The events are quite similar as far as anaerobic and aerobic demands; however, the mindset is the biggest challenge. Harold Schmidt did the best job as he ran sub 47.5 and sub 1:45. A few others showed sub 1:590 all the way to sub 1:47 and was world class hurdlers but I'm sure some of them just hated the 809m or feared to fully attack it like the did their ONE lap hurdles speciality.
8minpace wrote:
Bershawn “Batman” Jackson ran low-mid 1:50’s in some of his best years’ early-season races. But, then again, Curtis Beach could pop 1:47 while decathlon training, in his college days. I’d give him 1:50.
Side note: It’d be nice if 400 hurdles/400m/800m folks met more often for 600m races. Which 400h/400 folks could hold on for a 1:15point?
pretty much all of them would be close. plenty of 145 guys have split 116s. 500/600s are fun cause every know and then some misjudges it and you get some epic riggs.
LondonLocal wrote:
Thanks to the responses RE thoughts on Felix's 800 potential.
To the poster who suggested she would run 2:07, you're out of your f-ing mind...
Slower than Sinclair Johnson (US)?
Slower than Lyndsey Sharp (UK)?
Slower than Sage Hurta (US)?
Slower than Keely Small (Aus)?
Slower than Isabelle Boffey (UK)?
Slower than Rachel Schneider (US)?
The disrespect is insane.
Stfu, stop trying to highjack the thread with this nonsense.
I don’t think you can just look strictly at weight — Sure he’s lighter than other guys, but he really muscles through it as he runs. Benjamin looks more like a natural 800m type, fluid and effortless.
If those 20x2 min workouts are real, I can’t imagine 1:48 tomorrow would be much of a problem for him (with a good pacer).
Kasten reminds of a skinny Matt Scherer the former Rabbit from Oregon. Matt ran 1.46.11 . I think Kastern would be slightly faster Id go 1.45.8
Feel free to add to this quick list I put together 400H + 800 PR's= total time
Patryk Dobek 48.40 + 1:43.73 = 2:32.13
Harald Schmid 47.48 + 1:44.83 = 2:32.31
Brandon Johnson 48.59 + 1:43.84 = 2:32.43
Dave Patrick 47.75 + 1:44.70 = 2:32.45
Joey Woody 47.97 + 1:47.75i = 2:35.72
Félix Sánchez 47.25 + 1:48.99 = 2:36.24
Interesting that Schmid ran 1:44.8 in 1979 and again in 1987. Dave Patrick ran his 400H PR after his 800 PR.
NERunner0353 wrote:
With training, sub-1:45. Right now, sub-1:50. Who knows how fast he could go if he focused on it but it would probably take some time.
Yep - right now I reckon between 1.47-1.50. He would be doing sessions similar to ones 800m runners do (400 and 500m intervals), but lacking the longer 1500-3km work the 800m runners do. He could go out in 53 and finish a 2nd lap.
It'd be interesting to see, but unlikely to happen. If he did one, do it right at the start of the season, esp if he trains long to short.
I think he could run 1:48 after a couple tries, and probably 1:45 if he inexplicably shifted his focus to the 800 for the next 2-3 years. I think he has greater potential in the flat 400 - 44.00 perhaps? Anyway, Karsten, don’t quit your “day job”—a 46.70 WR and 7 of the top 15 performances all-time at age 25 means he’s in the right event.
LondonLocal wrote:
Thanks to the responses RE thoughts on Felix's 800 potential.
To the poster who suggested she would run 2:07, you're out of your f-ing mind...
Slower than Sinclair Johnson (US)?
Slower than Lyndsey Sharp (UK)?
Slower than Sage Hurta (US)?
Slower than Keely Small (Aus)?
Slower than Isabelle Boffey (UK)?
Slower than Rachel Schneider (US)?
The disrespect is insane.
I want to address this briefly as well. I believe Felix’s 800 would be closer to 2:07 then you’d like to believe. Sinclaire Johnson has run 1:59.9, and I absolutely do not believe Felix could run sub-2. She is a sprinter, in the way that Michael Norman, Michael Johnson, Wayde Van Niekerk, and Fred Kerley are sprinters, strong from 100 through 400, but you wouldn’t expect them to run 1:45–and you can’t expect Felix to run 1:59. Maybe if she’d focused on it to the detriment of her career she’d have managed 2:01-2:03.x, but if she raced the event tomorrow I would be surprised by sub-2:05.
17 year old Warholm ran 400m in 48 and 1000m in 2:45.
18 and 19 year old Warholm ran 400m in 46 and 1500m in 4:52 and 4:45.
So yeah, he's that sprinter guy, that can only jog anything that's over 400m.
Could ask the same kind of question for any 400 meter runner. Basically the only one who was succesful doubling was Juantorena. He ran low 44 for the 400 and 1.43.5 for the 800.
Nothing to indicate that Warholm could do 1.42 or below 1.50 for that matter.
If you asked him to run one right now, I think he'd go 1:52 low with splits of 56 mid and 55 high. He's not going to go beast mode on the race when not even he knows what he can run competitively. Give him a full year, and he'll get his PB down to 1:43 low with 51 high and 51 mid splits.