JBaller33 wrote:
SleepingFireman wrote:
This
The battle is between the Kenyans, Brits and a certain Norwegian.
A 3:35 guy will do ok to make the final.
Remind me again which country has the reigning gold medalist?
What has a 2016 race that you can see high schoolers run the same time as have anything to do with this years olympics stop holding onto centros 2016 gold and wake up and face the facts
Will never understand people hating on their own country’s athletes like this, especially someone as young and exciting as hocker. Sure he probably won’t place as high as Craig could’ve but why be so butthurt that you root against him?
Who is going to push the pace with Cheruiyot out?
AP5000 wrote:
That gear shift is meaningless when they drop him. Do you really think Jakob, who can at a minimum run 3:28, is going to run a slow race and risk get outkicked? Why would he do that when he knows for a fact he's a good 5 seconds faster than Hocker. He'll just run him into the ground.
Because he can run a fast race and have an even higher risk of getting outkicked, by Kerr instead of by Hocker.
Phil Ken Sebben wrote:
Who is going to push the pace with Cheruiyot out?
Exactly.
and ya,
you have multiple 1500 guys and 5000 guys that can close in 51.
this is new
and they do it off some kind of pace.
this is what you need in W champs.
they are training properly obviously.
like the bekele workout of 62 + 53 800 repeats.
guessing
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Moronic commentary. Hocker ran a 3:50 mile indoors which is worth a 3:33. He’s run back to back 3:35 races in championship races with 2 rounds in his legs. He’s at worst in 3:32.0 shape right now.
Yeah good point. When you run a 3:35 closing in 52 it means you’re capable of much faster than 3:35.
Hocker is like any American marathoner. People think they are fast because they beast other Americans, then you find out they're like 6 to 7 minutes slower than the Africans.
How can you possibly say he's in 332 shape when he just ran 335 in the most important race of his life, and he's never run 332 before?
AP5000 wrote:
How can you possibly say he's in 332 shape when he just ran 335 in the most important race of his life, and he's never run 332 before?
as I posted elsewhere, we have not seen him in a race that went thru 1200 in 2:50. Maybe he dies. Or maybe he runs the last 300 in 41. But I don't think 3:35 is as fast as he can go.
SleepingFireman wrote:
Ingebrigtsen and Kerr will eat Hocker's lunch. How the hell do you think a 3:35 guy is going to win the Olympics?!
Short memory, eh?
Potentially the same way that a 3:35.59 (1:46.66 PB) Peter Rono beat Peter Elliott (1:43/3:32) and Steve Cram (1:43/3:29) in the Seoul Olympics.
calm down pls wrote:
Did you already forget about his 3:50 indoor mile? He's probably in 3:32 1500 shape right now.
No, I didn't. I also remember Johny G's 3:49 indoor mile. So far, Johny G, hasn't gotten below 3:35.
I think he is faster than 335 but not 3 seconds faster. It's a big difference that people throw around like 3 seconds is easy. It can take a long time to drop 3 seconds in the 1500.
AP5000 wrote:
Hocker is like any American marathoner. People think they are fast because they beast other Americans, then you find out they're like 6 to 7 minutes slower than the Africans.
There are Africans that can run -2:35 in the 1500?
AP5000 wrote:
Right. The guy who can't even run the standard is suddenly going to win an Olympic gold medal over a guy who can run a 3:28 . Get serious.
A 3:35 guy beat a 3:29 guy in a pretty high-profile Olympics. Stranger things have happened.
Throw out PRs in a championship race. Do you think Leo Manzano was worrying about that in London.
Legends Never Die wrote:
couch bum wrote:
With Cheriyout not going, that totally changed the race, gotta think that Hocker is in with a chance to win the whole thing. Jakob seems like the class but I feel bullish on Hocker and Centro come Tokyo
As much as I'd love to see Hocker medal, it's going to be the Ingebrigtsen show. Jakob is on another level than Hocker currently and always seems to run well no matter whos in the race. His sub 12:50 5k shows he absolutely has the strength far and above anyone else in the 1500 this year. Would like to see a 1500-5k double out of Jakob. in 3 years from now, the oly 5k and 1500m will be insane, but nothing taking away from this years oly 1500m-5k.
I mean I think Jakob will win, but I think Hocker can definitely contend for a bronze or silver.
sad! wrote:
Will never understand people hating on their own country’s athletes like this, especially someone as young and exciting as hocker. Sure he probably won’t place as high as Craig could’ve but why be so butthurt that you root against him?
I like Hockers chances of placing high much more than Craig’s would’ve been. Craig can’t kick like Hocker.
It’s really refreshing to see Hocker on the start not looking like he’s on metabolism boosting, 5% bodyfat pills. To have someone you know isn’t even messing around with inhalers and other bs is really nice. If the man can save his energy and through the race and find himself in a smarter spot with 200 to go, he very well could be the best in the world.
Also, Hocker is only going to be fresher in Tokyo. He has been racing way more for way longer than the pros, and still pulled this off. Coach will know how to ease him off and sharpen him up.
I guess these collegians aren’t just THE SHOES
Which Olympics aren't high profile? Also there like dozens of guys who can run 330.