No. If you have watched Brazier through the years, you would know that he gets stressed which sometimes results in a poor race performance. Webb, Holman, Favor and others had the same problem. Give them a TT and they are always good.
No. If you have watched Brazier through the years, you would know that he gets stressed which sometimes results in a poor race performance. Webb, Holman, Favor and others had the same problem. Give them a TT and they are always good.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
T&F utility man (200-3000)m ... wrote:
What kind of hurt? Is Brazier physically capable of racing sub-40 300m after passing 1200m in 2:59 to 3:02? If you are implying Brazier is emotionally hurt, have you followed women U.S. swimming Olympic Trials? Simone Manuel took off three weeks from swimming for one reason or another this past April. Taking off three weeks so close to Olympic Trials diminished Manuel's cardio fitness. Simone Manuel, 100m freestyle world record holder did not even make U.S. Olympic Trials 100m freestyle final. Manuel had the gusto to make U.S. Olympic team, 50 metre freestyle. Now tell me, what kind of hurt is Brazier? If Brazier is emotionally hurt, he needs to see a sport psychologist ASAP.
Well NOW he’s probably emotionally hurt, but he’s clearly physically hurt. He doesn’t want to just say ‘I’m injured’ and sound like he’s making excuses. He’s said on a few different occasions that he’s been dealing with stuff, been beat up, etc. has looked bad all year. Form looks off. And he mentioned how he shouldn’t be in this position because he has the best strength coach and massage therapist etc. No, I don’t know the exact injury. But it sounds an awful lot like he’s hurt. We know brazier at 80% fitness makes this team. He’s not there. Hopefully he gets healthy quick now though that he doesn’t have to try to train through for the olympics.
If Brazier is physically hurt and under trained, Brazier would not have gone for it with Jewett, 75.xx or 76.xx through 600m. If Brazier were hurt, Brazier would have raced a cautious race. Brazier has never broken 75 for 600m outdoors. Maybe he just flew too close to the sun yesterday. There are guys intending to race 1500m who cannot race sub-77 600m under any condition. Brazier has that over the entire 1500m field. I think my comparison to Simone Manuel in 100m freestyle then responding in 50m freestyle is a legit comparison, don't you agree?
You know im right wrote:
Call me crazy but I dont think Donavan wanted to go to Tokyo. I have a feeling he did this on purpose. Again call me crazy if you want to
Okay.
You're crazy.
I'm not sure what sport you've been following, but Braziers response is the norm not the anomaly.
For every Mary Slaney there are at least 50 Donovan Braziers. When you fall down you get up and move forward.[/quote]
I have to say that I agree with you. Our sport offers some very positive roll models for young people.
It's sad that they aren't given the publicity they deserve.
T&F utility man (200-3000)m ... wrote:
Simone Manuel took off three weeks from swimming for one reason or another this past April. Taking off three weeks so close to Olympic Trials diminished Manuel's cardio fitness. Simone Manuel, 100m freestyle world record holder did not even make U.S. Olympic Trials 100m freestyle final. Manuel had the gusto to make U.S. Olympic team, 50 metre freestyle.
She has the American record in 100 free, but Sarah Sjostrom has the world record.
lara_croft wrote:
I just can’t believe that he’s no injured. There’s no way a healthy brazier can’t cover a move by Jewett
This.
He shut his season down earlier than usual this year.
Whatever he had, he is not over it. It was clear in the way he ran. He struggled all the way and over worked to get back in it.
Shame. But he will be back. Murphy had his injury period and look at him now. Look at the stuff he took from the crowd.
rojo wrote:
I've been watching the sport for a long time and seen very few people react to crushing disappointment in a good way.
Did you see Rupp after 2018 Chicago? Nothing but praise for Mo and Osako.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Tell me about your experience of "what a person in his position goes through at the moment". When was it a situation that you have been in? When were you a world champion, American record-holder and aspiring Olympic competitor?
I can see that those who are more intelligent than you - and there are many of us - would be scary to you.
Psychopathy is not intelligence, don't get those two confused.
"Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow affect, glibness, manipulation and callousness"
A person in Braziers position goes through an entire spectrum of strong negative experiences and emotions. Anxiety, shame, dissapointment, depression, discouragement, awkwardness only to name a few. It will be a while untill he will recover mentally, if at all.
While he lost an important race, running is not all that matters in life. In his overwhelming loss he found strength to compose himself and congratulate his opponents and give a sensible statement in front of a camera. That's a winner in my book.
As for you, dear Armstronglivs, it is extremely sad, that at your ripe age you write like a full blown psychopath. I hope your personal life differs from what you exude here.
rojo wrote:
I've been watching the sport for a long time and seen very few people react to crushing disappointment in a good way. I'm not sure if I've ever seen the reigning world champion fail to make the Olympic team so tonight's race must have been devastating.
But I do know if I've ever seen someone respond better to it.
If you want to see total class and learn how to react when you face a crushing setback, then please watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFYgUjXS7k&feature=youtu.bePS. He said he's probably not going to do the 1500. I hope he changes his mind. If he wants to focus on crushing the DL later this season, that's totally understandable as well. I hope he has an amazing showing in Eugene next year.
Total class. I hope Lebron James saw that. Donovan consoled Harris and shook Hoppels hand coming up from behind him as he sat on the track. I had tears in my eyes...that is how u be a good sport win lose or draw...Donovan will be back
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
T&F utility man (200-3000)m ... wrote:
Simone Manuel took off three weeks from swimming for one reason or another this past April. Taking off three weeks so close to Olympic Trials diminished Manuel's cardio fitness. Simone Manuel, 100m freestyle world record holder did not even make U.S. Olympic Trials 100m freestyle final. Manuel had the gusto to make U.S. Olympic team, 50 metre freestyle.
She has the American record in 100 free, but Sarah Sjostrom has the world record.
Bottom line, Brazier got knocked down. Brazier needs to get up off the canvass. Jewett, a legit sub-46 400m man, IMO would beat Brazier 9 out of 10 in 600m races. What occurred to Brazier last night is similar to what Taoufik Makhloufi did to Silas Kiplagat 2012 1500m final, 1200m to 1300m. S. Kiplagat wouldn't have finished so poorly if ... . Brazier used to be coached by Johnny Gray. Gray talked about taking his competitors to the Gray Zone. Jewett took Brazier to Gray Zone last night. Is Brazier going to quit because a 45.xx 400m guy took him to Gray Zone?
zxqy wrote:
Kudos to Brazier for talking to the press but in track we are generally very gentle with our athletes and their feelings. In most professional sports players are fined for refusing to talk to the media after losing a competition.
The 76ers were booed off the court yesterday by their home crowd and Ben Simmons had to come out and talk when people were accusing him of losing the series.
Tennis players are fined up to $20k for failing to meet a post match press conference obligation. Should there be a penalty for star track athletes?
So you want to boo and shout obscenities at Brazier? Just because other sports have fans that take their anger and frustrations out on the athletes doesn't mean track needs that.
Interesting.
Is it just me, or was it obvious even on the start line that Donavan was not right? He does a stretch at the start that looks like a guy nursing a pain.
He gives it his best go in the race, but his running body language shows a man compensating for pain, it shows in his stride as he runs.
Normally, Donavan Brazier could have covered Jewett's move from 400 to 600 well enough to qualify and win. After all, Jewett led the race most of the way and still hung on to take third. Brazier was able to draft when he was close enough so he was using less energy than Jewett. 50.6 is hardly fast enough to burn a healthy Brazier off, and the same thing with 1:16 600m. Of course, if Brazier was at less than 100%, the burst to catch Jewett--who was himself going at 25 for that 200--would have been enough to hurt him. I actually wonder whether COVID was a factor. If he had COVID, even if it was minor at the time, that could have harmed his lung capacity, and apparently just as many of the asymptomatic as the symptomatic and hospitalized have a recurrence of difficulties a month or more after getting over it the first time. It wouldn't take too much lung damage to hurt him in the end. And Brazier scratched American Track League Meet #2 due to COVID protocols.
This study had 32% of long-term COVID patients were asymptomatic individuals who had effects months later:
tursfxse wrote:
How bout that loooong pause while Rojo was typing. Really wanted to build up the suspense eh?
He was typing “ Donovan….. how do you know when a car battery is bad?”
After thinking about it, the question was changed.
rojo wrote:
I've been watching the sport for a long time and seen very few people react to crushing disappointment in a good way. I'm not sure if I've ever seen the reigning world champion fail to make the Olympic team so tonight's race must have been devastating.
But I do know if I've ever seen someone respond better to it.
If you want to see total class and learn how to react when you face a crushing setback, then please watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFYgUjXS7k&feature=youtu.bePS. He said he's probably not going to do the 1500. I hope he changes his mind. If he wants to focus on crushing the DL later this season, that's totally understandable as well. I hope he has an amazing showing in Eugene next year.
The contrast between Don and Clayton could not be crazier. I heard clayton complained about literally everything throughout the trials. Don just kept his head down and did what he could. Insiders knew what was going on with him and to see him still make the final off what little work he could do is the difference. Yes clayton ran well but I’m not sure if he medals. If he does I can see him winning if everything goes perfect but there’s something about that guy…
T&F utility:
Huh??
Purity wrote:
T&F utility:
Huh??
Do you baseball much? Utility infielder in baseball is usually not a starter, usually a pinch hitter who can fill in as 1st base, 2nd base, shortstop, 3rd base and catcher. In track & field terms, a gal or who can give you a relay leg in numerous events, or a thrower who can throw better than okay in all throws of maybe a hurdler who can hurdle both 110mH & 400mH better than okay.
good god stop it wrote:
rojo wrote:
I've been watching the sport for a long time and seen very few people react to crushing disappointment in a good way. I'm not sure if I've ever seen the reigning world champion fail to make the Olympic team so tonight's race must have been devastating.
But I do know if I've ever seen someone respond better to it.
If you want to see total class and learn how to react when you face a crushing setback, then please watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFYgUjXS7k&feature=youtu.bePS. He said he's probably not going to do the 1500. I hope he changes his mind. If he wants to focus on crushing the DL later this season, that's totally understandable as well. I hope he has an amazing showing in Eugene next year.
The contrast between Don and Clayton could not be crazier. I heard clayton complained about literally everything throughout the trials. Don just kept his head down and did what he could. Insiders knew what was going on with him and to see him still make the final off what little work he could do is the difference. Yes clayton ran well but I’m not sure if he medals. If he does I can see him winning if everything goes perfect but there’s something about that guy…
The contrast really isn’t all that “crazy”. Plus no one should be crying about the guy who went out there and ripped off everyone’s scalps. We should all celebrate the fact that we are sending some killers like Clayton and Jewett to the olympics who are starving for medals and who will happily go into the pain chamber when it most counts. Hurt/out of shape/psychologically unprepared athletes rightfully watch the games from home.
malmo wrote:
rojo wrote:
I've been watching the sport for a long time and seen very few people react to crushing disappointment in a good way. I'm not sure if I've ever seen the reigning world champion fail to make the Olympic team so tonight's race must have been devastating.
But I do know if I've ever seen someone respond better to it.
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I'm not sure what sport you've been following, but Braziers response is the norm not the anomaly.
For every Mary Slaney there are at least 50 Donovan Braziers. When you fall down you get up and move forward.
this is SPARTA
It’s been nice to see DB grow until the adult he has become before our eyes over the years. Seems like injuries and the pandemic derailed him. It’s hard to say he’ll be back, as the 800 is always stacked, but no one can take his worlds medal from him.
It’s interesting to see Clayton go around being all like I’m injured and still won!!! Also, his wife used to be cute but not anymore.