2020 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

asdfasdg sdf wrote:

Rumors of Joel Keller to Texas State

The job pays $30k; one step above volunteer (barely)

His possibly former position (recruiting intern at Nebraska) now posted on USTFCCCA website.

UNCW distance coach is now at WKU

Scale is not Sliding wrote:

Sliding Scale wrote:

[quote]asdfasdg sdf wrote:

Rumors of Joel Keller to Texas State

The issue is that there's better quality females/minorities that could be hired not that they are being hired. You don't hear a lot of complaints about the Towson, or Maryland hires both of which were qualified young female hires.

You don't know what you are talking about. It was widely known that the Towson coach wanted to hire a female. At no point in time did a male candidate EVER have a chance at that position. That's bias against male applicants.

Your implication that employers are specifically not considering female or minority candidates is 100% false.

The only reason that lesser experienced white guy got the job is because the pay is very bad. Those "better quality females/minorities" that you mention didn't want that job because they know they can make 20k more somewhere else.

WKUFU wrote:

UNCW distance coach is now at WKU

How much does an assistant coach at Western KY make?

It was offered to me a few years ago and was part time. But that was when Jenkins was there.

How long will this guy make it? Can’t be much over 30k and with an awful team.

Heard through the grape vine that the head coach there is so great to work for that he had the other two assistants ready to jump ship mid year after talking bad about them in front of the team.

Guess we know why he got let go at his last gig....

Congrats to all the coaches getting jobs (young, old, white, black, male and female and so on) It is a gratifying profession that most likely will not reward you well financially but will reward you many other ways if that is what you are looking for. It is so predictable and sad to see the announcements of a new coach hired (an exciting time for that coach and his/her family) and to read the replies which are almost always negative (this person sucks, inexperienced etc.) that this thread produces. Good luck to all the coaches who have decided to pursue this profession and landed jobs.

Garden City CC Head Coach

https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/13282219/head-men-s-and-women-s-track-coach

The job posting for WKU said $16,000

CoachXCTFsprints wrote:

Congrats to all the coaches getting jobs (young, old, white, black, male and female and so on) It is a gratifying profession that most likely will not reward you well financially but will reward you many other ways if that is what you are looking for. It is so predictable and sad to see the announcements of a new coach hired (an exciting time for that coach and his/her family) and to read the replies which are almost always negative (this person sucks, inexperienced etc.) that this thread produces. Good luck to all the coaches who have decided to pursue this profession and landed jobs.

yes ... also very difficult to judge coaches abilities purely on results - which is how most are judged on here

you can be a great coach but if you are at a school with very limited T/F resources competing against other schools with a much larger commitment you aren't going to have a lot of conf champions or even athletes placing on your resume - let alone all americans

do you develop the runners that you are able to get - are they getting faster and staying healthy

I think some of these schools would be better off either committing to distance or sprints rather than being lower 1/2 in the conference in both - even if severely limited I think you are better off getting 2 very high quality runners for XC and focus on getting them to place high rather than spacing things out to get 7 mediocre runners and place low in the conference

quality over quantity for schools with limited resources and forget about team scores

nothing really wrote:

The job posting for WKU said $16,000

WOW! WKU went from Conference Powerhouse to coaches' poverty.

UNCW knows? wrote:

nothing really wrote:

The job posting for WKU said $16,000

WOW! WKU went from Conference Powerhouse to coaches' poverty.

I actually heard the job only paid $6,000

rammer

quality over quantity for schools with limited resources and forget about team scores

I understand why you say this and your logic is sound in the short term. But long term, this philosophy is what is killing the sport.

Most collegiate administrators don't understand individual results. They understand team scores and placing. If you want to get more resources, make your administration happy. If you want to make them happy, show them team results exceeding your current resource level and their expectations.

Track & field needs to be viewed as a team sport if you want your administrators to take you seriously.

sjgkahfofhsh wrote:

rammer

quality over quantity for schools with limited resources and forget about team scores

I understand why you say this and your logic is sound in the short term. But long term, this philosophy is what is killing the sport.

Most collegiate administrators don't understand individual results. They understand team scores and placing. If you want to get more resources, make your administration happy. If you want to make them happy, show them team results exceeding your current resource level and their expectations.

Track & field needs to be viewed as a team sport if you want your administrators to take you seriously.

I think you are going to get a lot more mileage from parading around 1-2 conference champions - intros at basketball games, media hits, etc than touting a 7th place finish despite the lowest funding in a 12 team conference. After you have proven you can develop the few athletes you invest in you can then go to admin and argue for more funding to be more competitive as a team- if the answer is no you continue to focus on quality.

There is a huge disparity in program funding at some of these smaller, entry level coaching positions that severely hamstring ones ability to have competitive full teams.

No. When are successful with few resources the admin asks why do you need more you are doing fine with what you have.

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Scale is not Sliding wrote:

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[quote]asdfasdg sdf wrote:

Rumors of Joel Keller to Texas State

Those "better quality females/minorities" that you mention didn't want that job because they know they can make 20k more somewhere else.

There is some truth to this. Find me a woman who accepts a coaching job for under 50k...most of them start higher. Simple supply and demand. Always makes me wonder...how many women are there actually in DII & DIII coaching where the pay is lower on average and how in the world do they retain them? Maybe, depending on the situation, less of a time commitment/less stress so better quality of life? Women tend to prioritize this quality more then men?

Brooks LeCompte to WKU per his LinkedIn

It will be interesting to see how long he lasts at WKU