Okay so if he ran on the treadmill then it might be ~3% wrong so 17:00 and then no wind resistance and a perfect surface so probably a 17:20-17:30 effort outdoors.
I don't think this guy is lying facetiously like everyone else seems to think, I just think he doesn't know about running which isn't a crime.
He's run 5k in 16:34 as far as he knows.
ex-runner wrote:
Okay so if he ran on the treadmill then it might be ~3% wrong so 17:00 and then no wind resistance and a perfect surface so probably a 17:20-17:30 effort outdoors.
I don't think this guy is lying facetiously like everyone else seems to think, I just think he doesn't know about running which isn't a crime.
He's run 5k in 16:34 as far as he knows.
I don't think so. It is more about the rate of progress than the absolute times. He claims his first sub-7 minute mile was in December 2019.
What do think about the bodyweight?
toozy wrote:
This lad almost has a cult around him after posting a weight training routine which is now one of the most popular on the internet (nsuns 5/3/1). Normally I wouldn’t care, but this one is has me perplexed.
I've noticed a lot of people caught lying about their running ability are fitness "instructors" of some sort
Obvious load of crap
runnerPI wrote:
What do think about the bodyweight?
When we were discussing Chris Solinskys sub 27 10k one comment was that Chris had an absurdly high power to weight ration in that race.
I wonder how this compares?
Best I could come up with, say they are both 25. The age grading calculator (I didn't know what else to use to normalize the performance) is:
Solinsky: 97.44
Redditor: 76.19
Weight (lbs):
Solinsky: 165
Redditor: 196
Weight*Power
Solinsky: 16071
Reddittor: 15009
runnerPI wrote:
What do think about the bodyweight?
Much more believable than the rate of progress
I'm pretty into running power: a (sort-of) parallel to cycling power. I'll try and apply what I know.
Most people require roughly the same amount of energy (per kg) to run a given distance, neglecting the effect of air resistance. That's: energy = weight * a constant * distance.
The power a person requires is simply the rate they are using energy: power = energy / time
That means a runner's power = weight * a constant * distance / time.
All that to say, if we make some simplifying assumptions, a runner's power is proportional to their weight * speed. That's it. To compare the power (Watts) of two runners of different weights performing work over similar durations, take weight * speed or weight / pace. The comparison is less useful if the power outputs are sustained for different amounts of time.
shootpost wrote:
runnerPI wrote:
What do think about the bodyweight?
When we were discussing Chris Solinskys sub 27 10k one comment was that Chris had an absurdly high power to weight ration in that race.
I wonder how this compares?
Best I could come up with, say they are both 25. The age grading calculator (I didn't know what else to use to normalize the performance) is:
Solinsky: 97.44
Redditor: 76.19
Weight (lbs):
Solinsky: 165
Redditor: 196
Weight*Power
Solinsky: 16071
Reddittor: 15009
This guy is not 25. He said in his post that he is in his 30's
shootpost wrote:
runnerPI wrote:
What do think about the bodyweight?
When we were discussing Chris Solinskys sub 27 10k one comment was that Chris had an absurdly high power to weight ration in that race.
I wonder how this compares?
Best I could come up with, say they are both 25. The age grading calculator (I didn't know what else to use to normalize the performance) is:
Solinsky: 97.44
Redditor: 76.19
Weight (lbs):
Solinsky: 165
Redditor: 196
Weight*Power
Solinsky: 16071
Reddittor: 15009
Dude., I appreciate the data here, but Chris Solinsky did not run a 25 minute 5k a few months ago. This Redditor is a lying POS and we all know it. There is no way he knocked nearly 10 minutes off his 5k time by barely doing 50 mpw and no speedwork except a few fartleks.
And this running is supposed to be ALONGSIDE lifting crazy ass heavy weight at the same time?!?! GTFOH lying Redditor. He needs to be called out.
I am 35 and went to > 30 minutes to 16:40 in 5 months and 16:15 in 10 months.
Why is this so unbelievable? People get really out of shape and then they get in shape...
Rhodium Nights wrote:
shootpost wrote:
When we were discussing Chris Solinskys sub 27 10k one comment was that Chris had an absurdly high power to weight ration in that race.
I wonder how this compares?
Best I could come up with, say they are both 25. The age grading calculator (I didn't know what else to use to normalize the performance) is:
Solinsky: 97.44
Redditor: 76.19
Weight (lbs):
Solinsky: 165
Redditor: 196
Weight*Power
Solinsky: 16071
Reddittor: 15009
Dude., I appreciate the data here, but Chris Solinsky did not run a 25 minute 5k a few months ago. This Redditor is a lying POS and we all know it. There is no way he knocked nearly 10 minutes off his 5k time by barely doing 50 mpw and no speedwork except a few fartleks.
And this running is supposed to be ALONGSIDE lifting crazy ass heavy weight at the same time?!?! GTFOH lying Redditor. He needs to be called out.
I am being pedantic now. But Chris Solinsky probably at one point in his career went from a 25 minute 5k to 15 min. You know coming back from injury or break. Because he had years and years of base training.
This guy has no running background though.
highhoppingworm wrote:
I am 35 and went to > 30 minutes to 16:40 in 5 months and 16:15 in 10 months.
Why is this so unbelievable? People get really out of shape and then they get in shape...
Context is everything. If what you say is true, I bet it is also true that you had run near those times before, and were injured or similar.
This guy claims he could barely do an 11 minute mile, 260 pounds, and inside a year is running 4:55 mile and 16:30 5k and dead lifting 600 pounds. On minimal training, and still weighing near 200 pounds.
The proof will be in a legitimate race. If he never does one, that says enough.
Incorrect. This was after more than a decade of complete inactivity and significant weight gain. I was never a distance runner, I was a jumper (hence the name) and soccer player. I also ran that 16:40 at 190-195 pounds.
16:00-17:00 is not that fast in the road scheme of things for someone who is working reasonably hard at it and has some natural athletic talent.
He sounds like a genetic and workout freak like Matt London.
Oh Please wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
I am 35 and went to > 30 minutes to 16:40 in 5 months and 16:15 in 10 months.
Why is this so unbelievable? People get really out of shape and then they get in shape...
Context is everything. If what you say is true, I bet it is also true that you had run near those times before, and were injured or similar.
This guy claims he could barely do an 11 minute mile, 260 pounds, and inside a year is running 4:55 mile and 16:30 5k and dead lifting 600 pounds. On minimal training, and still weighing near 200 pounds.
The proof will be in a legitimate race. If he never does one, that says enough.
Worm is a good runner and I think you are right, he's probably talking about coming back from injury. This reddit dude is a completely different story.
The Reddit bro didn't even bother to fabricate or lie about a high volume training plan to make it sound believable. He literally claimed that he made all that progress with basically just 95% EASY running, no structured speedwork except a few fartleks, and 40 mpw. WHILE lifting absurd amounts of weight at the same time.
It's not even remotely true and unless he runs an actual race, he is a fraud.
It's the absurd progress that is the issue. The absurd progress while basically training like a powerlifter and throwing in some runs here and there.
I can buy the 6 plate deadlift and sub 5 mile.....if the dude had actually been training a while.
There's a guy online who does a lot of OCR races, powerlifting comps, bodybuilding and races. He has actual results. He pulled a 3xBW deadlift (450+ at 150bw) and ran a sub 3:00 marathon within the same year.
Guys like this reddit bro, Nick Bare and Alex V-we cant say his name or the Brojos get sued are social media salesmen and 'erbody gett'n some of that slippery snake oil.
Alan
I appreciate you saying that Rhodium but I am of completely average talent. I cannot speak to the veracity is this specific instance but it is entirely unsurprising to me to hear about someone with a significant amount of talent putting in very modest training and then running a 16:30.
highhoppingworm wrote:
I appreciate you saying that Rhodium but I am of completely average talent. I cannot speak to the veracity is this specific instance but it is entirely unsurprising to me to hear about someone with a significant amount of talent putting in very modest training and then running a 16:30.
:D You're probably a lot more talented than you think!!
I suppose it could be true. But keep in mind he claimed this magnificent improvement WHILE lifting bonkers amounts of weight AND losing over 60 lbs in just a few MONTHS?! It all seems too pie in the sky to me.
But hey, if he really did, more power to him.
The weightlifting is weird. That said extensive weight loss in a short period is both possible and can have major positive impacts on fitness. Here was my trajectory last year...
June, 10 2019: 240-245 lbs
End July 2019: 215 lbs
End August 2019: 200 lbs
End of September 2019: 195 lbs
End of October 2019: 190 lbs
End of 2019: 180 lbs
To me, the weight loss was integral to running faster so I see that part as lending more (not less) credibility to his story.
Reads like a new runner who is taking whatever their watch says as truth no matter what.
It is implied his running is done mainly on treadmill and an indoor track. If he is just taking the gps without calibrating it properly, it is going to read fast. Remember the Nick Bare video where he timetrialed a 5k on the track and then stopped several hundred meters short because his watch said 5.0 km? Same thing, but likely worse if the indoor track is smaller.