ALBERTO SALAZAR BANNED FROM ATHLETICS FOR FOUR YEARS FOR DOPING VIOLATIONS

casual obsever wrote:

larkimm wrote:

It is amusing how worked up people are getting about this.

I am amused how the PR shills are already out, desperately trying some damage control, and especially you Brits acting as if only Salazar was dirty, not his athletes, meaning Farah.

Farah should have been banned for blatant test evasion in 2011! Test evasion, likely doping, lost injection paperwork, jump from also-ran to invincible for years, dirty stopwatch holder, and now: documented, banned dirty coach.

But no worries, Lord Nike will protect Sir Mo, like he did Lady Radcliffe.

All of this is old news. Mo Farah is involved with the Aden group. Dirty through and through. Anyone who is actually in the know gets called a shill in this thread because most of the people posting want a witch hunt and don't seem to care about the facts. I can acknowledge that Salazar is being misrepresented without believing he is innocent.

casual obsever wrote:

larkimm wrote:

It is amusing how worked up people are getting about this.

I am amused how the PR shills are already out, desperately trying some damage control, and especially you Brits acting as if only Salazar was dirty, not his athletes, meaning Farah.

Farah should have been banned for blatant test evasion in 2011! Test evasion, likely doping, lost injection paperwork, jump from also-ran to invincible for years, dirty stopwatch holder, and now: documented, banned dirty coach.

But no worries, Lord Nike will protect Sir Mo, like he did Lady Radcliffe.

+1

This is an important step in the cleanup process.

Flat Stanley wrote:

Which other athletes used Brown? Not just NOP was it. I seem to remember Ryan Hall and others also using him. Anyone working with Brown has to be called into question at this point.

You know USATF had Dr. Brown giving presentations at coaching clinics?

casual obsever wrote:

larkimm wrote:

It is amusing how worked up people are getting about this.

I am amused how the PR shills are already out, desperately trying some damage control, and especially you Brits acting as if only Salazar was dirty, not his athletes, meaning Farah.

Farah should have been banned for blatant test evasion in 2011! Test evasion, likely doping, lost injection paperwork, jump from also-ran to invincible for years, dirty stopwatch holder, and now: documented, banned dirty coach.

But no worries, Lord Nike will protect Sir Mo, like he did Lady Radcliffe.

Are there any Brits on this board who believe Farah is/was clean?

I still can't believe how many people bought Salazar's story that his chart showing the beneficial effects of testosterone on 16-year-old Rupp's hematocrit levels over time was all a big misunderstanding . . . and it was really just legal "Testoboost" that was giving Rupp such magnificent blood results.

trollism wrote:

Are there any Brits on this board who believe Farah is/was clean?

Doubt it. But larkimm, Deanouk and rekrunner pretend to believe.

Rojo, wejo, could you please stop the PR shills from deleting posts here?

I know no details of this, but if the ban sticks you can be sure that he will not stop coaching.

Too bad there is no concerted international cooperation to clean house in t&f.

trollism wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

I am amused how the PR shills are already out, desperately trying some damage control, and especially you Brits acting as if only Salazar was dirty, not his athletes, meaning Farah.

Farah should have been banned for blatant test evasion in 2011! Test evasion, likely doping, lost injection paperwork, jump from also-ran to invincible for years, dirty stopwatch holder, and now: documented, banned dirty coach.

But no worries, Lord Nike will protect Sir Mo, like he did Lady Radcliffe.

Are there any Brits on this board who believe Farah is/was clean?

Hell no! I think you'll find a large majority of the athletics community think he's doping...

Surely this undocumented infusion is a definite breach now given the AlSal ruling?

fortherecord wrote:

£££££ wrote:

They have been saying for the last several years that just about every athlete at NOP is coached by him. My gut feeling is that's just a cover to get the heat off.

Who is “They”? You can even see here on LetsRun people posting about how Julian coaches at least half the team if not more. Seems like grasping at straws at this point. Being banned for staff experiments years ago seems like a terrible reason to take 4 years from someone’s career

Don't play stupid. "They" = the athletes at NOP who claim they are only coached by Pete

The article asks about the timing of the release of the decision. Usada would not have control over when AAA arbitrators issue their opinion

CAS can't do anything about this.

NOP athletes knew this was coming for some time, but were told it would break after Doha as to not cause distractions.

Others in the sport heard the same things over the past few weeks so this shouldn’t shock anyone. The only shocking thing is the release of the report.

Maybe USASA didn’t want FloTrack to leak this one before it was ready too...

I skimmed through most of the report. My two main findings:

(1) L-Carnitine injection methods and evidence tampering:

AlSal is adamant throughout not to give his athletes (other than Magness,

who may actually have been considered an athlete) more than the legal

limit.

However, some confusion around whether injections less than 50ml per 6 hour

needs to be reported to USADA. AlSal fires off email to USADA asking for

clarification, and then, skeptical that USADA will even respond (USADA

employees electing to not commit to anything, maybe due to uncertainty),

opines to colleagues that this is their documentary justification for not

mentioning sub-50ml injections in the future.

The only irrefutable evidence that someone went outside of legal limits

was with Magness, who received more than the 50ml per 6 hour limit using

IV injections. Confusion over whether he was an athlete and thus whether

this was legal or not. Magness himself seems unclear about his status,

choosing one or the other seemingly out of what best serves his interest

at the time.

Thoughts: This situation allegedly arose out of a last-minute scare AlSal

had with USADA inquiring about reported injections (subsequently declared

legal following appropriate documentation) for a particular athlete before

a competition and wishing to avoid such scares in the future.

If USADA had responded to AlSal email inquiring about what needs to be

reported, much of this could have been either avoided, or, if AlSal

still chose to do what he did, a clear indictment. As it is, this will

be challenged again (and it has already taken years).

(2) Testosterone experiment:

Rubbing medically prescribed testosterone gel on his two sons has been

ruled as an infraction of "selling, giving, transporting, sending,

delivering or distributing a Prohibited Substance ... to any third

party."

If someone is charged with violating this rule, a minimum ban of four years

must be prescribed.

Thoughts: There must be many land-mines silently waiting to go off. Indeed,

how many athletes routinely violate just this single rule, whether out of

ignorance, indifference, or ambition?

Final thoughts: I guess the smoking gun is (2), but it seems rather hollow and

founded on technicalities. AlSal clearly tries to do everything in his power

to give his program the edge, but was also clearly persistent -- almost to a

fault (denail of service attack) in getting the green light from USADA on

any new procedures or supplements he wanted to try out.

Another reason why we should just let athletes dope. Let's just accept that it's a dirty sport and maybe we can trim the fat that is the WADA. Americans getting held to such a high standard while rogue nations go...rogue.

trollism wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

I am amused how the PR shills are already out, desperately trying some damage control, and especially you Brits acting as if only Salazar was dirty, not his athletes, meaning Farah.

Farah should have been banned for blatant test evasion in 2011! Test evasion, likely doping, lost injection paperwork, jump from also-ran to invincible for years, dirty stopwatch holder, and now: documented, banned dirty coach.

But no worries, Lord Nike will protect Sir Mo, like he did Lady Radcliffe.

Are there any Brits on this board who believe Farah is/was clean?

I doubt if there are any regular posters from the UK who think he is/was clean. Rekrunner is not British - he's American, and I doubt very much Deano believed that Mo ran a second faster than Coe/Cram/Ovett 100% clean, even taking into account it was run at Monaco.

This isn't just about Mo, unless your agenda is just to have a go at Brits. Casual Observer seems to think the suspension of the shady American coach of a Somali 'Brit' who hardly spent any time here means British athletics is dirty from top to bottom.

Read the comments under the Daily Mail report. Mo is not liked in GB (of course, if I stuck up for Mo I'd be accused of 'chauvinism' and turning a blind eye to alleged British doping, but as I don't stick up for him, I'll be accused of racism by the same people).

£££££ wrote:

RequestForRexing wrote:

Can you not hijack a thread and turn everything into a stupid tangential argument, for once?

My gut feeling is that Mr t rex is sage alt account.

Your gut is too full of sat fat, Meat-Head. And to the other guy, I think you need to look up the definition of "tangential." A ) I was commenting on the owner of this site's comments, and B) it was about American runners who may or may not have doped (in relation to other runners from the world). Kinda on topic, and similar to half the posts on here.

When is the Nike going to drop?

If you fund team, don't you a chance to look at the books, simply as an accounting process.

trollism wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

All on the juice! Sorry, my head's spinning right now. Haven't been here in months but couldn't keep away once I heard. Devastating for British Athletics and the only American distance gold medal in recent years turns out to have been doped. Meanwhile, none of Salazar's athletes failed any tests which proves what we'd always known: they have sophisticated systems to avoid positives.

BAN THE LOT!!!

Comedy genius.

Bet there hasn't been a day you haven't been on here posting under different names. But welcome back to this handle, bit odd you didn't bring it back a week or so ago when there was a documentary on Doha Kenyans EPOing it to the max.

Big deal about Farah, it's not like it's new news given his Jama Aden links.

Well, still a few marbles short, I see. I don't know what you're on about. I've never posted under any handle other than this. And yes, I haven't been here since April and that indirectly led to several unexpected life-changing decisions which only reaffirmed that I was spending way too much time in this toxic, racist cesspool. And, no! Not planning on staying.

As Farah, didn't UK Athletics release a statement staking their reputation on his being clean? Considering he's IS British Athletics, well that standing is in tatters. BRITISH ATHLETICS IS A TOTAL FRAUD!!!