Very strong achievement.
Very strong achievement.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Yes he could lose the weight if he wanted to, by just less calories. Muscle takes calories to maintain. Losses are quick at first, then taper off.
But like me, no way he wants to lose weight to run faster. He is happy where he is, with what he can do. Same with Matt London and all bigger types. They worked hard to get to where they are, it is no accident.
Yeah, I’ve been 225 lbs. and not fat at all when I focused on strength training more, but I was much slower. Around 195-200 I can run much faster, jump higher, and any loss of functional strength is negligible. I only judge myself by performance, and I just look at the weight to see what kind of correlation there is. Based on the info. I’ve observed about myself, I’m tempted to allow myself to cut more weight. I think it will happen if I train for running more like I have been doing recently. Until I notice that I’ve lost any noticeable strength, I’m not worried. No one out-bodies me in the paint right now, and I intend to keep it that way. I’ll trade a rep or two on a major lift for noticeable improvement in speed and endurance though.
Not even close! no way in hell he could ever run 4 minutes,even with the right training.Hes strong,and supremely fit,but hes no middle distance runner.The way he was huffing and puffing around the track,struggling the whole way,its clear running isnt something hes suited to.Its only because of his sheer fitness that he broke 5 minutes.I think hed go ok at sprints,probably a 58 second 400,and 12.4 100,but even then im being optimistic.
Well someone 215 lb and that strong obviously has some potential to sprint fast, but he'd have to train specifically for that. 4 minute mile is ridiculous, it's too aerobically intensive.
Sapel wrote:
I think the point of this is that in speaking to Adam, he simply wouldn't be able to get down the 145lbs or so at his frame to even start an attempt at a sub-4:00 mile. The loss in weight would tremendously change his biomechanics. Right now he's forcing it. Great talent, but can't every single world class Cross-Fitter run a sub-5:00/mile? Also, high school coach, not sure of your personal PRs but I was a very, very good running in my high school and college years and did not sub-4:10. I think you're overestimating how "easy" it can be.
No alot of them can't break 1:00 in the 400.
The sheer amount of volume they do in everything per day doesn't really allow for any quality.
It's more quantity over quality with them, but that's their sport.
I haven't seen any crossfitter over the past 8 years post a sub 1:00 in the 400.
So yeah this 4:56 is rare. Most of the top crossfitters would struggle to run faster than 5:24. Most of them are at 175-205lbs.
Yet alot of them are too busy training to ever have time to run all out runs in the 400 or 1600 so we might not ever know just how fast they can go if they put their mind to it.
They should hold an all out 400 race during the games for time or an all out mile race during the crossfit games for time. Best time wins the event.
It has him listed at 6'0 and 215 lbs. If he was 215 on this day that he ran 4:56 then that's a really good time for that bodyweight.
We don't know his weight though during this. So what was his exact weight? Did he do a weigh in anywhere?
high school xc coach wrote:
Nutsack McGee wrote:
My bad. I copy and pasted the quote block of text and didn't change the name or proofread. I didn't read your side argument comments with the coach until now. I thought the coaches comments seemed overly dramatic, but you're taking this way too seriously.
i think this is fair. given the chance to do it over again, id revise my comment to this guy MIGHT have the potential to go sub 4. I don't see any possibility of him being anything worse than 4:20 potential, assuming he started at appropriate age, didn't have useless weight, was properly coached, and isn't injury prone.
You're over estimating this big time.
It's not just about weight. There's no ratio correlation to go by in determining how much weight he loses versus how much time it takes off of his mile.
Alot more factors go into it. Such as the quality of his training.
Even if he were on the best mile program out there I would have to say that if he reduced his bodyweight to around 169 lbs at 6'0 tall, he then would have potential to do about a 4:31 to 4:38 in the mile.
I don't see him going below 4:31 unless he were to get to 148 lbs which we all know he isn't going to get to. And even given the best situation such as being at 148 lbs and training for the mile, I would have to say that his absolute best potential time would be 4:21.
matt_london_413 wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
i think this is fair. given the chance to do it over again, id revise my comment to this guy MIGHT have the potential to go sub 4. I don't see any possibility of him being anything worse than 4:20 potential, assuming he started at appropriate age, didn't have useless weight, was properly coached, and isn't injury prone.
You're over estimating this big time.
It's not just about weight. There's no ratio correlation to go by in determining how much weight he loses versus how much time it takes off of his mile.
Alot more factors go into it. Such as the quality of his training.
Even if he were on the best mile program out there I would have to say that if he reduced his bodyweight to around 169 lbs at 6'0 tall, he then would have potential to do about a 4:31 to 4:38 in the mile.
I don't see him going below 4:31 unless he were to get to 148 lbs which we all know he isn't going to get to. And even given the best situation such as being at 148 lbs and training for the mile, I would have to say that his absolute best potential time would be 4:21.
well, i think you are underestimating, big time. so i guess we are at an impasse.
this fella has a 58 second 400 listed on his crossfit profile page, fwiw.
Sapel wrote:
Because there is a certain discipline and mindset to losing that much weight and remember, running fast is about power to weight ratios. Maybe he starves himself to lose all his muscle, but then he would never come close to a sub-5:00 mile let alone sub-4:00 mile. I would Subscribe to his channel to watch him get to 145lbs, just know this psychographic, I'm not sure it's even possible. Lots of mental games and discipline involved. Heck for me to hit my 126lbs racing weight from a walk around weight of 130lbs is legit, and we're not talking water weight. I would probably wage more money he can't lose the weight than him running sub-4, but then again i have not seen his channel and maybe he's the typical, "I was a loser skinny dork that couldn't play sports or get girls, so I started lifting weights and taking supplements" story. I actually like that he wore the Saucony Endorphin Pro orSpeeds and was influenced by Seth DeMoor!
You can just tell by watching him run that his bone size is too big to allow for that type of weight loss. He has bigger wrists, elbows, and shoulders than most. Look at his knees and hips.
His bone size alone would not allow for that type of weight loss. Even if he did everything right to get to the perfect running weight, there wouldn't be enough muscle per bone area to allow him to get anywhere near a 4:00 mile. He's just not cut out to be a miler.
But overall a really good athlete.
jeff tallon wrote:
Not even close! no way in hell he could ever run 4 minutes,even with the right training.Hes strong,and supremely fit,but hes no middle distance runner.The way he was huffing and puffing around the track,struggling the whole way,its clear running isnt something hes suited to.Its only because of his sheer fitness that he broke 5 minutes.I think hed go ok at sprints,probably a 58 second 400,and 12.4 100,but even then im being optimistic.
I agree with you on the mile.
I don't agree with you on the 400.
Seeing that he's more built to be a sprinter than a distance runner I would say he has potential to do 54.78 hand timed right now in the 400 at his current bodyweight of 215 if he is at 215. We don't know his current day to day bodyweight because I don't see it listed anywhere on his youtube or instagram.
If he wanted to go to 193 I would say he has potential to do 51.29 in the 400. But yet again timing the perfect training methods with race day is always tough to do. Among about a trillion other factors.
Lots of people have alot of potential to run faster but the wrong training always leads to slower times than what they really had in them.
If anyone knows this guy then tell him to see how fast he can do the 400 in. Switch it up. Don't just keep trying to do one event.
PTF wrote:
Very strong achievement.
He just told me on instagram that he's 6'0 and 216 right now.
So he was probably in the 214-217 range when he ran this.
Nutsack McGee wrote:
This is pretty absurd. Sub-4 is very rare. How many kids run a sub-4 mile each year? I just read that less than 1,500 people have ever run a sub-4 mile.
It is rare but not THAT rare. Currently, 560 Americans have ever run sub-4
https://trackandfieldnews.com/u-s-sub-400-milers-club-chronologically/Running and Lifting wrote:
Came across this video on youtube. Very Impressive , and just about the most legit way you can film yourself doing a time trial. Kinda ruins it by flopping around like an idiot at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2lLFWmQ2Y
Also this should give you all an indication of just how hard it is to run a 400 meter dash at heavy bodyweights.
I asked Klink on his instagram what his best 400 was and he said only 58. You would think that with a 500 lb squat he would easily be able to run 54 or better but he says he's not that fast in the sprints or 400.
Part of that is because he's training for the mile. But yet again if you're squatting over 500 you would think you would be able to run a decent 400 at his height and weight of 6'0 and 216.
Gives a whole new definition of just how hard it is to run a fast 400 while weighing over 200.
And makes my 53.44 in the 400 meter dash at 6'0 and 214 seem that much tougher.
It's not only about the squat. You have to have every single body part strong in order to do this. You have to leg curl alot, calve raise alot, side hip raise alot, inner thigh lift alot, reverse calve raise alot, bench alot, etc.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Yep, that’s great.
I ran a 4:58 while squatting 425. I think my max was around 455, I am sure that I could not have gotten 500.
Poor guy, he is good at multiple things and great at none. Welcome to the club?. No prize other than admiration from the rest of us in a similar situation. Heck, I’m down to 350 and MAYBE 5:00 if I’m lucky! Good for him??
What’s his 5k time??
Klink can't even break 58 seconds in the 400. This isn't impressive at all.
I called out Klink numerous times on instagram and he refuses to post a 400 meter dash time trial. And has actually told me that he can do no better than 58 in the 400. You have to break 58 at over 190lbs to call yourself an athlete.
He's just another so called hybrid athlete that has all 51 thousand of his instagram followers deluded into thinking that he's fit or something.
Unless Klink posts a sub 58 second 400 meter dash then he gets zero respect from me.