Do it the adult way. YOU write "the real reason of the US invasion in Afghanistan." And then if your analysis suffers from cheap cynicism, more whaddabboudyou?, unsupported facts and weird anti-America bias (all very likely), others can respond.
Just like i thought. You either do not know the real reason or your American pride is not letting you to out your country as a war criminal.
For you anything that goes to point out war crimes of the US is "unsupported facts". But when someone outs the US as a war criminal with "supported facts" and documents, they get prosecuted for treason, see Assange.
And you people sit here and talk about Russia like it has done something, the US hasn't done before. It's like prostitutes talking about how someone's a slut, simply disgusting.
Again: are you arguing that Russia is okay to invade the Ukraine because the US invaded elsewhere? Or are you condemning the actions of both countries?
Just like i thought. You either do not know the real reason or your American pride is not letting you to out your country as a war criminal.
For you anything that goes to point out war crimes of the US is "unsupported facts". But when someone outs the US as a war criminal with "supported facts" and documents, they get prosecuted for treason, see Assange.
And you people sit here and talk about Russia like it has done something, the US hasn't done before. It's like prostitutes talking about how someone's a slut, simply disgusting.
Again: are you arguing that Russia is okay to invade the Ukraine because the US invaded elsewhere? Or are you condemning the actions of both countries?
No.
He is pointing out the hypocrisy of not condemning what the USA is now doing in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia.... while focusing on Russia.
Maybe because you keep bring up the Jews and Israel?
Do you think Russia was right to invade Ukraine?
Amazing.
You brought it up.
Still waiting for the list of other groups who have received payment for all that was stolen from them.
Ok, let's not talk about Israel. You can start by answering a simple question:
Is Russia right to invade Ukraine?
p.s. Note, Harvard just set aside $100 million to fund initiatives related to its ties to slavery. p.p.s. Do you support the US spending $40B helping the people of Iraq, Libya, and Syria; but not the people of Ukraine?
Again: are you arguing that Russia is okay to invade the Ukraine because the US invaded elsewhere? Or are you condemning the actions of both countries?
No.
He is pointing out the hypocrisy of not condemning what the USA is now doing in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia.... while focusing on Russia.
Beyond you?
So, you're saying it's wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine? But only people that didn't / don't support the US actions in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia can say that's wrong? Is that your position?
Still waiting for the list of other groups who have received payment for all that was stolen from them.
Ok, let's not talk about Israel. You can start by answering a simple question:
Is Russia right to invade Ukraine?
p.s. Note, Harvard just set aside $100 million to fund initiatives related to its ties to slavery. p.p.s. Do you support the US spending $40B helping the people of Iraq, Libya, and Syria; but not the people of Ukraine?
He is pointing out the hypocrisy of not condemning what the USA is now doing in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia.... while focusing on Russia.
Beyond you?
So, you're saying it's wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine? But only people that didn't / don't support the US actions in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia can say that's wrong? Is that your position?
Quite a jump you are making there from my comment.
It honestly is scary to get these glimpses of how your mind "works". Illogical does not do it justice
Ok, let's not talk about Israel. You can start by answering a simple question:
Is Russia right to invade Ukraine?
p.s. Note, Harvard just set aside $100 million to fund initiatives related to its ties to slavery. p.p.s. Do you support the US spending $40B helping the people of Iraq, Libya, and Syria; but not the people of Ukraine?
Oil, gas, influence, natural resources? None of those were the public or private reasons for Afghanistan. There was one reason, and it wasn't any of those and it wasn't to make Afghanistan better. It was the United States protecting its own territory by eliminating a group that had attacked the US in its territory. And in a ranking of reasons for a war, most honest people would put that towards the good end of the scale.
And to head off a side topic, I stipulate that like everyone else, the United States is incompetent in nation-building.
Dear God, so you do believe, that 3000 casualties during 9/11 justify 200.000 casualties in Afganistan in the span of 20 years?
Again: are you arguing that Russia is okay to invade the Ukraine because the US invaded elsewhere? Or are you condemning the actions of both countries?
I am condemning actions of both countries and am pointing out the hypocricy of the majority of the posters here. Until the US arrests its own war criminals, all the way to governers and even presidents, there can be zero talk about sanctioning Russia.
We can't live in a world of double standards. It's either everything goes, or nothing goes. To me, Putin is equivalent to many American presidents, so I don't understand the outrage here.
So, you're saying it's wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine? But only people that didn't / don't support the US actions in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia can say that's wrong? Is that your position?
Quite a jump you are making there from my comment.
It honestly is scary to get these glimpses of how your mind "works". Illogical does not do it justice
Is / was it right for the US to invade Iraq?
Is / was it right for the US to invade Afganhistan?
Again: are you arguing that Russia is okay to invade the Ukraine because the US invaded elsewhere? Or are you condemning the actions of both countries?
I am condemning actions of both countries and am pointing out the hypocricy of the majority of the posters here. Until the US arrests its own war criminals, all the way to governers and even presidents, there can be zero talk about sanctioning Russia.
We can't live in a world of double standards. It's either everything goes, or nothing goes. To me, Putin is equivalent to many American presidents, so I don't understand the outrage here.
So, just to be perfectly clear: you think Russia is wrong to invade Ukraine and Putin is a war criminal?
Will we also be arresting the Swiss bankers who help finance it all without asking any questions?
No. There are significant differences even in the disingenuous, argumentative terms you listed: "killing civilians," "raping" and "looting." Yep, significant differences between US-Afghanistan and Russia-Ukraine even in those "areas" you listed with respect to frequency, acknowledgement, prevention, accountability, punishment and especially with respect to military policy -- one nation strongly condemns such behaviors by its soldiers, the other nation appears to teach such behaviors in its basic training manuals and to believe its part of effective military strategy and operations.
You've said nothing with your response other than more whaddabboudyou? and listed some dramatic instances (which ALSO must be analyzed separately), and you STILL can't say which side of the fence you are on with Ukraine. That's the real problem that immature, half-wits like you and carmine9 face with whaddabbodyou? -- you can't think where you're going with your attempted distraction/deflections. I think you don't even know.
There are VAST differences between Afghanistan and Ukraine (I listed some areas where they are easily seen). And you apparently don't consume much US media, much of which has for decades seemed to go out of its way to criticize (even condemn) the US military and certain foreign policies.
There are no real differences, buddy, no matter how you wanna twist it. In your next post please include 5 articles about the US military raping children in the Middle East and explain how it differs from Russian soldiers raping Ukrainians.
Hypocrisy seems to have deep roots in American culture.
Very disingenuous response by you (yet again). Rapes do not differ and I didn't say they did.
Here is what I posted, which is QUITE different than how you, probably deliberately, misunderstood it directly above: "significant differences between US-Afghanistan and Russia-Ukraine even in those "areas" you listed with respect to frequency, acknowledgement, prevention, accountability, punishment and especially with respect to military policy . . ."
At the risk of further indulging your probably deliberate mischaracterization (strawman) of what I said, the difference is in, at least, each nation's respective handling of such atrocities and the frequency with which they occur. See above ("frequency, acknowledgement, prevention, accountability, punishment"). I think we can go further and say that rape, looting, murder and terrorizing civilians are part of Russian military strategy. There sure is an abundance of evidence that has accumulated since March that would support that assertion.
Russian soldiers shoot unarmed Ukrainian civilians in the back, after frisking them, talking to them, and taking cigarettes from them. This was simply an unnecessary, cold blooded, murderous act.
What the Russians are doing to civilians in Ukraine goes beyond an errant missile strike, or misidentified target, or accidental shooting in a tense confrontation, which are the types of collateral damage we see in modern US led conflicts. Russians are directed targeting civilians, like this, or the theatre shelter that was bombed and the school shelter that was bombed, and the train station where fleeing civilians were bombed.
Video shows Russian soldiers killing 2 civilians before they ransack a business
Sara Sidner,Sandi Sidhu,Vasco Cotovio,Kostyantyn Gak,Oleksandra Titorova
CNN has obtained surveillance video showing two men being shot in the back, in an incident now being investigated as a war crime by Ukrainian prosecutors.
Do it the adult way. YOU write "the real reason of the US invasion in Afghanistan." And then if your analysis suffers from cheap cynicism, more whaddabboudyou?, unsupported facts and weird anti-America bias (all very likely), others can respond.
Just like i thought. You either do not know the real reason or your American pride is not letting you to out your country as a war criminal.
That's pretty lame. Criticize me for not doing what you failed to do from the start. You've decided to adopt the childish carmine9 way of posting, I see.
I can quite easily post "the real reason of the US invasion in Afghanistan." But YOU first raised that specific topic, and then failed to support or even state your opinion on the topic. That is called passive-aggressive behavior.
If you know, as you claim to do, what "the the real reason of the US invasion in Afghanistan" is, you should not be afraid to post it. That is called chickensh!t behavior.
I am condemning actions of both countries and am pointing out the hypocricy of the majority of the posters here. Until the US arrests its own war criminals, all the way to governers and even presidents, there can be zero talk about sanctioning Russia.
We can't live in a world of double standards. It's either everything goes, or nothing goes. To me, Putin is equivalent to many American presidents, so I don't understand the outrage here.
So, just to be perfectly clear: you think Russia is wrong to invade Ukraine and Putin is a war criminal?
Will we also be arresting the Swiss bankers who help finance it all without asking any questions?
My answer depends on the judgement that should be equallly applied worldwide. Either Russia is wrong, but then so are the US, China and many other countries, or everything goes and the strong rule the weak.
Right now the only reason Ukraine is still holding up is because of the twisted Western narrative, that whatever the West is doing is good and what Russia is doing is bad, which results in $billions of support to Ukraine. If the West (and especially the US) would accept its own fault in previous wars and also the involvement in the regime change in Ukraine in 2014, such narrative would not exist and things could be solved with diplomatic measures.
The problem here is that the US Dollar is not tied to anything but the US military power and in order to keep it afloat the US has to be constantly involved in military conflicts. Therefore it has to keep Russia as a boogeyman and there is nothing Russia can do to break out of this created image. Russia is that black dot in the white of the US side of "ying-yang", and US needs it to stay this way. So Russia might as well live up to this role.
Just like Russia needs the US to be the boogeyman to blame the concequences of the shameless corruption of Putin and his oligarchs on the "rotten West".
We, the people, on both sides are shown the image of "good and evil", when in reality it is rich and powerful against the poor and powerles.
Very disingenuous response by you (yet again). Rapes do not differ and I didn't say they did.
Here is what I posted, which is QUITE different than how you, probably deliberately, misunderstood it directly above: "significant differences between US-Afghanistan and Russia-Ukraine even in those "areas" you listed with respect to frequency, acknowledgement, prevention, accountability, punishment and especially with respect to military policy . . ."
At the risk of further indulging your probably deliberate mischaracterization (strawman) of what I said, the difference is in, at least, each nation's respective handling of such atrocities and the frequency with which they occur. See above ("frequency, acknowledgement, prevention, accountability, punishment"). I think we can go further and say that rape, looting, murder and terrorizing civilians are part of Russian military strategy. There sure is an abundance of evidence that has accumulated since March that would support that assertion.
"frequency, acknowledgement, prevention, accountability, punishment and especially with respect to military policy"....
When your family members are killed or raped, you will not care what preventive measures supposedly have been taken or what the military policy says. Too many US soldiers in the Middle East didn't care what the policies said and if you need to be tought not to rape and kill for fun, you should not be issued a gun in the first place.
No, you cannot say, "that rape, looting, murder and terrorizing civilians are part of Russian military strategy", more than it is also the strategy of the US military.
I recommend to read this Wikipedia article to understand more about your "veteran heroes".
The Mahmudiyah rape and killings were war crimes involving the gang-rape and murder of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi and the murder of her family by United States Army soldiers on March 12, 2006. It occu...
