suddenly drop 8 seconds in the 1500 and a minute in the 5000 in one year at 23 like Katir has done.

KaareV wrote:

Some might even argue this as evidence.

Stewart McSweyn

2017: 3,41.83

2018: 3.34.82

2019: 3.31.81

In two years down: 10 sek 02, and then another 2 sek 30.

Katir in two years down: 8 sek 44.

None of these are evidences. Just a lot of speculations here. A nice hobby, though.

Sorry, McSweyn 3.41.31 in 2017. Only down 9 sek 50.[/quote]

3:41 to 3:31 in two years -> Impressive but human

3:36 to 2:28 in one year -> Never seen before

It seems to me like Katir is holding back his true potential, and that there is a lot left in the tank crossing the finish line. In Florence he is running solo for the last 2500m in 2:30 in order to record 12:50 for the 5k, and smiling and having a good time after crossing the line. In Monaco he is way back working his way up in lane 2 to accelerate and kick once again in a state wanting to smalltalk and have fun crossing the finish line. His stride is short with high frequency common to long distance runners of the 5k, and not the idea I had of a new world record holder in the 1500m.

I thought Jakob was a phenomenon but his achievements are nothing compared to what Katir is about to display this year. New WRs in 1500m, mile, 3000m and 10k are looming, and he is probably capable of running the 10k too at impressive speed.

I agree to the logic that impressive times are not proof of doping.

Number 12 wrote:

Nobody would argue that as evidence except a doping apologist fool like you.

McSweyn was a 5000m runner and had never ran the 1500m before 2017.

KaareV a doping apologist?

Yoh are a fool and an imbecile.

McSweyn is as suspicous as Katir, that is, as much as any fast improving young athlete.

Do everyone a favor and never post here again.

Every guy except one in that race ran faster than Dingles' top US time of this year. Why don't you all just accuse them all of doping? You all have micro managed these times and time frames to the point where one year and a few seconds difference from runner to runner is proof. Humans are not linear and will improve (or regress) at different margins. And this criticism from a country where the top two running groups have been suspect.

THE RACE WAS SETUP TO RUN FAST TIMES. Monaco always does. These guys are the best in the world. What did you expect, a wimpy 3:35 US race? And this race was still 5 seconds off the WR.

Wasn't the Portland Track Festival a setup race? Didn't Hocker run a time he has not approached since in a setup race? That's what setup races are supposed to do, give runners a chance to knock off fast times. Just because US setup races can't measure up doesn't mean everyone else is doping.

Americans can't stand to think they might not be the best at something. Look to the cookie when a high school runner has one of the top times in the US. Maybe if these guys showed up at an international race like Americans used to do in the 80's we'd see times dropping in huge chunks too.

I'm really starting to hope they get skunked in Tokyo so I can learn new excuses.

Watching these top guys running these days feels like a tour of a pharmaceutical factory.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Watching these top guys running these days feels like a tour of a pharmaceutical factory.

What is so odd about watching runners today run times that have been run since 35 years ago? Do we expect them to get worse? Just don't understand this.

Ironically the man who set the WR (3:29.67) on July 16, 1985, almost 36 years ago to the day...Steve Cram ("it up your cram hole, Lafleur") did the color commentary on the race yesterday. They didn't run much faster than he did.

The Original Rastus wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Watching these top guys running these days feels like a tour of a pharmaceutical factory.

What is so odd about watching runners today run times that have been run since 35 years ago? Do we expect them to get worse? Just don't understand this.

These times weren't being run 35 years ago. You didn't have a bunch of guys running 3.28-29, let alone in one race. The wr was still around 3.30 and very few were anywhere near that.

But it isn't just the 1500. This has been a year of ridiculously fast times in every event - men's and women's - while leading up to the Olympics. Too good to be true. Especially after a period of reduced testing over the pandemic.

The Original Rastus wrote:

Ironically the man who set the WR (3:29.67) on July 16, 1985, almost 36 years ago to the day...Steve Cram ("it up your cram hole, Lafleur") did the color commentary on the race yesterday. They didn't run much faster than he did.

Cram's wr was a stand-out performance by a stand-out runner. Nobody except Aouita was anywhere near his level then. The 90's, with El G, Ngeny and Lagat, went in the since untouchable region of 3.26. There was no test for EPO. But, today, runners are churning out 3.28-29 like it used to be for 3.36-38. It isn't superior training that is doing this. Track is just another dirty sport, like the Tour de France.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Original Rastus wrote:

What is so odd about watching runners today run times that have been run since 35 years ago? Do we expect them to get worse? Just don't understand this.

These times weren't being run 35 years ago. You didn't have a bunch of guys running 3.28-29, let alone in one race. The wr was still around 3.30 and very few were anywhere near that.

But it isn't just the 1500. This has been a year of ridiculously fast times in every event - men's and women's - while leading up to the Olympics. Too good to be true. Especially after a period of reduced testing over the pandemic.

Why not what many of the analysts believe...a full year of solid training.

"A bunch of guys"???? I counted all of four and two of them had done it before. And that field was loaded, it was essentially an Olympic final field so the absolute best in the entire world were there. Why would you expect a weak ass race?

Cram's record was broken a month later by Aouita. What do mean guys weren't running these times? Spivey ran 3:31 in 1988 and Scott ran 3:48 for the mile back in 1982. They're faster than anyone we have right now.

And you know why?

No designer shoes, no man buns, no fear of venturing from the rarefied air of Eugene to mix it up with the best in the world. These guys tested themselves consistently against the best and that's how they got faster.

Also, don't sleep on the super spikes and wavelight technology.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Original Rastus wrote:

Ironically the man who set the WR (3:29.67) on July 16, 1985, almost 36 years ago to the day...Steve Cram ("it up your cram hole, Lafleur") did the color commentary on the race yesterday. They didn't run much faster than he did.

Cram's wr was a stand-out performance by a stand-out runner. Nobody except Aouita was anywhere near his level then. The 90's, with El G, Ngeny and Lagat, went in the since untouchable region of 3.26. There was no test for EPO. But, today, runners are churning out 3.28-29 like it used to be for 3.36-38. It isn't superior training that is doing this. Track is just another dirty sport, like the Tour de France.

Coe still was.