Andrew. Please define clearly, once and for all. What is your definition of FTP?
See the glossary of any edition of our book.
And there it is guys. Coggan won't tell us what FTP is, because he has flipped what it is to suit his argument to many times. It makes any discrediting he does of actual excerise physiologists totally hypocritical when he says they are confused.
The man it a joke. The internet hates him. He likely hates himself and his own life which is why he acts like an absolute moron online. He has absolutely no credibility in this thread. Maybe the least . That's saying something when he's writing on the same page of a thread as lexel and JS.
Please just give us more of the interesting stuff. Sirpoc, Hard2find amazing contributions/tools on here and Strava , the likes of Unbelief, shirtboy etc.
These are the guys who ACTUALLY went should be listening to. Rather than the absolute ego manics like Coggan, lexel , JS etc. I genuinely hope everyone knows that.
If would be awesome if this thread could be turned into something linear and just delete level, Coggan and it would be bordering on a massive produced training masterpiece that would likely benefit a vast number of the running population. Way more than any of these clowns who drop into the thread can.
Stop lying. The definition of FTP has never, ever changed.
Really weird you can't just answer this. You are a very odd . On one hand you do have some intelligence, on other your emotional intelligence is almost zero. God damn would have hated to be your family yesterday on Thanksgiving, what a bore you are , who I am sure deep down things he's the funny likeable, witty guy. News for you, just about everyone thinks you are a waste of air.
The fact you can't or won't answer this tells me you are indeed a hypocrite. You constantly and consistency our criticism over others but you cannot stand on your own two feet and define something.
Is it important? No. Would you actually help the thread by discussing and clearly up what FTP actually is? Yes, massively. But you won't because you don't have a single bone in your body that allows you to be a decent human being and actually engage in useful conversation if your ego isn't in play.
You can't discuss what FTP is, because myself and others who have followed your car crash posts on internet forums over the years and have resulted you being banned from just about everywhere, would know you are again changing the goal posts to suit whatever narrative you choose to push that week.
Lexel is a clown as well. But one thing I will give that guy credit for is at least he has the guts to answer questions directly. He might be like a rabbit in headlights when Hard2find is throwing him around like a ragdoll, but at least the man is consistent.
As for my training levels (not zones), all of the cut points are arbitrary (since everything resides on a continuum). The fact that level 4 ends about where the "new" CP falls is therefore coincidental.
What a funny coincidence. And 'new' CP means obviously 'new' to you. I have the feeling those levels have a pratical meaning for you, but it is just me.
We can now rewrite your levels (not zones - dont say this word :)) in %CP and that looks something like that:
Late to the party, but isn't that asterisk like, the main point of thinking about durability? What actually changes in the body when one is adequately prepared for a marathon vs a 10k or 10mi race? Why do some people seem to need to do more marathon specific work than others to translate a good 10k into a good marathon? And with everything we know about the body, how likely is it that "adequate preparation" just flips a switch where you don't see that decline, vs it being a spectrum with increasing cost vs benefit to improve that durability?
Maybe I'm completely wrong but I imagined the applicability of this as a separate physiological parameter as really only mattering for the hm, m or especially trail ultras with a lot of vert. Like it has more to do with resistance to muscle damage and neuromuscular fatigue, and not really anything metabolic. Other than maybe fat utilization or something.
Good points.
Exactly because of the muscle damage, e.g. during a marathon, the shoe industry picked up that knowledge and nowadays shoes are cushioned (but springy and light). I see no end of this trend. You can also do more milage during the week, which delivers new PRs.
There is also neuromuscular fatigue and this seems to be trainable. The brain learns.
Recently i had a discussion with an university professor about this training method mentioned herein by Sirpoc and his opinion was that this training might lead to a stagnation at some point.
I have a question to Sirpoc or others using this method. Do you see a stagnation? How long are your stagnation phases?
I have a question to Sirpoc or others using this method. Do you see a stagnation? How long are your stagnation phases?
I have been using it for 6 months now. I saw little progress in the first 2 months. Then all of a sudden I improved (some 10 seconds/km faster in all reps).
After that, very little progress again for 2.5 months, and then another 8-10 seconds/km improvement.
I have a question to Sirpoc or others using this method. Do you see a stagnation? How long are your stagnation phases?
I have been using it for 6 months now. I saw little progress in the first 2 months. Then all of a sudden I improved (some 10 seconds/km faster in all reps).
After that, very little progress again for 2.5 months, and then another 8-10 seconds/km improvement.
But no, my conceptualization of FTP has never changed. It is, was, and always will be a pedagogical construct providing a power-based (functional) estimate of maximal metabolic steady state.
As for my training levels (not zones), all of the cut points are arbitrary (since everything resides on a continuum). The fact that level 4 ends about where the "new" CP falls is therefore coincidental.
What a funny coincidence. And 'new' CP means obviously 'new' to you. I have the feeling those levels have a pratical meaning for you, but it is just me.
We can now rewrite your levels (not zones - dont say this word :)) in %CP and that looks something like that:
The present review is focused on the physiological meanings of the critical power concept proposed by Scherrer in 1954 and its applications to general exercises such as running, cycling and swimming. Since the first studies o...
Also, your rearrangement doesn't work, because conceptually, CP and FTP are the same thing. That's why it is where it is on my list of Seven Deadly Sins.
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For this crowd, I'd say it might be worth trying, but not to expect any miracles.ut The fitter you are, the less you seem to benefit from dietary nitrate supplementation, if at all. Furthermore, even when present the impact on endurance performance ability (which seems to be constrained to about the 2-10 minute performance "window") is actually rather small, i.e., 2% or so. In contrast, the effects on maximal neuromuscular power are ~3x as large. This is why we have focused our studies in patients with HF and ostensibly healthy older (i.e., 65-79 y old) individuals, both of whom exhibit reduced muscle power and diminished NO bioavailability.
There really isn't any evidence that "loading" is helpful. In fact, we have evidence that repeated dosing (for 2 wk) may actually reduce the ability of your oral bacteria to convert nitrate to nitrite. As an athlete, you're therefore best off saving it for race day (although again, it may not help, and of course you want to test it in training, so, e.g., you don't miss your start while in the Porta-potty peeing/pooping pink).
It takes 2.5-3 h following ingestion for plasma nitrite levels to peak, so that timing is appropriate for an acute dose.
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And there it is guys. Coggan won't tell us what FTP is, because he has flipped what it is to suit his argument to many times. It makes any discrediting he does of actual excerise physiologists totally hypocritical when he says they are confused.
The man it a joke. The internet hates him. He likely hates himself and his own life which is why he acts like an absolute moron online. He has absolutely no credibility in this thread. Maybe the least . That's saying something when he's writing on the same page of a thread as lexel and JS.
Please just give us more of the interesting stuff. Sirpoc, Hard2find amazing contributions/tools on here and Strava , the likes of Unbelief, shirtboy etc.
These are the guys who ACTUALLY went should be listening to. Rather than the absolute ego manics like Coggan, lexel , JS etc. I genuinely hope everyone knows that.
If would be awesome if this thread could be turned into something linear and just delete level, Coggan and it would be bordering on a massive produced training masterpiece that would likely benefit a vast number of the running population. Way more than any of these clowns who drop into the thread can.
I have a question to Sirpoc or others using this method. Do you see a stagnation? How long are your stagnation phases?
I have been using it for 6 months now. I saw little progress in the first 2 months. Then all of a sudden I improved (some 10 seconds/km faster in all reps).
After that, very little progress again for 2.5 months, and then another 8-10 seconds/km improvement.
Very similar to my experience. I am 5 months in. Sub-T reps were anywhere from 3:45-3:50/km for a while – nearly 4 months of this. Paces and effort level did not improve at all for these months, but time trials did improve slowly (17:32 to 17:05). Then seemingly overnight started hitting 3:25-3:30/km and improved by almost 50 sec over 5k (17:05 to 16:17). I was absolutely floored by how strong I felt. Guess I will just be doing this boring workout routine indefinitely until I hit my fitness ceiling or want to play around with shorter, more explosive sharpening workouts. Anyone else have similar stagnation/sudden drops in paces? It is so bizarre. I don't feel faster at all, but after doing such repetitive workouts, it really just felt like business as usual until I checked my watch for the time and surprised myself week after week.
Very similar to my experience. I am 5 months in. Sub-T reps were anywhere from 3:45-3:50/km for a while – nearly 4 months of this. Paces and effort level did not improve at all for these months, but time trials did improve slowly (17:32 to 17:05). Then seemingly overnight started hitting 3:25-3:30/km and improved by almost 50 sec over 5k (17:05 to 16:17). I was absolutely floored by how strong I felt. Guess I will just be doing this boring workout routine indefinitely until I hit my fitness ceiling or want to play around with shorter, more explosive sharpening workouts. Anyone else have similar stagnation/sudden drops in paces? It is so bizarre. I don't feel faster at all, but after doing such repetitive workouts, it really just felt like business as usual until I checked my watch for the time and surprised myself week after week.
This is definitely within the scope of normal if you read all the personal experiences just try and avoid all the lexel and Coggan drivel that has polluted the thread. Very similar experience to me. It was like a lightbulb moment that went off, when I worked out it was working but i didn't feel different or faster.
Aerobic gains seem to just take a sudden jump. This entire buy in is not going to happen overnight or even seem glamorous compared to other instagram coaches out there for example. But it's definitely the most likely to work! I think you can feel that extra speed in your legs when you add training that vo2 max and above system. But aerobic gains just don't quite feel the same, yet make you just as fast or faster. I know that sounds a little strange but maybe people can relate to that?
