Amazing.
Articles from newspapers asking in March to save Ukraine Jews taken down as "low or no content post".
Who is this moderator who censors stuff like this?
Do the Brojos know he is doing this?
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MelRnr wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Which is confirmed by he recording of Victoria Nuland in Urkaine in 2014 talking about who the US was going to install as PM.
That call does not confirm anything that you are insinuating, like it being a US led coup. This has been gone over before in this and/or other threads regarding Ukraine numerous times.
Of course it does. She is discussing who the US will put in charge of Ukraine.
Here is the whole transcript for anyone to read.
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Elzio Dennick wrote:
Dude, there are 100 videos out there showing how badly Russia is getting beat up, this is news to you?
Are you keeping up with what is really going on at all?
I am amazed by people who actually believe Ukraine is beating Russia.
Amazed.
How gullible
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MelRnr wrote:
SeattleSilver wrote:
If it is your contention that US intelligence would never get involved in a situation that began without their participation, you are wrong. Sometimes they watch, monitor and evaluate before deciding whether to take a more active role. Sometimes the action begins with intelligence services of allies; sometimes it begins organically. The notion that the US intelligence services would never get involved in those situations at a later date because they didn't own it from the start is patently absurd.
Correct. And the Maiden Revolution was clearly an organic, home grown, Ukrainian popular uprising. The majority of Ukrainians wanted closer ties to the West, just as they do today, they did not want Putin Puppet Yanukovych.
What?!? Of course the Ukrainians want to be closer to Russia. Why else would they be greeting their Russian liberators with flowers and parades?
Oh wait.
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carmine9 wrote:
Elzio Dennick wrote:
Dude, there are 100 videos out there showing how badly Russia is getting beat up, this is news to you?
Are you keeping up with what is really going on at all?
I am amazed by people who actually believe Ukraine is beating Russia.
Amazed.
How gullible
It’s hard to amaze you
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SeattleSilver wrote:
Cold War warrior2 wrote:
What are you stating? When U.S. intelligence community gets involved with the overthrow of a government, go back to O.S.S. days to early days of the Agency to current times, U.S. only leads. U.S. doesn't follow. Was that you under a different handle? Baby steps. Are you now admitting U.S. was involved in 2014 coup in Ukraine? Is that your position now? You admit U.S. intelligence community was involved but U.S. intelligence community were followers and not leaders? I am glad you now indirectly admit U.S. intelligence community were involved in 2014 coup in Ukraine.
If it is your contention that US intelligence would never get involved in a situation that began without their participation, you are wrong. Sometimes they watch, monitor and evaluate before deciding whether to take a more active role. Sometimes the action begins with intelligence services of allies; sometimes it begins organically. The notion that the US intelligence services would never get involved in those situations at a later date because they didn't own it from the start is patently absurd.
We may find out some day. We can agree U.S. involvement by intelligence community, 2014 was not as overt as U.S. involvement, Bay of Pigs, Cuba, 1961. My guess, U.S. overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh, 1953 by U.S. intelligence community is the best similarity. 1953 in Iran looked organic, correct. That's the M.O. Make overthrows look organic.
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carmine9 wrote:
MelRnr wrote:
That call does not confirm anything that you are insinuating, like it being a US led coup. This has been gone over before in this and/or other threads regarding Ukraine numerous times.
Of course it does. She is discussing who the US will put in charge of Ukraine.
Here is the whole transcript for anyone to read.
Yes. We've read the whole transcript. Now, highlight the sentence(s) that say the US is appointing or installing anyone.
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Do you watch any news about the war? Dude, Russia is getting their butt kicked. Yes they can bomb buildings but when he cones to actually fighting that Russian army is taking a serious beating.
Just yesterday they lost 72 tanks in one stupid move trying to cross a bridge.
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LavrovTheMoney wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Of course it does. She is discussing who the US will put in charge of Ukraine.
Here is the whole transcript for anyone to read.
Yes. We've read the whole transcript. Now, highlight the sentence(s) that say the US is appointing or installing anyone.
Read the whole thing.
Here is some analysis,
We know from the leaked, early 2014 telephone conversation between Victoria Nuland, then assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, that then Vice President Biden played a role in “midwifing” the U.S.-backed overthrow of an elected Ukrainian government soon after that conversation.
That’s the biggest crime in this story that isn’t being told. The illegal overthrow of a sovereign government.
As booty from the coup, the sitting vice president’s son, Hunter Biden, soon got a seat on the board of Ukraine’s biggest gas producer, Burisma Holdings. This can only be seen as a transparently neocolonial maneuver to take over a country and install one’s own people. But Biden’s son wasn’t the only one.
Left to right: Kerry, post-coup president Petro Poroshenko, Pyatt and Nuland, June 2014. (State Dept.)
A family friend of then Secretary of State John Kerry also joined Burisma’s board. U.S. agricultural giant Monsanto got a Ukrainian contract soon after the overthrow. And the first, post-coup Ukrainian finance minister was an American citizen, a former State Department official, who was given Ukrainian citizenship the day before she took up the post.
After a Ukrainian prosecutor began looking into possible corruption at Burisma, Biden openly admitted at a conference last year that as vice president he withheld a $1 billion credit line to Ukraine until the government fired the prosecutor. As Biden says himself, it took only six hours for it to happen.
Exactly what Biden boasted of doing is what the Democrats are now accusing Trump of doing, and it isn’t clear if Trump got what he wanted as Biden did05 -
Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s “regime change” in early 2014 without weighing the likely chaos and consequences.
As the Ukrainian army squares off against ultra-right and neo-Nazi militias in the west and violence against ethnic Russians continues in the east, the obvious folly of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy has come into focus even for many who tried to ignore the facts, or what you might call “the mess that Victoria Nuland made.”
Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible U.S. mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”
To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the U.S.-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.
So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.V04 -
carmine9 wrote:
Amazing.
Articles from newspapers asking in March to save Ukraine Jews taken down as "low or no content post".
Who is this moderator who censors stuff like this?
Do the Brojos know he is doing this?
When all you do is link to a bunch of articles without providing any commentary of your own, or at least a summary of the article and what point you’re trying to make, the posts are low/no-content.
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Elzio Dennick wrote:
Do you watch any news about the war? Dude, Russia is getting their butt kicked. Yes they can bomb buildings but when he cones to actually fighting that Russian army is taking a serious beating.
Just yesterday they lost 72 tanks in one stupid move trying to cross a bridge.
And you actually believe that?
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Dude, take a few minutes and actually bone up on what is actually going on, ok?
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Reality...
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Elzio Dennick wrote:
Dude, there are 100 videos out there showing how badly Russia is getting beat up, this is news to you?
Are you keeping up with what is really going on at all?
As much as U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. are risking N.B.C. response by Russia, Ukraine, U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. will not dare cross into Russia. What is the point? You deadenders on this thread act as if Zelenskyy is going to plant Ukraine's flag in downtown Moscow any day. There has to be a dollar amount that even the most crazy of Ukrainian loving deadenders will say, That's it! U.S. should stop supporting Ukraine.
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carmine9 wrote:
Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s “regime change” in early 2014 without weighing the likely chaos and consequences.
As the Ukrainian army squares off against ultra-right and neo-Nazi militias in the west and violence against ethnic Russians continues in the east, the obvious folly of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy has come into focus even for many who tried to ignore the facts, or what you might call “the mess that Victoria Nuland made.”
Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible U.S. mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”
To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the U.S.-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.
So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.VAnd, here’s a completely different analysis that goes back to the Orange Revolution in 2004/2005 in Ukraine and is far more well written, researched, and truthful.
p.s. You never did highlight any of the transcript that says the US installed the new PM.
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Cold War warrior2 wrote:
SeattleSilver wrote:
If it is your contention that US intelligence would never get involved in a situation that began without their participation, you are wrong. Sometimes they watch, monitor and evaluate before deciding whether to take a more active role. Sometimes the action begins with intelligence services of allies; sometimes it begins organically. The notion that the US intelligence services would never get involved in those situations at a later date because they didn't own it from the start is patently absurd.
We may find out some day. We can agree U.S. involvement by intelligence community, 2014 was not as overt as U.S. involvement, Bay of Pigs, Cuba, 1961. My guess, U.S. overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh, 1953 by U.S. intelligence community is the best similarity. 1953 in Iran looked organic, correct. That's the M.O. Make overthrows look organic.
So about the same time that Stalin was killing millions of people in multiple genocides?
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Once Israel’s crack forces and US military of aggressive lesbians and bi-curious macho men join in on this fight it’s going to be a blood bath.
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Cold War warrior2 wrote:
Elzio Dennick wrote:
Dude, there are 100 videos out there showing how badly Russia is getting beat up, this is news to you?
Are you keeping up with what is really going on at all?
As much as U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. are risking N.B.C. response by Russia, Ukraine, U.S. and the rest of N.A.T.O. will not dare cross into Russia. What is the point? You deadenders on this thread act as if Zelenskyy is going to plant Ukraine's flag in downtown Moscow any day. There has to be a dollar amount that even the most crazy of Ukrainian loving deadenders will say, That's it! U.S. should stop supporting Ukraine.
Putin was gong to take over Ukraine, he was going to replace the government, OBVIOUSLY...that won't be happening so he has lost this war. And we all see it.
His army a total joke, hell that gang couldn't take Detroit.
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Russia couldn’t overrun and occupy a Jamba Juice franchise. The Russian army is good for tic toc videos of exploding tanks though.
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