January 6 Hearing

Never a discussion of the facts and arguments.

The usual torrent of emotional adjectives accompanying the J card.

Fits every situation. Never expires

Which Republicans were the most responsible for saving out democracy.

Raffensperger - If he had caved to the pressure our democracy would be a thing of the past. Cipollone and his legal team of Trump lawyers were instrumental.

Certainly Pence and even Barr withstood the attacks to defend democracy. Pence finally did the right thing but Pence and Barr helped allow the monster Trump to until they finally realized what a monster he had become. So it's hard to give them too much credit for just doing their jobs.

I think Pence and Barr also knew that they would very likely end up in prison if they went along with the failing Trumpsurrection.

One way to look at this is to say that Trump was very effective in controlling and coopting DC politicians and officials. He was able to corrupt almost all of them. Congressmen, senators, officials, civil servants, etc.

But once he tried messing in the states, he failed nearly 100%. State officials, even strongly pro-Trump officials, refused en masse to play at Trump's coup. Really, he got almost no help in the states.

Reassuring, I think. Let's hope the violent right wingers don't push their coupsters into office in the states.

Also, a pat on the back to the USA's federal system, with its semi-autonomous states. A more centrally governed nation might have folded and submitted to the coup.

Not necessarily in response to the previous poster, just to add to what I’ve been saying. Voters don’t care about this. “It’s the economy, stupid.”

voters in one of the swingiest of swing districts aren’t focused on these hearings because they can’t afford to.

npr.org

Are the Jan. 6 hearings impacting how people vote? Here's what voters in Virginia say

Ahead of Virginia's statewide primaries, we visit the 7th Congressional District, which is slated to be a close contest in November. And we ask voters about the impact of the Jan. 6 hearings.

Link:www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106255998/are-...

Amazing how carmine gets to come in here and spew nonsense and my posts get deleted because I used a curse word.

Also trump voters don’t care he tried to steal the election. In fact many of them hope and will encourage Republican electorates to try and steal the next one. Like it or not but the future of this country is fascism. Mark. My. Words.

You know what's stupid? A country that lets common and temporary changes in the economy distract them in the least bit from serious and ongoing threats to its fundamental principles.

No one is starving in America because of inflation or gas prices. The vast majority of people are living a lifestyle at or pretty close to what they were previously. And the down time will pass. "Economic stress" is an excuse we give to the undeserving citizens of an unprincipled country. You know, like the kind of country that would want DJT as their president.

Yeah, this is exactly what I meant when I said those who think these hearings are pointless don't care about American democracy

You can agree that the hearings are necessary while also simultaneously understanding that they are overblown and have been structured as political theater. This is what the article addresses. People care about democracy, but it’s hard to care more about a concept than you’re bank account.

The other issue is that I hear so much about how these hearings will change peoples votes. “How can you vote for republicans after January 6th”, they ask. All I’m doing is pointing out is that the average person doesn’t care as much about this as you want them to. They care more about the things that impact them directly. Is that short sighted? Maybe. Is it wrong to blame one administration for all of it? Maybe. But when you’re the party in power, you get the blame.

Ginger Mint

Are you speaking as an "average person" or do you presume to know what matters to them? What I do hear is that the attack on American democracy doesn't matter much to you.

it won't be fascism....but it will be something less than the high-quality democracy we have now. Contested elections, sporadic violence on election day, assassinations, even more dirty tricks than now, intimidation, journalists threatened, etc.

All because one man, Donald J Trump, was a good enough salesman to convince tens of millions lies and truth are indistinguishable so just whatever he says.

One guy severely damaged 200+ years of American democracy. Oof.

These voters seem to care about these hearing. These Trump voters care enough to break the law to try to stop these hearings from happening.

washingtonpost.com

Lawmakers on Jan. 6 committee ramp up their security as threats increase

All lawmakers on the committee are likely to receive a security detail, according to three people involved with the investigation.

Link:www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/0...

and lots of nullification, with states and municipalities, mostly from the Confederacy, simply refusing to go along with Federal laws and orders.

here, for example is the AZ Trumpist candidate for Governor saying nullication is totally valid and appropriate. Instead of letting the Supreme Court decide what is unconstitutional...Trumpists will decide on their own.

Kari Lake for AZ Governor
@KariLake
When I’m Governor, Arizona will not recognize unconstitutional Gun Laws in our state. We just won’t do it.
What are the Feds going to do? Fly down here and arrest a sitting Governor? Call my bluff.

I. THINK BARR DESCRIBED IT BEST.

Nothing in your long-winded post can be constituted as evidence of anything. It’s just a bunch of vague allegations. Can you show thousands of mail-in ballots in which people voted for Trump but were counted for Biden? Can you provide the names of the thousands of illegals and deceased people that voted for Biden? Can you show us ballots for Biden that were counted multiple times. Mail-in ballots need to be certified and matched to an address. Can you show ballots that were altered illegally to subvert the certification process?

During the hearing yesterday, Rusty Bowers, Repub Speaker of the AZ House of Representatives, testified that multiple times he asked Giuliani and Jenna Ellis for evidence of fraud, but none was ever provided. That’s because there was none.

If you are so confident there was fraud then show us something specific and concrete that will hold up as evidence in a court of law. Something a little more tangible than "statistical anomalies". 18 months now for the Trumpsters to come up with evidence and still nothing.

Only suitcases they found were from white house staffing packing up to leave the white house. They knew that Orangeman lost.

You might want to read my post again.

After crow barring your mind open.

The fact is that the votes added to Biden in the days after the election are not possible. Per statitistics