Dude, there are 100 videos out there showing how badly Russia is getting beat up, this is news to you?
Are you keeping up with what is really going on at all?
As much as U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. are risking N.B.C. response by Russia, Ukraine, U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. will not dare cross into Russia. What is the point? You deadenders on this thread act as if Zelenskyy is going to plant Ukraine's flag in downtown Moscow any day. There has to be a dollar amount that even the most crazy of Ukrainian loving deadenders will say, That's it! U.S. should stop supporting Ukraine.
Are you the same CWW2 who posted this Putin fanboy nonsense back in March? That's a mighty shift of the goalposts.
Most posters on this thread are not capable of logical thought. Over 600 posts: Putin is mean. Putin is bad. Putin makes the cow milk go bad. What has that gotten you emotional feminine creatures? The only way this stops is for Zelenskyy to surrender. I cannot think of any other way this conflict stops and over 600 posts, none of you have come up with a better solution than Zelenskyy surrendering to Putin.
Yes. We've read the whole transcript. Now, highlight the sentence(s) that say the US is appointing or installing anyone.
Read the whole thing.
Here is some analysis,
We know from the leaked, early 2014 telephone conversation between Victoria Nuland, then assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, that then Vice President Biden played a role in “midwifing” the U.S.-backed overthrow of an elected Ukrainian government soon after that conversation.
That’s the biggest crime in this story that isn’t being told. The illegal overthrow of a sovereign government.
As booty from the coup, the sitting vice president’s son, Hunter Biden, soon got a seat on the board of Ukraine’s biggest gas producer, Burisma Holdings. This can only be seen as a transparently neocolonial maneuver to take over a country and install one’s own people. But Biden’s son wasn’t the only one. Left to right: Kerry, post-coup president Petro Poroshenko, Pyatt and Nuland, June 2014. (State Dept.) A family friend of then Secretary of State John Kerry also joined Burisma’s board. U.S. agricultural giant Monsanto got a Ukrainian contract soon after the overthrow. And the first, post-coup Ukrainian finance minister was an American citizen, a former State Department official, who was given Ukrainian citizenship the day before she took up the post. After a Ukrainian prosecutor began looking into possible corruption at Burisma, Biden openly admitted at a conference last year that as vice president he withheld a $1 billion credit line to Ukraine until the government fired the prosecutor. As Biden says himself, it took only six hours for it to happen. Exactly what Biden boasted of doing is what the Democrats are now accusing Trump of doing, and it isn’t clear if Trump got what he wanted as Biden did
Focus, Carmine. You have repeatedly asserted that the transcript of Nuland's comments shows that the US installed the head of the Ukrainian government, but you never point to a portion of the transcript that supports your contention. Instead, you offer someone else's interpretation. If it is in the transcript, show us where. If you can't, then be honest enough to stop claiming it is there.
As much as U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. are risking N.B.C. response by Russia, Ukraine, U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. will not dare cross into Russia. What is the point? You deadenders on this thread act as if Zelenskyy is going to plant Ukraine's flag in downtown Moscow any day. There has to be a dollar amount that even the most crazy of Ukrainian loving deadenders will say, That's it! U.S. should stop supporting Ukraine.
Are you the same CWW2 who posted this Putin fanboy nonsense back in March? That's a mighty shift of the goalposts.
Most posters on this thread are not capable of logical thought. Over 600 posts: Putin is mean. Putin is bad. Putin makes the cow milk go bad. What has that gotten you emotional feminine creatures? The only way this stops is for Zelenskyy to surrender. I cannot think of any other way this conflict stops and over 600 posts, none of you have come up with a better solution than Zelenskyy surrendering to Putin.
He also keeps asserting that posters expect Ukraine to conquer Russia, even though it has be explicitly acknowledged here that a 'win' for Ukraine is simply getting Russia out of Ukraine. I don't know why he keeps pretending otherwise. Must be feminine logic.
He also keeps asserting that posters expect Ukraine to conquer Russia, even though it has be explicitly acknowledged here that a 'win' for Ukraine is simply getting Russia out of Ukraine. I don't know why he keeps pretending otherwise. Must be feminine logic.
Straw man arguments are economical if you are running a large disinformation organization. They don't require a whole lot of talent at the end user level.
As much as U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. are risking N.B.C. response by Russia, Ukraine, U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. will not dare cross into Russia. What is the point? You deadenders on this thread act as if Zelenskyy is going to plant Ukraine's flag in downtown Moscow any day. There has to be a dollar amount that even the most crazy of Ukrainian loving deadenders will say, That's it! U.S. should stop supporting Ukraine.
Are you the same CWW2 who posted this Putin fanboy nonsense back in March? That's a mighty shift of the goalposts.
Most posters on this thread are not capable of logical thought. Over 600 posts: Putin is mean. Putin is bad. Putin makes the cow milk go bad. What has that gotten you emotional feminine creatures? The only way this stops is for Zelenskyy to surrender. I cannot think of any other way this conflict stops and over 600 posts, none of you have come up with a better solution than Zelenskyy surrendering to Putin.
I did not assume Biden, Pelosi & Schumer would risk N.B.C. response as much as those three have risked N.B.C. response. Silly me. Our country is run by 80 something Pelosi and near 80-something Biden & Schumer. No one has stood up to the ultra seniors and told them not to risk WW3. You are mad at me for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer risking WW3 by risking N.B.C. response from Russia? You Ukrainian lovers need to get your priorities properly aligned. I still believe Zelenskyy resigning is good for the world. Putin is not going to stop unless someone makes him stop. You and Mr. Seattle think my statement is over the top the Zelensky must plant a Ukrainian flag in Moscow to win. Do all of you Ukrainian lovers admit that 99.9% percent of artillery and bombs are being dropped on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine must look like a Mad Max movie. Recall during the early days of WW2. Japan attacked U.S. territories and U.S. attacked attacked Japanese territories. Germany attacked England by air and attacked British ships. U.S. and England responded by bombing Germany. There is no back and forth. Only Ukraine is being bombed. Russia can bomb Ukraine every day.
I did not assume Biden, Pelosi & Schumer would risk N.B.C. response as much as those three have risked N.B.C. response. Silly me. Our country is run by 80 something Pelosi and near 80-something Biden & Schumer. No one has stood up to the ultra seniors and told them not to risk WW3. You are mad at me for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer risking WW3 by risking N.B.C. response from Russia? You Ukrainian lovers need to get your priorities properly aligned. I still believe Zelenskyy resigning is good for the world. Putin is not going to stop unless someone makes him stop. You and Mr. Seattle think my statement is over the top the Zelensky must plant a Ukrainian flag in Moscow to win. Do all of you Ukrainian lovers admit that 99.9% percent of artillery and bombs are being dropped on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine must look like a Mad Max movie. Recall during the early days of WW2. Japan attacked U.S. territories and U.S. attacked attacked Japanese territories. Germany attacked England by air and attacked British ships. U.S. and England responded by bombing Germany. There is no back and forth. Only Ukraine is being bombed. Russia can bomb Ukraine every day.
If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression.
I’m glad you’re so selfish that you don’t think it’s worth defending Ukraine because there are risks involved. Fortunately, most of the country - including numerous politicians from both sides of the aisle - disagrees with you.
Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s “regime change” in early 2014 without weighing the likely chaos and consequences. As the Ukrainian army squares off against ultra-right and neo-Nazi militias in the west and violence against ethnic Russians continues in the east, the obvious folly of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy has come into focus even for many who tried to ignore the facts, or what you might call “the mess that Victoria Nuland made.” Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible U.S. mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.” To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the U.S.-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts. So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.V
And, here’s a completely different analysis that goes back to the Orange Revolution in 2004/2005 in Ukraine and is far more well written, researched, and truthful.
p.s. You never did highlight any of the transcript that says the US installed the new PM.
When the 1st sentence of the article is "A close look at the lies and distortions from Russia apologists and propagandists about the roots of the Ukraine war", be sure you are about to be fed a bunch of pro war BS.
I did not assume Biden, Pelosi & Schumer would risk N.B.C. response as much as those three have risked N.B.C. response. Silly me. Our country is run by 80 something Pelosi and near 80-something Biden & Schumer. No one has stood up to the ultra seniors and told them not to risk WW3. You are mad at me for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer risking WW3 by risking N.B.C. response from Russia? You Ukrainian lovers need to get your priorities properly aligned. I still believe Zelenskyy resigning is good for the world. Putin is not going to stop unless someone makes him stop. You and Mr. Seattle think my statement is over the top the Zelensky must plant a Ukrainian flag in Moscow to win. Do all of you Ukrainian lovers admit that 99.9% percent of artillery and bombs are being dropped on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine must look like a Mad Max movie. Recall during the early days of WW2. Japan attacked U.S. territories and U.S. attacked attacked Japanese territories. Germany attacked England by air and attacked British ships. U.S. and England responded by bombing Germany. There is no back and forth. Only Ukraine is being bombed. Russia can bomb Ukraine every day.
If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression.
I’m glad you’re so selfish that you don’t think it’s worth defending Ukraine because there are risks involved. Fortunately, most of the country - including numerous politicians from both sides of the aisle - disagrees with you.
Video Transcript: "The US Anti-War Left is Dead. The Squad's $40b War Vote Just Killed It." Many Dems voting YES have long denounced exactly these sorts of bills. What happened?
Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul blocked the fast-tracking of a massive $40 billion Ukraine aid package through the Senate on Thursday. Paul objected to the move by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), with the c...
This is the dumbest of the current pro-Putin taking points. An escalation of the current conflict has two potential outcomes. Neither one is a "World War". Putin has no allies to join him in his conflict, so that leaves a NATO gangbang or nuclear strikes as possibilities. Both options end with a dead Vladimir Putin.
A strange game.The only winning move is not to play.
And, here’s a completely different analysis that goes back to the Orange Revolution in 2004/2005 in Ukraine and is far more well written, researched, and truthful.
p.s. You never did highlight any of the transcript that says the US installed the new PM.
When the 1st sentence of the article is "A close look at the lies and distortions from Russia apologists and propagandists about the roots of the Ukraine war", be sure you are about to be fed a bunch of pro war BS.
Media literacy
Compare to the first sentence of the “analysis” you posted,
We know from the leaked, early 2014 telephone conversation between Victoria Nuland, then assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, that then Vice President Biden played a role in “midwifing” the U.S.-backed overthrow of an elected Ukrainian government soon after that conversation.
Which has like four factual errors in it, and gets worse from there. Did the US lead the Orange Revolution as well? We’re still waiting for you to show where in the Nuland transcript she installs the new PM.
And for some reason, you want Russia to rule the world. It’s not clear why. If China were to invade Alaska would you be okay with the US President saying ,”They can have it as defending ourselves could lead to WW3”?
Back on July 30th, 2013 Rand Paul was all for defense spending:
You know, we have two military bases in Kentucky, and is Governor Christie recommending that we shut down our military bases? He wants to be this great champion of national defense. What does he want to do? Shut down military bases in Kentucky? No, what this debate really is about is that in order to have enough money for national defense — which I think is a priority for the government — you have to be willing to cut spending in other places, and Governor Christie and others have been part of this “gimme gimme gimme.” Gimme all this money.
But, now he’s all a twitter that the government is spending money on national defense? What a f*cking hypocritical loser. No wonder you seem to love him Carmine!
And, he voted against health care for 9/11 first responders, like a true American hero! He was all for tax cuts to bourbon makers in Kentucky the next day though.
Sen. Rand Paul publicly demanded spending cuts before he’d vote for legislation providing health care to 9/11 first responders. So when he signed on the next day to an effort to give bourbon makers in his home state of Kentucky a tax break, critics wanted to know how it would be paid for.
On the bright side, he did introduce the Stand With Israel Act in 2015, so he’s not totally pro-isolationist.
Check. F*cking. Mate. Get your weak sauce game outta here, Carmine.
Yes. We've read the whole transcript. Now, highlight the sentence(s) that say the US is appointing or installing anyone.
Read the whole thing.
Here is some analysis,
We know from the leaked, early 2014 telephone conversation between Victoria Nuland, then assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, that then Vice President Biden played a role in “midwifing” the U.S.-backed overthrow of an elected Ukrainian government soon after that conversation.
That’s the biggest crime in this story that isn’t being told. The illegal overthrow of a sovereign government.
As booty from the coup, the sitting vice president’s son, Hunter Biden, soon got a seat on the board of Ukraine’s biggest gas producer, Burisma Holdings. This can only be seen as a transparently neocolonial maneuver to take over a country and install one’s own people. But Biden’s son wasn’t the only one. Left to right: Kerry, post-coup president Petro Poroshenko, Pyatt and Nuland, June 2014. (State Dept.) A family friend of then Secretary of State John Kerry also joined Burisma’s board. U.S. agricultural giant Monsanto got a Ukrainian contract soon after the overthrow. And the first, post-coup Ukrainian finance minister was an American citizen, a former State Department official, who was given Ukrainian citizenship the day before she took up the post. After a Ukrainian prosecutor began looking into possible corruption at Burisma, Biden openly admitted at a conference last year that as vice president he withheld a $1 billion credit line to Ukraine until the government fired the prosecutor. As Biden says himself, it took only six hours for it to happen. Exactly what Biden boasted of doing is what the Democrats are now accusing Trump of doing, and it isn’t clear if Trump got what he wanted as Biden did
Apples and oranges. 2014 Ukraine had different leadership than they do now. Let's try to stick with current events. I mean 2014 was yesterday, and yesterday's gone.
You, it sounds believing in moving the needle backwards. Where most sane people are looking to move the needle forwards. Who wins this war God only knows. But it isn't looking good for Putin and his antiqued forces. Ukraine has damaged or sunk 12 or more naval vessels without having their own navy. Ukraine has shot down 200 Russian airplanes. And as of today 5/14/22 27,000+ Russian service men have made the ultimate sacrifice for Putins misadventures.
When this war is concluded, I hope you and your friends can accept defeat better than Trump and his followers did. For the record I more often than not vote republican. Except for the last 2 elections. Didn't vote for either candidates. Couldn't hold my nose and vote for any of those 3. Hope we get better choices in a few years, but it doesn't look promising.
This is the dumbest of the current pro-Putin taking points. An escalation of the current conflict has two potential outcomes. Neither one is a "World War". Putin has no allies to join him in his conflict, so that leaves a NATO gangbang or nuclear strikes as possibilities. Both options end with a dead Vladimir Putin.
A strange game.The only winning move is not to play.
I responded to this comment:
If the US providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression leads to WW3, then WW3 was inevitable because it means Putin was going to keep attacking countries until somebody stood up to his aggression."
If you find yourself saying "pro Putin talking point" or calling someone comrade, you are passing on CIA propaganda. Not your own thoughts
We know from the leaked, early 2014 telephone conversation between Victoria Nuland, then assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, that then Vice President Biden played a role in “midwifing” the U.S.-backed overthrow of an elected Ukrainian government soon after that conversation.
That’s the biggest crime in this story that isn’t being told. The illegal overthrow of a sovereign government.
As booty from the coup, the sitting vice president’s son, Hunter Biden, soon got a seat on the board of Ukraine’s biggest gas producer, Burisma Holdings. This can only be seen as a transparently neocolonial maneuver to take over a country and install one’s own people. But Biden’s son wasn’t the only one. Left to right: Kerry, post-coup president Petro Poroshenko, Pyatt and Nuland, June 2014. (State Dept.) A family friend of then Secretary of State John Kerry also joined Burisma’s board. U.S. agricultural giant Monsanto got a Ukrainian contract soon after the overthrow. And the first, post-coup Ukrainian finance minister was an American citizen, a former State Department official, who was given Ukrainian citizenship the day before she took up the post. After a Ukrainian prosecutor began looking into possible corruption at Burisma, Biden openly admitted at a conference last year that as vice president he withheld a $1 billion credit line to Ukraine until the government fired the prosecutor. As Biden says himself, it took only six hours for it to happen. Exactly what Biden boasted of doing is what the Democrats are now accusing Trump of doing, and it isn’t clear if Trump got what he wanted as Biden did
Apples and oranges. 2014 Ukraine had different leadership than they do now. Let's try to stick with current events. I mean 2014 was yesterday, and yesterday's gone.
You, it sounds believing in moving the needle backwards. Where most sane people are looking to move the needle forwards. Who wins this war God only knows. But it isn't looking good for Putin and his antiqued forces. Ukraine has damaged or sunk 12 or more naval vessels without having their own navy. Ukraine has shot down 200 Russian airplanes. And as of today 5/14/22 27,000+ Russian service men have made the ultimate sacrifice for Putins misadventures.
When this war is concluded, I hope you and your friends can accept defeat better than Trump and his followers did. For the record I more often than not vote republican. Except for the last 2 elections. Didn't vote for either candidates. Couldn't hold my nose and vote for any of those 3. Hope we get better choices in a few years, but it doesn't look promising.
The comment was about USA being deeply involved in the 2014 violent insurrection in Ukraine.
