You should always control what happens in the space inside your body. There really is no such thing as privacy if the government can legislate for what happens there.
Says the guy who probably never met a vaccine mandate he didn't love
There are many ways to avoid being pregnant without ending a life. Not having sex, vasectomies and hysterectomies are almost foolproof ways to not get pregnant.
True. So, if you see sterilization as a viable option that women should be free to choose, I assume you are appalled whenever you hear about them being coerced or denied that choice.
Of Ob/Gyns surveyed in the US in 2011 (doi:10.1093/humrep/deq289):
2% refuse to help their patients get tubal ligation (far less extreme than hysterectomy)
9-70% would attempt to dissuade their patient from ligation based on how many pregnancies/children she's already had (because they know what she wants better than she does?)
59% would discourage a 26-year-old whose husband did not want her to get a tubal ligation (because she needs permission to not bear children that she doesn't want to bear?)
The rot of society dictating to women what they can and should do with their bodies runs DEEP.
I am a father of daughters. If one gets pregnant after a night at a frat party, I’d like her to have easy access to a safe and legal abortion as a backup to any birth control they may be using.
Unfortunately, one is going to school in a red state they may very well ban abortions.
I am prepared for her to keep it. But I’d like the option available to them.
There are many ways to avoid being pregnant without ending a life. Not having sex, vasectomies and hysterectomies are almost foolproof ways to not get pregnant.
But these are all things you do before you are pregnant. What if you actually are pregnant and don't want to be?
You should always control what happens in the space inside your body. There really is no such thing as privacy if the government can legislate for what happens there.
If there is a person living in the privacy of your own house, do you have the right to kill them because you no longer want them to live there? I don't know that the right to privacy extends to the right to take a human life. On the other hand, there are plenty of ways to prevent the creation of that life. I will reiterate the case in question was about a Mississippi law that dealt with abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy (when a child in the womb has a beating heart, moves freely and can respond to stimuli).
From a policy standpoint abortion has been extremely ineffective in preventing unwanted births. Out of wedlock births increased dramatically after abortion became legal (primarily because the perceived risk of out of wedlock sex was lower).
Yes, Black Lives Matter! Blacks are only 12% of the population but make up 40% of abortions. Save the black babies!!! Don’t let the Democrats kill anymore black babies! The democrats have been the party of racism for nearly 200 years. Their goal has always been to enslave and population control black people. They’re pure evil party!
Who is this talking point supposed to be geared towards? You think you're helping black people out by taking away their ability to choose to have an abortion? You think black people are "enslave(d)" by freedom to make a choice about the size and timing of their family? And yet you can't figure out why black people won't vote for Republicans.
Yes, Black Lives Matter! Blacks are only 12% of the population but make up 40% of abortions. Save the black babies!!! Don’t let the Democrats kill anymore black babies! The democrats have been the party of racism for nearly 200 years. Their goal has always been to enslave and population control black people. They’re pure evil party!
Who is this talking point supposed to be geared towards?
Perhaps it's not a talking point, but a dose of Truth, which remains True regardless of what you think of its political expediency.
Being against anti-abortion laws because you don’t think law should tell women what to do with their bodies is an incoherent and inconsistent position. It’s incoherent because law, by its very definition, is a regulation of what humans can and cannot do with their own bodies. Listing examples is unnecessary because of how trivial it is. It’s inconsistent because people who generally defend abortion on such grounds are often not complete anarchists, but rather just have opinions on what laws they think are just and unjust.
Even if the statement was restricted to speak only of medical procedures, it is no more coherent. Society, through law, is deeply concerned with the health, well-being, and safety of its citizens. In fact, one of the fundamental reasons why society exists in the first place is to provide the conditions in which human beings can flourish beyond what they can do on their own. So to say that the law should be unconcerned with, or should not be permitted to regulate the private medical procedures of its citizens also misses the nature of law. Besides, most people who are pro-abortion are also pro-vaccine mandates, so this too is inconsistent.
Laws aren’t bad because they regulate what people can or cannot do. They are bad because of the manner in which they regulate what people can or cannot do. If you think abortion is morally justified then say so! Don’t hide behind “the government can’t control women’s bodies”. They can and do all the time, and I bet even the staunchest advocate for abortion would recognize this at the end of the day.
Now there will likely a bigger rift in culture wars with each state. This is not going to help unify the nation.
I support the right of women to choose to get an abortion in the first trimester. Education and availability of birth control should be widely available to decrease the number of abortions.
If you don't want to get an abortion, don't get one.
Amazingly my beautiful wife was able to get her DDS and do an advanced residency without ever having an abortion. She makes more money than I do (most years) and is an excellent mother. And if you didn’t see my previous posts, out of wedlock births are much higher post Roe v Wade than they were before. Seems like the crowd that wants to see women suffer is the pro choice crowd.
Since every day is now Throwback Thursday, the Supreme Court might as well repeal women's voting rights.
What's the end game? Get women out the workplace and back into the kitchen?
Have you read the draft opinion, or do you know the legal grounds for why it ruled the way it did? I actually haven’t read the entire thing, but the reason why I’m asking is because abortion is generally defended on substantive due process grounds under the 14th Amendment (like in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey). From what I can tell, the holding of the opinion is actually quite narrow and limited to the issue of abortion itself, and the majority states that other substantive due process rights are not affected in any way by this case. As a side note, women’s right to vote comes from an entirely different amendment passed over 50 years after the 14th Amendment and has nothing to do with substantive due process. Not that it matters.
This is just another way our democracy is failing.
5/9 of the court were appointed by Presidents who couldn't even win the popular vote.
1/9 were seats stolen by Mitch McConnell.
In just another 20 years, 70% of of the senate will be chosen by 30% of the people. Those senators, will, of course, prefer to make laws and confirm judges that share their rural, right wing world view.
The increasing masses in the cities will be less and less represented.
Hopefully some sanity returns and this doesn't all blow up.
For every Wyoming, there is a Rhode Island. For every North Dakota, there is a Delaware. There are just as many small liberal states as small conservative states. The Senate is not out of balance-nor will it be in 20 years.
We live in a republic, not a democracy. If it were up to a popular vote, California would vote to take all of Colorado's water. And they'd win 80-20. Thankfully, we live in a republic, not a democracy.
Since every day is now Throwback Thursday, the Supreme Court might as well repeal women's voting rights.
What's the end game? Get women out the workplace and back into the kitchen?
Have you read the draft opinion, or do you know the legal grounds for why it ruled the way it did? I actually haven’t read the entire thing, but the reason why I’m asking is because abortion is generally defended on substantive due process grounds under the 14th Amendment (like in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey). From what I can tell, the holding of the opinion is actually quite narrow and limited to the issue of abortion itself, and the majority states that other substantive due process rights are not affected in any way by this case. As a side note, women’s right to vote comes from an entirely different amendment passed over 50 years after the 14th Amendment and has nothing to do with substantive due process. Not that it matters.
What is the Supreme court saying? They got it wrong for the last half-century?
That's all the proof you need that this is political haymaking. But Republicans are tossing matches on the haystack.
Overturning Roe vs. Wade is not just an affront to democratic principles, it's myopic.
Obama seemed to touch the high points... and closes with a call to action.
Here’s my statement with Michelle on the draft Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. pic.twitter.com/xBJJkLYGlQ
Yes, Black Lives Matter! Blacks are only 12% of the population but make up 40% of abortions. Save the black babies!!! Don’t let the Democrats kill anymore black babies! The democrats have been the party of racism for nearly 200 years. Their goal has always been to enslave and population control black people. They’re pure evil party!
Who is this talking point supposed to be geared towards? You think you're helping black people out by taking away their ability to choose to have an abortion? You think black people are "enslave(d)" by freedom to make a choice about the size and timing of their family? And yet you can't figure out why black people won't vote for Republicans.
Planned parenthood was started by a person who believed in eugenics - someone who did not want black people to reproduce. This is a documented fact.
In a world where everything is called racist, somehow the actually racist planned parenthood escapes the label. Shows how brainwashed people are.
