No Comment... wrote:
L.A Times comments not working for me. Any idea how to fix this. Tries Firefox, Chrome etc and no dice.
Yup, I don't even see any links to go to comments so I was a bit sceptical
No Comment... wrote:
L.A Times comments not working for me. Any idea how to fix this. Tries Firefox, Chrome etc and no dice.
Yup, I don't even see any links to go to comments so I was a bit sceptical
No Comment... wrote:
L.A Times comments not working for me. Any idea how to fix this. Tries Firefox, Chrome etc and no dice.
I can read all the comments. Are you saying it won't let you comment?
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
No Comment... wrote:
L.A Times comments not working for me. Any idea how to fix this. Tries Firefox, Chrome etc and no dice.
Yup, I don't even see any links to go to comments so I was a bit sceptical
EKW, you were posting on the comments, correct?
Sorry, NM. I was looking at the EKW comments for MI website, no LA Times.
You have to go to the end of the article and click the red "comments" box.
brooklyn123 wrote:
Markfnmurray wrote:
Scott, your direct personal experience is very helpful in providing a fuller perspective on who Dr. Frank Meza is. I don't think there is any doubt that Dr. Meza has made many wonderful contributions to his community--both in the medical field as well as in the running community. Thank you for this perspective.
However, it is equally clear that, while Dr. Meza appears to have had many legitimate running accomplishments over the years; accomplishments that he--or anyone his age--should take great pride in; there is ample, indisputable evidence that he did not run the complete course during at least 6 marathons since 2014, including the 2019 LA Marathon, the 2019 Sprouts-Phoenix Marathon.
Dr. Meza may well be capable of running under 3 hours for a complete marathon, but he did not do that at these two marathons in 2019, or at the other 4 marathons that have been analyzed.
It is noble and important for Dr. Meza's friends and colleagues to rally around and help him at this time. For what it's worth, I think one of the ways to help him would be to assist Dr. Meza to confront how and why he was unable to complete the full courses while claiming that he did.
His failure to honestly confront, explain, and offer amends for the marathons which he clearly did not complete, is undercutting his previous running accomplishments, and well deserved reputation as a leader in his community.
Marathons are tough. Maybe he got caught up in the moment. Maybe there are issues that would help explain this lapse in judgement. I hope Dr. Meza is able to honestly confront this. I think if he does, his many friends and accomplishments will help him to get past it.
Hi. This "Scott Dominguez" is a troll. Copied and pasted from the LA Time message board.
All good that you're being diplomatic and on the side that he cheated
Nevertheless, you stated: "However, it is equally clear that, while Dr. Meza appears to have had many legitimate running accomplishments over the years; accomplishments that he--or anyone his age--should take great pride in"
Really?! Frankly, we don't have ANY assurances that he has ANY accomplishments. None. Only real result that can be verified as being within his athletic ability and for his age is the over 4 hour run at the age of 59 in 2008's Boston Marathon. That's it. In fact, there's plenty of smoke that he cheated his way into a BQ at the 2007 Santa Clarita Marathon (i.e., First 5 mile split @ 6:02 pace (
https://www.runraceresults.com/secure/raceresults.cfm?id=rcew2007) to get him into the 2008 Boston Marathon. If Marathon Investigation was around then, he may have been flagged at Santa Clarita 2007 and exposed before this madness began. I think the light-bulb went off in his head: "Hey, this is easy to do and I get so much attention that it's worth the risk". Man, he didn't even flinch when DQ'd twice and then banned from CIM. That would be traumatic to any runner let alone a "world class athlete" (snark) like the Doc. I would beg that race to place a spotter with me, I would share my garmin report. Anything to prove I'm not a cheater! Nope. Not Dr. Meza who knew he was guilty.
What is so ridiculous is anyone defending him by lying about his "fast" practice runs. They should be intervening with him NOW to get him psychological help not defending with probable lies.
While he probably thinks he is helping out here, posts like the Scott Dominguez one actually play against Meza's being a plausible story line.
It is one thing to say that maybe he started running late in life, like at age 60 or so, and steadily improved his times, like he was just a naturally talented runner who never gave it a go before. You see these guys every once in awhile, albeit not typically at this level.
It is quite another thing to say that he has been a very good runner and training for several decades, yet amazingly, defies aging and continues to improve into his 70s. That latter scenario is laughably unlikely.
23 years ago, Meza was in his late 40's. If he was legit training keeping up with some of the top prep runners in the country, he would have been a world-class masters runner, national-class at the very least. Yet his documented running career before ten years ago?...crickets.
Random Letsrun Reader wrote:
Well, if you stop cheating, then nobody would believe it. Just run your alleged marathon pace at a shorter distance.
Yes! My buddy Mike and I would gladly run a 1:26 half mary with him.
young loyola alum, be warned... something is not right here. your coach wasn't in the dark. he knew of this situation since april (at least), he was contacted by amby, remember. after the contact by amby, the four MI articles came out, including all the super damning evidence against frank, but, when given the opportunity to distance himself, he doubles down in the la times article and throws robert brandt under the bus. we all know that frank never ran a six-minute mile w/ rb. then, they work w/ scott dominguez, who uses his name and stature in the legal community to back a marathon cheat.
let's not be naive here, folks. diaz is not stupid... he knows what six-minute miles look like. and, scott isn't dumb either - georgetown and ucla law are not a cake walk. he knows what he's doing. the scary thing is, this was coordinated effort. i'm not sure what's being hidden here, but a real journalist from the la times needs to look into this. our good old pal roderick may have uncovered something far greater than cheating in a few marathons.
lalo and scott, what are you hiding? young loyola alums... i know you're readying this thread. be careful w/ who you trust.
It looks like there will be a follow up in the LA Times as well as an article in the SF Examiner. It's not over yet.
What performance would people accept to take a little heat off of the accused?
Equivalency charts indicate a 2:56 'thon is a:
18:21 5k;
38:16 10k;
1:24:25 half...
Meat Tornado wrote:
What performance would people accept to take a little heat off of the accused?
Equivalency charts indicate a 2:56 'thon is a:
18:21 5k;
38:16 10k;
1:24:25 half...
Possibly he should climb Mount Everest and then vacation in the Dominican Republic, that should do it.
Any of those would and will do it. Calm down. Clearly he is capable of those times, judging by his athletic look and past.
Simon Powell wrote:
It looks like there will be a follow up in the LA Times as well as an article in the SF Examiner. It's not over yet.
Awesome
It seems there is some kind of coordinated effort, and a lot of us think that he had an accomplice/driver. But why? It doesn't seem like there is any kind of monetary reward. He doesn't need the credentials to boost his career since he's retired.
Not a chance does a real lawyer make that grammatical error:
"I can guarantee you that these allegations that Dr. Meza would "cheat" on his times is FALSE"
Meat Tornado wrote:
What performance would people accept to take a little heat off of the accused?
Equivalency charts indicate a 2:56 'thon is a:
18:21 5k;
38:16 10k;
1:24:25 half...
Those first two are splits from his "marathons" lol.
bored troller wrote:
EKW, you were posting on the comments, correct?
Not the LA Times, a lot of US media websites don't even let people from the EU even browse the site due to the hassle for them of having to comply with the latest data protection regs in EU countries so even though the LA Times doesn't block to that extent, I really can't see any comments or links to comments. I suppose if I was bothered I could pay for a VPN and set a US IP.
"I can guarantee you that these allegations that Dr. Meza would "cheat" on his times is FALSE!"
Umm... if this is the writing of an attorney, I will eat my Vaporflys. Law school grads in general have immaculate written English skills with impeccable grammar. It is an absolute requisite of their profession. This is more likely the writing of someone who studied pottery than studied law.
Thanks, the newspaper should be alerted to this really