Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

As GP reports, in 2014 Nuland was a pretty busy lady in Ukraine, being witnessed passing out cakes to protesters in Kiev (now Kyiv), Ukraine. Just weeks afterward, the protests became violent and a number of Ukrainian citizens died during the riots which ensued.
GP reports that during this time, Nuland had a telephone conversation with another American, Jeffrey Pyatt, to discuss the events in Ukraine. Pyatt currently serves as U.S. Ambassador to Greece.
However between 2013-2016, he was serving as U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine. During that phone call, Nuland and Pyatt brought up two individuals…then national security adviser to the vice president, Jake Sullivan, and the vice president himself, Joe Biden.
The discussion between the two revolved around the State Department’s “pick” for prime minister of a so-called “unity government” in Ukraine.
One might ask, why was the United States involved in deciding who should be the “pick” for prime minister of a foreign country? That’s a great question.

According to GP, Joe Biden was intimately involved in the decision, since Obama had appointed him as the “point man” for Ukraine. Ironically at about the same time, Biden’s son Hunter Biden was appointed to the board at Burisma Energy Holdings, one of the largest such companies in Ukraine, despite having zero experience in the energy sector.
So in essence what occurred was that the former government of Ukraine was deposed, and the United States, with Biden at the helm, helped stage a coup and then pick the man they decided should lead Ukraine, not the duly elected head of the government.
In the leaked phone conversation between Nuland and Pyatt, the former expressed frustration with the European Union’s response to the situation then-occurring in Ukraine. Following is what Nuland said.
“So, that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the U.N. [United Nations] help glue it. And, you know, F$ck the EU.”

Continuing the conversation, Pyatt said:
“So let me work on Klitschko [former mayor of Kyiv] and if you can just keep…we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych [deposed Ukrainian president] but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.”
Nuland: “So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.”
Continuing the conversation:
Nuland: “Good. I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.”
Pyatt: “Yeah. I guess…in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I’m just thinking in terms of the process moving ahead and we want to keep the moderate Democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok and his guys…”
Nuland: “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the…what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I think Klitsch going in…he’s going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it’s just not gonna work.”
So in essence, what that conversation entailed was two top U.S. officials, including the highest-ranking U.S. official who ostensibly represented the Obama administration, and the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine were in essence plotting a coup d’état in a foreign country against a duly elected president.

What happened to the real Russian propaganda trolls that were posting here? Did they get sent to the front? Now, all we have is Carmine9, garden variety antisemite and tin-foil helmet wearing conspiracy theorist believer. Those real Russian propaganda guys, despite being blindingly and obviously biased, were pretty smart.

I’m glad Carmine9 recognizes that Einstein is one smart Jew though. That’s progress.

The usual logic and fact free screed we have come to expect from apologists for the apartheid state in response to facts and arguments that offend them but they cannot refute

Note the Pavlovian buzz words fed to him by the Deep State that he dutifully regurgitates.

Russian propaganda trolls;

Garden variety antisemite;

tinfoil hat wearing,

conspiracy theorist;

Have you no inkling that you are not thinking for yourself?

That you are not only repeating Deep state talking points but are using their words as well?

Ever intend to think for yourself?

Not sure why you needed 4 posts to make 0 new points. We've been over this. None of it shows that the US installed a new PM (your words), and we're all still waiting for you to show us where in the transcript there is proof that the US did so.

From the article that you plagiarized (err... sorry, copy and pasted without providing any reference)...

The US State Department had a "pick" for Prime Minister, where quotes are used around "pick" for some reason. Most likely, it's because "pick" is referring to "preference". And, none of it even begins to suggest *how* the US installed the PM.

Yesterday, you "picked" the Suns to win. Clearly, just because you "pick" something, doesn't mean it happens.

Let’s go ahead and call your last post Exhibit A in my case for accusing you as being a tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist.

Says the person who has posted multiple links in this thread with no commentary of your own, and then uses four consecutive posts to a video and three plagiarized sections of somebody else's analysis. Talk about being unable to think (for yourself)!

So, if you want to think for yourself, you can start by showing where in the Nuland transcript she installs a new PM and then end by answering a simple question: do you think Russia was right to invade Ukraine?

My god carmine, your trolling is becoming increasingly pathetic. At this point, you make the Russia navy look competent and they lost their flagship in a land invasion to a country without a navy!

Good thread on what is really Russia's motivation in Ukraine. I would also add that leading up to the Ukraine war, revolts in Belarus and Kazakhstan took place as those governments struggled with recovering from negative oil prices at the outset of the pandemic. Thus, Russia's "existential crisis" is not NATO or neo-Nazis. It is its ability to get its oil and gas to market via pipelines to the West.

https://twitter.com/Bryan_E_Parker/status/1525908598466879488

Hey, Adult. Is this a time when we trust the word of Putin or we think he is lying? You've often told us to believe Putin when he talks about NATO.

Now he's saying having Sweden and Finland in NATO is no biggie.

I just want your view on when we believe what putin says and when we should disregard it. You seem to have a straight line on Putin so help us out.

FT:

Vladimir Putin has signalled Russia could tolerate Finland and Sweden joining Nato but warned that the Kremlin would respond if the alliance installed military bases or equipment in either country.
Putin said on Monday that the proposed Nato enlargement posed “no direct threat for Russia”, according to the news agency Interfax. He added that he had “no problems” with either Finland or Sweden.
Speaking on a day that Sweden formally announced its membership application while acknowledging it would remain “vulnerable” before joining, the Russian president warned that “expanding military infrastructure on to this territory would provoke a response from us [ . . .] based on the threats they create for us”.
His comments appeared to indicate the Kremlin could live with Finnish and Swedish Nato membership provided the military alliance did not dispatch arms or troops to the two countries

Currently listening to a live stream of the AAU Meeting on the Future of Ukrainian Higher Education with President Zelensky. He's very impressive, and it just underscores how much of a loser Putin is. He's currently talking about how global universities can help by providing expertise in rebuilding Ukrainian education once Russia is defeated. The president of Ohio State University, "You can count on us."

Putin is such a turd, as are the LRC losers that support him.

remember, they are just being 'adult' and 'realistic' when saying we need to give putin what he wants.

Because you never shut up!!!

carmine9 is a joke

Not a mod

Check the numbers of your posts. You have more posts under your two usernames in the last year than anyone else. And it's all crap. Because you never shut up!!!

Carmine9 = Sally Vix

Classic Putin walking back his big treats

”I don’t mind if Finland and Sweden fook me in the arse as long as the use lube.

Next week, he will say I don’t mind if they don’t use lube if they pull out before coming.

In two weeks, it’s ok if the come in me if they give me a tissue.

We lost the paid Russians trolls, but they may return if St. Petersburg reassigns them back to LRC. We also lost the blame-America-first, America-hating American/Westerners, who could no longer keep up the charade that Russia was justified, morally correct and/or militarily successful in its invasion of Ukraine. We're stuck with low-end carmine9 now, and he just endlessly posts the same supply of irrelevant spam.

I don't think so.

Carmine9 = Klondike5 - The genius who predicted that the Dow would soon be down to 13,000. There is one of the longest threads in LRC history still going strong in testament to his stupidity.

Carmine can not keep his anti-semitism hidden for very long on any thread. It ALWAYS pops up sooner or later. I don't think that the Sally of the Official Trump/Official Biden threads shows the same anti-semitism.

Almost certainly these trolls are on the front now after a few weeks training. They're driving a poorly maintained tank and waiting for a UKR drone to blow them to kingdom to kingdom come as they retreat even further.

Honestly, P. Roy, this is kind of a dumb take. It's part of the "Putin the master strategist" line of thinking that's been so badly discredited since 2/24. All Putin had to do was sit on his hands for a while longer and he'd have the Nordstream II pipeline pushing Russian gas to Europe. He decided he'd rather have Ukraine. Now he gets neither because he is not in fact a strategic genius.