Which society is this? Amazing how we discovered that we've been living in a "non-binary society" all along, just about the same time people started wanting to identify as "non-binary." As a bit of advice, it is always wise to doubt any wholesale re-analysis of the world when it just so happens to align with the interests, desires, or overall agenda of the person telling you about how the world should be analyzed.
So why do we have more gays and lesbians among the young population today than ever before if they are forced to identify as trans?
Why are there so many young trans people who are either attracted to people with the opposite sex of their natal sex, or not sexually attracted to anyone, if they were gay and lesbian before their transition?
And why do they want to go through all this, given discrimination against trans people is so much worse than discrimination against gays and lesbians?
In recent years, opponents of the gender-affirmative approach to trans youth have argued that it bears homophobic roots and may be tantamount to conversion therapy. This argument is mistaken. In th...
I'm not the person applying double standards to evidence that doesn't mesh with my world view. I never said that human subjectivity, interpretive understandings of the world, or real world observations should never be used as data in knowledge-producing projects. YOU are the one that disimssed real world observations as anecdotal, then endorsed recently-created and contested constructs as real entities that ought to drive interventions.
Transgenders are not a recent societal construct, but one that have been described in writings and passed speech for thousands of years in cultures that are old enough to have witnessed millennia.
Why isn’t it a double standard to (presumably) accept headaches or depression as a real problem but not dysphoria?
Which society is this? Amazing how we discovered that we've been living in a "non-binary society" all along, just about the same time people started wanting to identify as "non-binary." As a bit of advice, it is always wise to doubt any wholesale re-analysis of the world when it just so happens to align with the interests, desires, or overall agenda of the person telling you about how the world should be analyzed.
Same society as always: humans that haven’t changed in thousands of years. Read up.
In February 2022, Texas governor Greg Abbott issued a letter to the Department of Family and Protective Services directing the state agency to investigate medical treatments for transgender adolescents—such as puberty blockers and hormones—as child abuse.
This article also tells transformation of Kim Shappley's world view.
Kimberly teamed up with Equality Texas, a statewide organization that advocates for LGBTQ+ Texans and parents of transgender children. During a press conference, Kimberly spoke to LGBTQ+ Texans directly, asking for forgiveness: “I’m sorry for every time I plucked a Bible verse out of context and I hurt you with it,” she said. “I was a hateful reflection of a loving God.”
So why do we have more gays and lesbians among the young population today than ever before if they are forced to identify as trans?
Why are there so many young trans people who are either attracted to people with the opposite sex of their natal sex, or not sexually attracted to anyone, if they were gay and lesbian before their transition?
And why do they want to go through all this, given discrimination against trans people is so much worse than discrimination against gays and lesbians?
How many people do you actually know you need to worry about as far as this trans/gay thing goes? I have nobody in my world where any of that is some probem, they simply live a normal life. My suggestion is don't worry about it.
You guys here go and on about it, why? What am I missing?
Apparently Thomas did that in the Penn locker room as well. I read a NY Post article that stated "Thomas would often walk around naked...and 'she' was still attracted to women, if you know what I mean"
How many people do you actually know you need to worry about as far as this trans/gay thing goes? I have nobody in my world where any of that is some probem, they simply live a normal life. My suggestion is don't worry about it.
You guys here go and on about it, why? What am I missing?
Have you heard of this poem?
First they came for the communists. I didn't speak out because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the socialists. I didn't speak out because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists. I didn't speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews. I didn't speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me... and there was no one left to speak for me.
It is unusual for a Trans and Trans Youth to speak candidly with each other, sharing their respective and unique journeys. We present Michelle Sheppard inter...
How many people do you actually know you need to worry about as far as this trans/gay thing goes? I have nobody in my world where any of that is some probem, they simply live a normal life. My suggestion is don't worry about it.
You guys here go and on about it, why? What am I missing?
But of course, Kai is not allowed to speak for herself, because she is a minor, right? And her mother doesn't have credibility because she used to be homophobic.
So who are we supposed to believe?
Oh c'mon. Time and again, Kai's mother Kimberly has recounted in press interviews and public talks that starting when Kai was a baby, he displayed what she felt were "feminine" and "female" characteristics that caused her to suspect Kai might be gay. Kim Shappley grew up as such a dyed-in-the-wool homophobe that the prospect of having a son who others might regard as "effeminate" and "girly" - and who might grow up to be gay one day- horrified and terrified her. "This cannot happen, this will not happen," she said she vowed at the time.
Prior to deciding that her son must actually be a female child who somehow ended up "born in the wrong body," Kai's mum spent years subjecting the poor little boy to cruel, punishing behaviors on a daily basis. These included shaming the child for liking toys and clothes and having personality traits she considered "wrong" for boys; beating him; banishing him to the naughty corner or his room; casting him out of her sight; taking away all and any playthings he liked that she thought weren't sufficiently masculine; telling Kai's daycare center to "put away every girly toy" when Kai was there; forcing him to wear "boy clothes" he hated; buzz-cutting his hair off; and religiously trying to "pray away the gay" in her son. Kai's mother also filled little Kai with so much self-hatred for being a boy who happened to show a liking for "girl things" that she says she'd overhear him praying for his life to be over when he was only 2 and 3.
But of course, Kai is not allowed to speak for herself, because she is a minor, right? And her mother doesn't have credibility because she used to be homophobic.
So who are we supposed to believe?
Oh c'mon. Time and again, Kai's mother Kimberly has recounted in press interviews and public talks that starting when Kai was a baby, he displayed what she felt were "feminine" and "female" characteristics that caused her to suspect Kai might be gay. Kim Shappley grew up as such a dyed-in-the-wool homophobe that the prospect of having a son who others might regard as "effeminate" and "girly" - and who might grow up to be gay one day- horrified and terrified her. "This cannot happen, this will not happen," she said she vowed at the time.
Prior to deciding that her son must actually be a female child who somehow ended up "born in the wrong body," Kai's mum spent years subjecting the poor little boy to cruel, punishing behaviors on a daily basis. These included shaming the child for liking toys and clothes and having personality traits she considered "wrong" for boys; beating him; banishing him to the naughty corner or his room; casting him out of her sight; taking away all and any playthings he liked that she thought weren't sufficiently masculine; telling Kai's daycare center to "put away every girly toy" when Kai was there; forcing him to wear "boy clothes" he hated; buzz-cutting his hair off; and religiously trying to "pray away the gay" in her son. Kai's mother also filled little Kai with so much self-hatred for being a boy who happened to show a liking for "girl things" that she says she'd overhear him praying for his life to be over when he was only 2 and 3.
Read the Vogue article I linked above (if such a mundane thing is not beneath you), and report back to me.
Online, I found a secret Facebook community of Christian moms of LGBTQ kids. It's a beautiful group with a combined total of more than 2,000 moms now. I found women who would pray with me and for me. I found a group of the least judgmental and loving Christian women I have met. They make me brave. I felt like I was armed with a new understanding of scripture. I had the support of other moms like me, who had been through the same thing I was going through.
So the family all gets together eventually the girls get into their thing as the guys head out to play some football. All except Little Johnny he wants to hang with the girls, not wanting to hurt Little Johnny's feelings it's, ok ok come on. The guys are thinking what about Little Johnny?
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In November, 2002, the Gay Men’s Network - which describes itself as "a not-for-profit grassroots organisation dedicated to fighting homophobia in all its forms and advocating for the interests of male homosexuals" - issued a long report as part of the UK's public consultation process on the interim specialist services proposed by the NHS for the treatment of children and teens with sex and gender distress following the shut-down of the national Gender Identity Development Service at the Tavistock clinic.
The Gay Men's Network report says:
The homophobia experienced by young people can come in many forms; their own, growing realisation of their difference from others, homophobic bullying from peers, the cultural or religious setting in which the young person is being raised, familial disapproval and, as we will argue, the idea of gender identity which drives the field of gender medicine, is itself inherently homophobic.
Indeed, this form of homophobia has been identified several times as a safeguarding risk at the Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service (‘GIDS’).
We have analysed the ISS [interim service specifications for treatment of gender and sex distressed youth that have been proposed by the NHS] from a desire to ensure that homophobia is not allowed to become a driver for young people experiencing either gender incongruence or gender dysphoria.
From the perspective of advocating for homosexual males, we seek to protect young people who might otherwise grow up to be homosexual, from being set upon an irreversible, medical pathway either as a means of escaping the experiences of homophobia or because of it.
Appendix 1 of the report, starting on page 12, provides a "Chronological Schedule of incidents at the Tavistock [youth gender clinic] tending to suggest institutional homophobia"
Of course, Gay Men's Network is the most objective and unbiased source on this issue, while not a single word from trans advocates should be trusted, right?
Wut? The very first line of the post of mine you're responding to says very clearly that Gay Men's Network is an advocacy group that comes to this issue from the particular POV of homosexual men whose focus is fighting homophobia and advancing the interests of male homosexuals.
No one is saying GMN are the most objective and unbiased source on this issue. Nor would I say that.
I wouldn't even say that GMN reflects the views of all or most gay men on this issue.
Just as there is no unanimity amongst the so-called "LGBTQ+" over the issue of whether males like Lia Thoma - and Darren Merager, Hannah Mouncey and Rachel Glines - should be given access to girls' and women's locker rooms, there is also no hive mind about gender identity ideology, transgenderism and males in in female spaces and sports amongst gay men, lesbian women, bisexual people and people who identify as trans. Just as there isn't agreement about these matters amongst the general population.
When it comes to the many extreme things being done and demanded in the name of "trans rights" nowadays, I believe the views of all groups of people in society who are or might be affected need to be taken into account - regardless of how objective or partisan they/we are.
Whereas you seem to believe that only a few of the groups involved and affected should get a say.
Online, I found a secret Facebook community of Christian moms of LGBTQ kids. It's a beautiful group with a combined total of more than 2,000 moms now. I found women who would pray with me and for me. I found a group of the least judgmental and loving Christian women I have met. They make me brave. I felt like I was armed with a new understanding of scripture. I had the support of other moms like me, who had been through the same thing I was going through.
Christian moms of LGBTQ kids? is that Homophobic?
I feel like a “secret group” of people you met online and convinced/encouraged you to do anything would be considered weird or sinister if the thing encouraged was not “push your kids into gender madness.”
Online, I found a secret Facebook community of Christian moms of LGBTQ kids. It's a beautiful group with a combined total of more than 2,000 moms now. I found women who would pray with me and for me. I found a group of the least judgmental and loving Christian women I have met. They make me brave. I felt like I was armed with a new understanding of scripture. I had the support of other moms like me, who had been through the same thing I was going through.
Christian moms of LGBTQ kids? is that Homophobic?
More from Kimberley Shappley's account in that 2017 article in Good Housekeeping:
I was raised as a devout, conservative Christian with strong Republican values in the South. It's a place where being different can not only be unforgiving, but unsafe. I was, and am, an active member of our local church. I used to lead a small ministry teaching Bible study, and I didn't support or condone those living the LGBTQ lifestyle. That was just part of the Christian makeup I'd been brought up to believe. I knew I'd instill those same principles in my children.
But all of my beliefs and convictions were brought into question when, at 18 months old, Kai began exhibiting very strong female characteristics.
From the moment my child was born, everything about Kai was geared toward femininity. Kai would pull T-shirts down around [his] waist to make them into skirts. [He] would tie long-sleeved shirts around [his] head and pretend like it was long hair.
I tried so hard to force Kai into wearing clothes with camouflage and superhero patterns, and I even gave [him] severe, flat-top haircuts.
Shortly after Kai turned 2, friends and family were starting to notice [his] behavior. Living in Pearland, Texas, that meant we were getting a lot of sidelong glances and questions. Kai would only play with girls and girls' toys. Kai said boys were "gross." Family members were flat-out asking me if this kid was gay. It made me nervous, and I was constantly worried about what people would think of me, of us and of my parenting.
By the time Kai was 3 1/2 years old... [Kai] was verbalizing that he was a girl at least six times a day.
Well, duh. If a small boy is constantly told by his extremely sexist, homophobic and apparently controlling mother that all the playthings and clothes he likes - and many of the personality traits he displays - are "girly" and "for girls" only, then chances are that he's eventually going to conclude that he himself must really be a girl.
It's also very likely that he'll start telling his mum and the other adults in his life who have power over him that he's a girl too because that's the only way he can figure that he might have a chance of being allowed to play with the toys he likes, socialize with the kids he likes and wear the clothes and hairstyles he likes.
In the case of Kai specifically, the unfortunate child most likely concluded that if he started saying he's a girl and really stuck to his guns about it, then maybe the painful shaming, beatings, yelling, time outs and punishments he'd been getting on the daily at the hands of his mother for being the wrong sort of boy would finally stop too. Which apparently they did.
Indeed, Kai's status changed enormously: he went from being the bad little boy his mother was ashamed of and said was bound for hell to being the wondrous, angelic, golden "trans girl" his mother was proud of - so proud that she'd make a point of constantly trotting out and flaunting her "special child" on social media and in public like a proverbial show pony.
What's more, once she had a "trans daughter" to show off, Kim Shappley's own life and identity changed in ways that markedly improved her earthly existence and made her days a lot more interesting, lively and more lucrative.
As she transitioned Kai from her embarrassingly "girly" son who might possibly turn out to be gay when grown up - the horror! the horror! - into her beloved pretend daughter whom she could pass off not just as a conventionally "feminine" stereotypical "girly girl," but hopefully as her apparently heterosexual daughter too, Kim Shappley was magically transformed as well. She went from being a nobody church-going conservative Christian bible thumper quick to condemn gay people to eternal hellfire and damnation to suddenly being an apparently broad-minded, progressive, liberal magnanimous champion of the "the LGBTQ" who was now a minor celebrity giving media interviews and hired to do speaking gigs too.
Also, soon after turning her troublesome son Kai into her celebrated "trans daughter," Kim Shappley immediately got head shots of the kid taken, started shopping Kai's photos and reels around, and finally signed up Kai with talent agencies so that Kai could get acting and modeling gigs. Ker-ching, ker-ching.
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