This is the dumbest of the current pro-Putin taking points. An escalation of the current conflict has two potential outcomes. Neither one is a "World War". Putin has no allies to join him in his conflict, so that leaves a NATO gangbang or nuclear strikes as possibilities. Both options end with a dead Vladimir Putin.
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If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression."
If you find yourself saying "pro Putin talking point" or calling someone comrade, you are passing on CIA propaganda. Not your own thoughts
And if you plagiarize somebody else’s work, it’s not your own thought.
Where did Nuland say the US was going to install the PM?
Apples and oranges. 2014 Ukraine had different leadership than they do now. Let's try to stick with current events. I mean 2014 was yesterday, and yesterday's gone.
You, it sounds believing in moving the needle backwards. Where most sane people are looking to move the needle forwards. Who wins this war God only knows. But it isn't looking good for Putin and his antiqued forces. Ukraine has damaged or sunk 12 or more naval vessels without having their own navy. Ukraine has shot down 200 Russian airplanes. And as of today 5/14/22 27,000+ Russian service men have made the ultimate sacrifice for Putins misadventures.
When this war is concluded, I hope you and your friends can accept defeat better than Trump and his followers did. For the record I more often than not vote republican. Except for the last 2 elections. Didn't vote for either candidates. Couldn't hold my nose and vote for any of those 3. Hope we get better choices in a few years, but it doesn't look promising.
The comment was about USA being deeply involved in the 2014 violent insurrection in Ukraine.
Focus.
And we’re still waiting for you to provide evidence.
Apples and oranges. 2014 Ukraine had different leadership than they do now. Let's try to stick with current events. I mean 2014 was yesterday, and yesterday's gone.
You, it sounds believing in moving the needle backwards. Where most sane people are looking to move the needle forwards. Who wins this war God only knows. But it isn't looking good for Putin and his antiqued forces. Ukraine has damaged or sunk 12 or more naval vessels without having their own navy. Ukraine has shot down 200 Russian airplanes. And as of today 5/14/22 27,000+ Russian service men have made the ultimate sacrifice for Putins misadventures.
When this war is concluded, I hope you and your friends can accept defeat better than Trump and his followers did. For the record I more often than not vote republican. Except for the last 2 elections. Didn't vote for either candidates. Couldn't hold my nose and vote for any of those 3. Hope we get better choices in a few years, but it doesn't look promising.
The comment was about USA being deeply involved in the 2014 violent insurrection in Ukraine.
Focus.
Ya, I get your point, however 2014 isn't 2022. I'm trying to focus on today and tomorrow
I did not assume Biden, Pelosi & Schumer would risk N.B.C. response as much as those three have risked N.B.C. response. Silly me. Our country is run by 80 something Pelosi and near 80-something Biden & Schumer. No one has stood up to the ultra seniors and told them not to risk WW3. You are mad at me for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer risking WW3 by risking N.B.C. response from Russia? You Ukrainian lovers need to get your priorities properly aligned. I still believe Zelenskyy resigning is good for the world. Putin is not going to stop unless someone makes him stop. You and Mr. Seattle think my statement is over the top the Zelensky must plant a Ukrainian flag in Moscow to win. Do all of you Ukrainian lovers admit that 99.9% percent of artillery and bombs are being dropped on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine must look like a Mad Max movie. Recall during the early days of WW2. Japan attacked U.S. territories and U.S. attacked attacked Japanese territories. Germany attacked England by air and attacked British ships. U.S. and England responded by bombing Germany. There is no back and forth. Only Ukraine is being bombed. Russia can bomb Ukraine every day.
If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression.
I’m glad you’re so selfish that you don’t think it’s worth defending Ukraine because there are risks involved. Fortunately, most of the country - including numerous politicians from both sides of the aisle - disagrees with you.
I have stated, I am a graduate of Forward Observer School. Disclosure, I never worked as a Forward Observer overseas. Make no mistake, Forward Observers are combatants. Forward Observers are not United Nations neutral observers. Forward Observers identify targets and specifically state exact coordinates of potential targets. Stating targets is an act of war. U.S. is not only providing arms. THE ONLY REASON Ukraine is doing as wells as they are doing is due to U.S. giving Ukraine exact coordinates of military targets. You idiot Ukraine fan boys do not realize Biden/Pelsoi/Schumer are risking WW3 by identifying Russian locations of tanks and other potential targets. Posters can refer to me in a negative light as much as you wish, U.S. is risking WW3 for Ukraine and deadenders on this thread do not care. Deadenders on this thread cheering for Ukraine are awful excuse for humans.
The comment was about USA being deeply involved in the 2014 violent insurrection in Ukraine.
Focus.
And we’re still waiting for you to provide evidence.
I'm sorry I kept you for waiting so long. Today is my birthday and I've been busy entertaining guests. And as this an auspicious day for me I've been a little too busy to reply. Sorry. Time will tell who wins this war. I'm not betting on an outcome. Too many people have already died to engage in such nonsense. However, I side with the side you're opposed to. Now we each know what side of the fence each other is standing on, don't we.
Now I'll tell you what's what. If you don't try make me believe you're, believes I'll return the favor. Ok?
If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression.
I’m glad you’re so selfish that you don’t think it’s worth defending Ukraine because there are risks involved. Fortunately, most of the country - including numerous politicians from both sides of the aisle - disagrees with you.
I have stated, I am a graduate of Forward Observer School. Disclosure, I never worked as a Forward Observer overseas. Make no mistake, Forward Observers are combatants. Forward Observers are not United Nations neutral observers. Forward Observers identify targets and specifically state exact coordinates of potential targets. Stating targets is an act of war. U.S. is not only providing arms. THE ONLY REASON Ukraine is doing as wells as they are doing is due to U.S. giving Ukraine exact coordinates of military targets. You idiot Ukraine fan boys do not realize Biden/Pelsoi/Schumer are risking WW3 by identifying Russian locations of tanks and other potential targets. Posters can refer to me in a negative light as much as you wish, U.S. is risking WW3 for Ukraine and deadenders on this thread do not care. Deadenders on this thread cheering for Ukraine are awful excuse for humans.
Really good point. Russia attacks Ukraine, murders civilians and it's the Ukrainians and those who support them who are at fault. Definitely, definitely a good point!
And we’re still waiting for you to provide evidence.
I'm sorry I kept you for waiting so long. Today is my birthday and I've been busy entertaining guests. And as this an auspicious day for me I've been a little too busy to reply. Sorry. Time will tell who wins this war. I'm not betting on an outcome. Too many people have already died to engage in such nonsense. However, I side with the side you're opposed to. Now we each know what side of the fence each other is standing on, don't we.
Now I'll tell you what's what. If you don't try make me believe you're, believes I'll return the favor. Ok?
My post was directed at Carmine, asking him to provide evidence that the US installed the new prime minister in 2014. I should have been more clear.
If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression.
I’m glad you’re so selfish that you don’t think it’s worth defending Ukraine because there are risks involved. Fortunately, most of the country - including numerous politicians from both sides of the aisle - disagrees with you.
I have stated, I am a graduate of Forward Observer School. Disclosure, I never worked as a Forward Observer overseas. Make no mistake, Forward Observers are combatants. Forward Observers are not United Nations neutral observers. Forward Observers identify targets and specifically state exact coordinates of potential targets. Stating targets is an act of war. U.S. is not only providing arms. THE ONLY REASON Ukraine is doing as wells as they are doing is due to U.S. giving Ukraine exact coordinates of military targets. You idiot Ukraine fan boys do not realize Biden/Pelsoi/Schumer are risking WW3 by identifying Russian locations of tanks and other potential targets. Posters can refer to me in a negative light as much as you wish, U.S. is risking WW3 for Ukraine and deadenders on this thread do not care. Deadenders on this thread cheering for Ukraine are awful excuse for humans.
With all your training, did they ever teach you that invading another country, as Russia has done to Ukraine, is an act of war? Or, did they just teach you to surrender as soon as there was any risk?
I'm sorry I kept you for waiting so long. Today is my birthday and I've been busy entertaining guests. And as this an auspicious day for me I've been a little too busy to reply. Sorry. Time will tell who wins this war. I'm not betting on an outcome. Too many people have already died to engage in such nonsense. However, I side with the side you're opposed to. Now we each know what side of the fence each other is standing on, don't we.
Now I'll tell you what's what. If you don't try make me believe you're, believes I'll return the favor. Ok?
My post was directed at Carmine, asking him to provide evidence that the US installed the new prime minister in 2014. I should have been more clear.
Finnish President Sauli Niinisto said he told Russian President Vladimir Putin that his country will apply for NATO membership. The conversation was initiated by Finland.
Poor carmine. Did I hit a nerve? Sucks when facts aren't on your side and you're just left flinging your feces at the wall and hoping something sticks.
anyway.....back to the thread. This is getting interesting (assuming we dont nuke each other). Russia has dug an astronomically huge hole that will affect them for 50 years. Win or lose (both of which are a loss), they will have the majority of their gas and oil customers looking elsewhere due to their unpredictable nature (not to mention foreign investment from west being zero). Currently no gas pipeline to China BTW. Finland was the icing on the cake! Utterly bitter for Putin. He invaded a small country and is in a stalemate, he now will lose nearly his entire border to NATO, and nobody aside form China and India will do business with him. NATO vastly more powerful and focused. In the end the west will insist on reparations (which they should), he will say no, and the sanctions will persist long after this is over. Russia is increasingly looking like a real big version of N Korea when this over. I see no way they can reverse their decline to a bread-line country unless they have substantial regime change along the lines of what they had for a blink of an eye when the wall came down.
Russia does have a pipeline to the Pacific to export to the whole Asian Pacific market. But I agree with your N Korea comparison about where Russia is going as long as Putin is around.
Oddly, Russia is only going to be more worst off and isolated if they were to actually win the war and take over Ukraine. What they would get from Ukraine is a blown up country and all the well educated will have fled the country. Maybe they export wheat if they control Ukraine but that is about it. Russia capturing Ukraine would only solidify and make more permanent Russia being cut off from any relations in the West. Europe would struggle for a time getting their energy supplies, but in time they will establish alternatives and will have no motivation to renew relations Russia until Putin is gone. Russia's brain drain is only going to continue.
Sadly, I think this is what Putin wants. He himself is still going to be living in luxury like the N Korean dictator. A way to keep dissent down has always been to try and convince their people that outside enemies are what are keeping them in misery. Being surrounding by nothing but Nato countries only reinforces that.
Why do they keep saying USA is aiding Ukraine to defend Democracy, Zalensky regularly jails and silences Political opponents, How is that a Democracy?
By The Way USA Seized the 5 Million Dollars Boxer Dmitry Bivol was supposed to be paid for the Canelo fight, which Bivol won. If they were going to do that tell him BEFORE the fight, A lot of people profited from that fight, Bivol met ALL of his contractual Obligations, he risked his health as high level boxing can be dangerous, in fact MOST Boxers have some Brain Damage at the end of their careers, some slur their words, some forget everything, he put himself on the line and has nothing to do with the war, They SHOULD PAY HIM
Apples and oranges. 2014 Ukraine had different leadership than they do now. Let's try to stick with current events. I mean 2014 was yesterday, and yesterday's gone.
You, it sounds believing in moving the needle backwards. Where most sane people are looking to move the needle forwards. Who wins this war God only knows. But it isn't looking good for Putin and his antiqued forces. Ukraine has damaged or sunk 12 or more naval vessels without having their own navy. Ukraine has shot down 200 Russian airplanes. And as of today 5/14/22 27,000+ Russian service men have made the ultimate sacrifice for Putins misadventures.
When this war is concluded, I hope you and your friends can accept defeat better than Trump and his followers did. For the record I more often than not vote republican. Except for the last 2 elections. Didn't vote for either candidates. Couldn't hold my nose and vote for any of those 3. Hope we get better choices in a few years, but it doesn't look promising.
The comment was about USA being deeply involved in the 2014 violent insurrection in Ukraine.
Why do they keep saying USA is aiding Ukraine to defend Democracy, Zalensky regularly jails and silences Political opponents, How is that a Democracy?
By The Way USA Seized the 5 Million Dollars Boxer Dmitry Bivol was supposed to be paid for the Canelo fight, which Bivol won. If they were going to do that tell him BEFORE the fight, A lot of people profited from that fight, Bivol met ALL of his contractual Obligations, he risked his health as high level boxing can be dangerous, in fact MOST Boxers have some Brain Damage at the end of their careers, some slur their words, some forget everything, he put himself on the line and has nothing to do with the war, They SHOULD PAY HIM
I don't know about all that stuff, Douglas, but I do know that Russia has retreated from Kharkiv, which is only 30 miles from the Russian border. They are fleeing Kharkiv like cowards only 48 hours after the big Victory Day -- i.e., Allies-Bailed-Us-Out Day -- parade where Putin was poncing around with that poncey blanket. You don't think that affected what little Russian troop morale there was, Douglas? Seeing their beloved leader Putin in ponce mode?
Here, look, it's even reported in Indian media, which we have learned in this thread (from the ghosted poster "Eff yeah") is the only accurate reporting we will ever find about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Rest of World News: SLOVIANSK, UKRAINE: Russia’s push to give its president a showcase victory in Ukraine appeared to face a new setback Saturday, as Ukrainian defenders .
Why do they keep saying USA is aiding Ukraine to defend Democracy, Zalensky regularly jails and silences Political opponents, How is that a Democracy?
By The Way USA Seized the 5 Million Dollars Boxer Dmitry Bivol was supposed to be paid for the Canelo fight, which Bivol won. If they were going to do that tell him BEFORE the fight, A lot of people profited from that fight, Bivol met ALL of his contractual Obligations, he risked his health as high level boxing can be dangerous, in fact MOST Boxers have some Brain Damage at the end of their careers, some slur their words, some forget everything, he put himself on the line and has nothing to do with the war, They SHOULD PAY HIM
I don't know about all that stuff, Douglas, but I do know that Russia has retreated from Kharkiv, which is only 30 miles from the Russian border. They are fleeing Kharkiv like cowards only 48 hours after the big Victory Day -- i.e., Allies-Bailed-Us-Out Day -- parade where Putin was poncing around with that poncey blanket. You don't think that affected what little Russian troop morale there was, Douglas? Seeing their beloved leader Putin in ponce mode?
Here, look, it's even reported in Indian media, which we have learned in this thread (from the ghosted poster "Eff yeah") is the only accurate reporting we will ever find about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Analysis: As Russia’s Victory Day comes to a close, a reporter in Ukraine shares observations on the toll the war has taken on Ukrainians and how far Russia is from achieving its goals.
So because Putin is an idiot, NATO will add Sweden and Finland, Russia has loss 1000 tanks, 30,000 soldiers, tons of equipment, the disrespect of the entire world and they have gained.............nothing.
Why do they keep saying USA is aiding Ukraine to defend Democracy, Zalensky regularly jails and silences Political opponents, How is that a Democracy?
By The Way USA Seized the 5 Million Dollars Boxer Dmitry Bivol was supposed to be paid for the Canelo fight, which Bivol won. If they were going to do that tell him BEFORE the fight, A lot of people profited from that fight, Bivol met ALL of his contractual Obligations, he risked his health as high level boxing can be dangerous, in fact MOST Boxers have some Brain Damage at the end of their careers, some slur their words, some forget everything, he put himself on the line and has nothing to do with the war, They SHOULD PAY HIM
So because Putin is an idiot, NATO will add Sweden and Finland, Russia has loss 1000 tanks, 30,000 soldiers, tons of equipment, the disrespect of the entire world and they have gained.............nothing.
When do the Russians dump this clown?
They never do. We've learned, to the extent it wasn't already clear, that Russians are the most servile, pathetic people on earth. They love Putin, and crave people like him, because he tells them what to do every morning. Russians can't function without someone ordering them around.
Look at the gift of freedom they were given after the Cold War ended. They freaked out and went scrambling around for the next psycho dictator they could grovel to. They love Putin, and when he dies, they'll all grovel at the feet of his appointed successor. Serfhood is in the Russian genome. Concepts and values like freedom, justice, democracy, fairness, equity, and family mean absolutely nothing to Russians.
