2:20 marathoner Jordan Hasay only runs 74:27 half marathon in Oregon

We're not going to call her a 2:20 marathoner when it was at "one shot wonder" in vaporflys right?

I mean are you comparing her to Deena's 2:19 at London in 15 year older shoes?

Deena was never able to produce 2:19 again but she ran several 2:21s after, Jordan has nothing else.

Not to give Hasay an excuse but some elites do their halfs without any taper and a long run an hour before to purposely race on dead legs as a marathon simulator. However if she was doing that I guess she would have explained it.

sushi wrote:

Said it was too cold at 43 degrees.

I love this. A "professional" athlete, who apparently has never run in 43deg weather before. How hard is it to wear a longer sleeve shirt, or tights etc. This happens quite often where athletes claim it's too cold, which I dont understand.

rojo wrote:

MVDP1 wrote:

My take: Given her recent posts in lifting PRs this just seems like a normal and totally solid "base training" race result. She got the strength, she got the stamina, but the race specific fitness and final pop is lacking a little bit. Which again, is totally fine since there is no major competition in sight.

What are you talking about? She's running the Valencia marathon next month - December 6th.

This race was a disaster. 74 minutes for a 2:20 marathoner is not good.

Particularly when the goal was 69 minutes.

https://twitter.com/slorgebutler/status/1325921652685725697

Now. I used to hate to workout in cold weather without tights. I doubt they'd have her do it if her other workouts didn't indicate good fitness but to run 25 seconds per mile off of her goal pace isn't a good result.

This is LRC 2020*

*Apologies if the above is intended as satire

altadude wrote:

43 degrees is not cold. I know it’s relative and whatever, but cmon. Frankly, it’s kinda ideal, IMHO.

I've run several marathons in 40-45 range. That is just about perfect if it's not raining. I've had trouble in the high 20's low 30's. Even if it was a little cold for Hasay ok, maybe a minute or so slower than ideal at that temp. But she is way off what she should be targetting, even if this was a train through half.

That being said couldn't be less sympathetic from a Salazaar disciple now coached by Paula EPO Radcliffe.

Yes this race was very slow, ~5:40 per mile, should have been 5:15s, not a good sign. Also the outfit was silly, a turtleneck top and half tights covering the upper leg muscles would have been the smart attire to wear with gloves and maybe a headband or hat. The additional clothing would not slow her down at all. I don't know who advised on running naked in that weather, especially someone with extremely low body fat.

rojo wrote:

MVDP1 wrote:

My take: Given her recent posts in lifting PRs this just seems like a normal and totally solid "base training" race result. She got the strength, she got the stamina, but the race specific fitness and final pop is lacking a little bit. Which again, is totally fine since there is no major competition in sight.

What are you talking about? She's running the Valencia marathon next month - December 6th.

This race was a disaster. 74 minutes for a 2:20 marathoner is not good.

Particularly when the goal was 69 minutes.

https://twitter.com/slorgebutler/status/1325921652685725697

Now. I used to hate to workout in cold weather without tights. I doubt they'd have her do it if her other workouts didn't indicate good fitness but to run 25 seconds per mile off of her goal pace isn't a good result.

Thank you Rejo. This race was a disaster. This girl lifts heavy weights way too much!

fasterrr wrote:

We're not going to call her a 2:20 marathoner when it was at "one shot wonder" in vaporflys right?

I mean are you comparing her to Deena's 2:19 at London in 15 year older shoes?

Deena was never able to produce 2:19 again but she ran several 2:21s after, Jordan has nothing else.

Not to give Hasay an excuse but some elites do their halfs without any taper and a long run an hour before to purposely race on dead legs as a marathon simulator. However if she was doing that I guess she would have explained it.

She needs an onsite coach. Not one that lives on the other side of the pond!

It's been over 3 years since her 2:20 and almost 3 years since she last broke 70 in the half. She does tend to do better the longer the race gets, so I could see her pulling off a 2:26-2:29 in Valencia. But its looking like that 2:20 could be an outlier.

pnw_runner wrote:

That's too bad, but at least it was (supposedly) due to poor choice in clothing and not an injury

It's not like the excuse can be proven, one way or the other, though it's certainly peculiar. Guess we'll find out the real story better by the finish at Valencia in a month.

Hasay did not exactly fit the bike she pre-rode the course on. Nike, and nearly everyone on this board does not know bikes, but I wouldn't discount that, in addition to the completely asinine clothing choice.

fasterrr wrote:

We're not going to call her a 2:20 marathoner when it was at "one shot wonder" in vaporflys right?

I mean are you comparing her to Deena's 2:19 at London in 15 year older shoes?

Deena was never able to produce 2:19 again but she ran several 2:21s after, Jordan has nothing else.

I know what you're saying and part of me agrees, yet even though it makes me wince when I consider it I still have to call Radcliffe a 2:15 marathoner, too. She did it while ostensibly conforming to the rules as they applied at the time. Regardless, I still consider Deena to be a vastly superior athlete to Hasay along with JBS, Shalane, and even Desi and Cragg. Probably a similar level to Sara Hall. Sure, Hasay ran one significantly fast performance and has been 3rd at 3 WMM races, yet for all that hasn't made an Olympic or WC team as a post-collegian. Way better than me or anyone I know, certainly, but even so definitely hasn't earned a top 5 all-time USA marathon ranking, arguably not even top 10.

Rb26run wrote:

Difficult to gain any knowledge about her fitness from this performance. She could run 2:20 or 2:30 in Valencia and neither result would surprise me. Hopefully it was just the conditions.

A lot of people on this thread are freaking out over nothing. So she had a tough run, who cares! She's 4 weeks out from Valencia and has plenty of time to sharpen up and be ready. She most likely came into the race still running high mileage and needed a good "Purge" effort to clean out her legs. She seems to be healthy and feeling o.k. which is the most important. I'm a bit surprised at her choice of apparel, it's not like she didn't know it was going to be 40 degrees. She should've been better prepared.

FYI-

40 degrees is NOT ideal for racing. Ideally, temps in the 50's to low 60's are preferred.

"Go Run One"

She is still young. She will get it figured out.

WOW she weared vaporfly's too!!! That means without Vaporfly (cheater shoe) that she is in 1:20-1:24 half shape! WOW!

Since the mods changed it and didn't acknowledge that they did, the original title for this thread was "Jordan Hasay running a half marathon in Eugene?"

I cannot tell the future, nor do I think the use of the word "only" is necessary is the new thread title.

"In fact, when researchers from the University of Tulsa examined the 25 fastest performances at different distances, along with the temperature that day, perfect running temps for hovered between 73.4 and 49.4 degrees. A comprehensive study out of France analyzing the collective finish times at six major marathons over 10 years also found that 44.2 degrees is ideal for women churning out the best performances."

I'm not sure if you have ever ran before? Everything you said is just wrong .

1) She was literally at the best possible temperate

2) running a HM four weeks out from your goal race 5 min off pace is the definition of "something" to worry about

What exactly does “clean out the legs mean”?

I’d run 1:14 about 4-5 weeks before a mid 2:30. The concern is that even if it was marathon pace (which wasn’t the intention), a 2:28 wouldn’t be moving in the right direction.

I commend her for being forthright about what the goal pace was supposed to be and not spinning it.

It's impossible to interpret this result without splits. If she never ran at her purported goal pace, it means something different than if she fell way off at some point in the latter half of the race. She obviously has run some tempos recently at the goal pace or she would not have attempted the half at that pace.

pnw_runner wrote:

Since the mods changed it and didn't acknowledge that they did, the original title for this thread was "Jordan Hasay running a half marathon in Eugene?"

I cannot tell the future, nor do I think the use of the word "only" is necessary is the new thread title.

Transparency is an issue here, but no disclaimers will be posted because it's unprincipled.