non jamin wrote:
Do you still talk about Lip Kitton? Do ya?
Yes. Had a discussion about the New Yorker article on Litton just this morning and debated whether Kip Litton, Kelly Agnew, or the current topic of discussion has the longest cheating resume.
non jamin wrote:
not even close wrote:
Come on! He was a freakin' coach! He was responsible for teaching good sports ethics for years and years. And then you expect him to turn around and say, 'well, kids, sure actually running a race is as important as i have been telling you all these years, but i just wanted to cheat for the last 10 years to show that it can be done!'
Bad, bad, strategy, and it undermines his more important message.
Give it up.
Yes, you indeed should give it up. I agree with the guy. He was showing the holes that exist in road racing, marathons in particular. He could have easily claimed that. Then, even if they let him go as a coach, many will believe that he was telling the truth in terms of why he did it (except for an expert like you---insert major sarcasm)---and life goes on, he's 70, not 50. Quicker than you or I believe, it's forgotten. Do you still talk about Lip Kitton? Do ya? I'm in the camp that he could have walked away from it and claimed it was a test or joke if you will, and that he intended to come clean when enough sh*t hit the fan.
Yes, you should give it up;)
If that's what he was doing he would have said so. So he cheats for 10+ years before he shares his report showing how it's possible to cheat in Marathons and sets an age group record without acknowledging he cheated. Plus his report would include the times he got busted. Could a serial shoplifter claim he was trying to help stores to improve their security? Would the stuff he stole over a 10-year period be considered consulting fees?
You guys are looking for a magic lie that would have saved him, but it doesn't exist.
Still can't find an obituary...hmmm.
Yeah, I noticed that,too.
“Full-page Obituary” thread was pulled down; another hoax?
This was deleted before but I will say it again. Is it possible he faked his death? To make it all go away?
I think the family have finally decided to lay low. Attacking people would never work.
I just saw this public post on Facebook about Frank Meza's family trying to pass a "Frank's law" for "cyber bullying" by lobbying and fundraising through the Altamed Foundation. All of them are still in complete denial of every single piece of evidence that Frank Meza pretty much cheated in every single race he ever participated in. They and that foundation are still blaming everyone else, taking no responsibility that Frank Meza was a prolific, life long cheater
His wife eloquently spoke how his final weeks were a personal nightmare brought on by cyber bullying related to accusations brought about his participation in the LA Marathon. She said he died of a broken heart and the accusations were false. More importantly she stress that she wanted to engage the community to support her with the introduction of Frank’s law. Cyber bullying is not a crime but it’s harmful effects wrecks havoc on people’s lives. Please share my post if for no other reason than to raise awareness. Thank you
I guess they want to be the first ones convicted of the new crime.
jesseriley wrote:
I guess they want to be the first ones convicted of the new crime.
Was there any proof that the son was an accomplice in FM cheating?
If the guy’s personal and private running logs, his personal diary talking about his desire for a record, or a conversation overheard were exposed and everyone investigated his background, then saying he was bullied would have some weight. Cheating and given the opportunity to dispute the evidence, denial and having supporters attack those investigators that’s bullying. The nightmare for him must have been the evidence of the method of cheating with the bike pictures.
For a pathological liar (who lies even when no one believes it & there’s no possible advantage), being constantly bombarded with the truth feels like bullying.
NotLettingitGo wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
I guess they want to be the first ones convicted of the new crime.
Was there any proof that the son was an accomplice in FM cheating?
10+ years of running? The family had to know of his cheating. My wife goes to 1 of my races/year and she knows when something is off.
Had to Know wrote:
NotLettingitGo wrote:
Was there any proof that the son was an accomplice in FM cheating?
10+ years of running? The family had to know of his cheating. My wife goes to 1 of my races/year and she knows when something is off.
Agree.
Ummmm wrote:
non jamin wrote:
Do you still talk about Lip Kitton? Do ya?
Yes. Had a discussion about the New Yorker article on Litton just this morning and debated whether Kip Litton, Kelly Agnew, or the current topic of discussion has the longest cheating resume.
no ya didn't.
I suggest the moderators lock this thread and let’s put it to rest. If anything notable happens in the future then a new thread and discussion can occur at that time.
Sudoko2 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
If that's what he was doing he would have said so. So he cheats for 10+ years before he shares his report showing how it's possible to cheat in Marathons and sets an age group record without acknowledging he cheated. Plus his report would include the times he got busted. Could a serial shoplifter claim he was trying to help stores to improve their security? Would the stuff he stole over a 10-year period be considered consulting fees?
You guys are looking for a magic lie that would have saved him, but it doesn't exist.
You're wrong, 100%. That would have saved him, end of story. Learn to think things thru before disagreeing because you didn't think of it first. Frank could have lived on his life with no issues at all if he had done what the poster said. You're simply jealous for having brain lag.
"Sad all the way around, but I wish he had talked to someone and realized that there truly was a way out and to save face with Family and Friends."
This poster is saying that he wished someone had told Meza what to say. If he repeated what the guy said it would have been a lie and I would have been correct in saying it was a lie.
Do you believe that's what really happened or just that it would have been such a great lie that everyone would have believed it?
Call it a day wrote:
I suggest the moderators lock this thread and let’s put it to rest. If anything notable happens in the future then a new thread and discussion can occur at that time.
The fact that Tina Meza refuses to accept that Frank was a lying cheater and is advocating for a new law to be created doesn't warrant that discussion about this continue? If you don't want to discuss this, move along. Some of us feel this is still relevant. The fact that Frank killed himself doesn't erase his history of cheating.
Call it a day wrote:
I suggest the moderators lock this thread and let’s put it to rest. If anything notable happens in the future then a new thread and discussion can occur at that time.
+1
It is long pass time for the pathetic "race-cheat" idiots to crawl back under their rock. These children need to get a life.
+1 wrote:
Call it a day wrote:
I suggest the moderators lock this thread and let’s put it to rest. If anything notable happens in the future then a new thread and discussion can occur at that time.
+1
It is long pass time for the pathetic "race-cheat" idiots to crawl back under their rock. These children need to get a life.
Says you the child who is here reading and posting under different handles. You appear to be one of the "race-cheat" idiots.