Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

and another coach wrote:

What? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

BTW, you can spot a racist when someone calls black people "blacks."

BTW BLM....😹

BLM Inc.

Hambo wrote:

agip wrote:

gee another 'make the libs cry' post

WTF. I’m helping cool the planet.

How are you doing your part today to keep the scam going?

and yet another effort to make the libs cry, using the word 'scam'

but you broke a little, right at the end there, asking about policy just a teeny tiny bit

agip wrote:

Hambo wrote:

WTF. I’m helping cool the planet.

How are you doing your part today to keep the scam going?

and yet another effort to make the libs cry, using the word 'scam'

but you broke a little, right at the end there, asking about policy just a teeny tiny bit

So you are not doing your part to keep the scam going? What about the children? Who speaks for them?

Hambo wrote:

agip wrote:

and yet another effort to make the libs cry, using the word 'scam'

but you broke a little, right at the end there, asking about policy just a teeny tiny bit

So you are not doing your part to keep the scam going? What about the children? Who speaks for them?

Another make the libs cry post.

It’s all they’ve got.

There are no more conservatives in the USA.

agip wrote:

Hambo wrote:

So you are not doing your part to keep the scam going? What about the children? Who speaks for them?

Another make the libs cry post.

It’s all they’ve got.

There are no more conservatives in the USA.

There are a few conservatives left. But they believe in traditional conservative values like conservation. In other words, they agree that we need to solve the climate crisis before it's too late.

Trumpers, on the other hand, only care about themselves. Facing the climate crisis requires them to think. That's too hard for a Trumper so they just call it a scam and move on.

agip wrote:

Hambo wrote:

I am.

I’m going leave my lawnmower running all day. 😂😂

proving again that there are no more conservatives in this country

just people trying to own the libs every day

Why would it prove that? Of course there are still conservative non-Trumpers in America. Not NEARLY enough, but Trump didn't reveal EVERY so-called conservative to be fake, un-principled idiots. Just MOST of them, unfortunately. I count myself in the far-too-small group.

Fat hurts wrote:

There are a few conservatives left. But they believe in traditional conservative values like conservation. In other words, they agree that we need to solve the climate crisis before it's too late.

Trumpers, on the other hand, only care about themselves. Facing the climate crisis requires them to think. That's too hard for a Trumper so they just call it a scam and move on.

What happened to the Global Warming Initiative? Why did they need to change the name?

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Wow. Don’t you see even a hint of racism in this post? You must know you are not posting facts, so it’s not because of ignorance.. it is really racism. Dude wtf?

You swallow the BLM narrative and think it is something positive. Of course what I posted is true. Systemic racism is not a fact, it is a phony cover-up, and excuse for decades of failed Democratic policies. Crap administered cities and states. Education that has failed those it was suppose to advance. Joe and Kamala are advancing every idiotic woke program in the liberal agenda.

I've viewed claims of "systemic racism" with skepticism for decades. It is probably objectively true that many D-led cities have done poorly (education included) for a long time. I'm certainly not a liberal.

But until folks like you (Trumpers, Rs, so-called conservatives, anti-libs) disavow a party, people, and leaders who tried to erase democracy in the U.S. (among a few dozen other terrible, "un-American" things), just S.T.F.U. Seriously. You have NO credibility to quibble with liberal policies. You think you do, but you don't. Again, STFU.

What is the conservative agenda now?

Is it just the three wedge issues?

Guns

God

Abortion

Lower taxes?

Anything else?

Honest question. What is the agenda of US conservatives right now?

agip wrote:

What is the conservative agenda now?

Is it just the three wedge issues?

Guns

God

Abortion

Lower taxes?

Anything else?

Honest question. What is the agenda of US conservatives right now?

Why would you think that I know or care what the "conservative agenda" is in the US? (if that's even something that can be objectively established in the first place?)

I'm not a R, and I don't associate myself with any other political or social group. I'm a US citizen with opinions about issues. All told, the breakdown probably puts me on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

It seems something might be amiss with the way you necessarily view other people, at least politically.

nonequals wrote:

agip wrote:

What is the conservative agenda now?

Is it just the three wedge issues?

Guns

God

Abortion

Lower taxes?

Anything else?

Honest question. What is the agenda of US conservatives right now?

Why would you think that I know or care what the "conservative agenda" is in the US? (if that's even something that can be objectively established in the first place?)

I'm not a R, and I don't associate myself with any other political or social group. I'm a US citizen with opinions about issues. All told, the breakdown probably puts me on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

It seems something might be amiss with the way you necessarily view other people, at least politically.

I don’t understand your strong reaction.

Seems a solid basic core necessary question.

I didn’t mention party labels for a reason.

I think trying to piece together what the conservative agenda is in America is a fine and quality pursuit.

Why is it not? What does my curiosity seem amiss?

nonequals wrote:

agip wrote:

What is the conservative agenda now?

Is it just the three wedge issues?

Guns

God

Abortion

Lower taxes?

Anything else?

Honest question. What is the agenda of US conservatives right now?

Why would you think that I know or care what the "conservative agenda" is in the US? (if that's even something that can be objectively established in the first place?)

I'm not a R, and I don't associate myself with any other political or social group. I'm a US citizen with opinions about issues. All told, the breakdown probably puts me on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

It seems something might be amiss with the way you necessarily view other people, at least politically.

But just for the hell of it, to perhaps further clarify that there are "non-binary" citizens out there, here's where I happen to stand on the stuff you listed:

Guns - Some additional forms of gun control are almost certainly defensible. Never owned one. If I did, I wouldn't live in fear of someone taking it away from me.

God - Love to believe it, but don't.

Abortion - At least later on, you're killing a little baby that hasn't made it out, yet. Called "murder" on the other side. We don't allow mothers to make that decision when it's a day old, so not sure why they get it a day or a week or a month prior.

Taxes - Arbitrary, of course. Both sides can easily end up sounding like idiots. For current Rs, it would be REALLY nice if they realized that a given tax rate is infinitely less important than DEMOCRACY, or HONESTY, or BASIC DECENCY, or.......

What is with it always comes down to Trump? Erase democracy? Seriously? You are seriously deranged. And no, I will not, as you say STFU. Clean up your vocabulary while you are at it.

agip wrote:

nonequals wrote:

Why would you think that I know or care what the "conservative agenda" is in the US? (if that's even something that can be objectively established in the first place?)

I'm not a R, and I don't associate myself with any other political or social group. I'm a US citizen with opinions about issues. All told, the breakdown probably puts me on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

It seems something might be amiss with the way you necessarily view other people, at least politically.

I don’t understand your strong reaction.

Seems a solid basic core necessary question.

I didn’t mention party labels for a reason.

I think trying to piece together what the conservative agenda is in America is a fine and quality pursuit.

Why is it not? What does my curiosity seem amiss?

I don't know that it's a "strong reaction." But it is kind of a "WTF" reaction? And if you read my reply carefully, I don't understand why you'd need to ask this again? Again, I'm not in any way responsible for knowing or caring about any American group's "agenda." If I had associated myself with some group, it would. But I didn't, so it doesn't.

I'm just a thoroughly "non-aligned" citizen....with opinions. And that surely describes a heck of a lot of Americans.

Ok I see what made you mad.

You thought I was trying to pigeonhole you, as an individual.

I was speaking more broadly. A party platform, a legislative program, a way to look at the world.

What do conservatives want to do to the country right now?

Used to be clear. Simple. We all know what Reagan wanted.

They’ve tossed much of that overboard and are something else now - enemies of free trade, friends with dictators, anti-business,anti-NATO,

Dismissive of character in leaders, etc.

I don’t care what you think about god guns and abortion.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I've viewed claims of "systemic racism" with skepticism for decades. It is probably objectively true that many D-led cities have done poorly (education included) for a long time. I'm certainly not a liberal.

But until folks like you (Trumpers, Rs, so-called conservatives, anti-libs) disavow a party, people, and leaders who tried to erase democracy in the U.S. (among a few dozen other terrible, "un-American" things), just S.T.F.U. Seriously. You have NO credibility to quibble with liberal policies. You think you do, but you don't. Again, STFU.

What is with it always comes down to Trump? Erase democracy? Seriously? You are seriously deranged. And no, I will not, as you say STFU. Clean up your vocabulary while you are at it.

Anyone can throw around words. Deranged. Funny. You watched Trump and his party and his supporters clearly and explicitly try to steal the US presidency. And you pretend it didn't happen. And call other people names for admitting that it did. You are worthy of nothing better than STFU.

nonequals wrote:

Again, I'm not in any way responsible for knowing or caring about any American group's "agenda." If I had associated myself with some group, it would. But I didn't, so it doesn't.

I'm just a thoroughly "non-aligned" citizen....with opinions. And that surely describes a heck of a lot of Americans.

In a representative democracy we do ultimately have to pick between finite choices. Given that we are a virtual two party system those choices in today's environment are pretty stark. Understanding what issues are key to nominally swing voters seems a rather more interesting than yet another mindless exchange of hyper-partisan insults.

To Agip's wedge issues list I get the guns, God, abortion dynamic even if I might personally disagree on principle, discount their importance, and (mostly) see them as cynical efforts to carve out a voter base of the single issue electorate by those who otherwise have little interest in materially affecting those issues. But, to your point nuanced policy differences are irrelevant relative to broad acceptance of fundamentally anti-democracy by a party and a significant part of the electorate.

From what I'm seeing of your writing, I think that it would do you well to "somewhat care" (more specifically, understand) what assorted views a person can, in fact, hold. Because it might allow you to better understand that there are far more than two groups in this country. As always. There is no one single conservative identity or group anymore than there is one liberal of either. I know that you'd say that you do, of course, fully understand this. But when you ask (me), "What is the agenda of US conservatives right now? it suggests that maybe you don't ENTIRELY.

On this site, one mostly sees this from the Trumpers, who think that anyone who isn't a Trumper is a "lib." Ridiculous, of course. But then I also sometimes see if from the other side.

Of course, it IS true that there are only two PARTIES. What they stand for clearly matters and is clearly definable. People don't vote for "conservatives" or "liberals." They do vote for Ds and Rs. And yes, the R party doesn't stand for much good right now.....and a lot of bad.

nonequals wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

What is with it always comes down to Trump? Erase democracy? Seriously? You are seriously deranged. And no, I will not, as you say STFU. Clean up your vocabulary while you are at it.

Anyone can throw around words. Deranged. Funny. You watched Trump and his party and his supporters clearly and explicitly try to steal the US presidency. And you pretend it didn't happen. And call other people names for admitting that it did. You are worthy of nothing better than STFU.

You are probably a guilt ridden White millennial, now on some form of government subsistence. You have nothing better to do than post the worn out narrative of Trump and systemic racism. Your time would be better spent in activities of a positive nature, rather than negatives memes that fuel your wasted energy.