What kind of military loses an entire battalion just trying to cross a river? It's like a story from the trenches in World War I.
Some context: zooming out from previous, you see destroyed Russian military vehicles + destroyed pontoon bridge across the crucial Siverski Donets River.. and several companies worth of destroyed armored vehicles. Ukraine has superior tactics, weapons, mobility, will to fight. pic.twitter.com/9wCDXwD01r
— Richard Ferrans ☮️ (@FerransRichard) May 11, 2022
Wasn't all of Ukraine supposed to be occupied by Russian troops in a week? What are the Russians doing 10 weeks later getting blown up trying to cross a 30 meter wide river back east in Luhansk?
This question has been answered already. Yes, it is right. Just like the US was right to invade Iraq without the UN mandate. In case you feel like asking again - yes, Russia is right.
You probably will ask again, so then: yes, it is right. In doubt, read the second sentence of my post to answer your question.
Well, no it hasn't been answered (previously). Please find where it was.
But, if you think Russia was right, then the US should have no shame for anywhere that they've invaded because they were also right, as you've said. You can't even be consistent for three posts, Lolly. Didn't those third-tier European Universities teach you anything?
war is hell, but it's fun to watch from very afar. Massive win for UKR here - wiping out something like 2% of all RU battle strength in one attack on a river crossing.
Somewhere on twitter is a translated story from the UKR soldiers who made it happen. It's like a Hemingway story come to life.
Still, these poor RU guys dead in one of the stupidest wars of modern history. Blind faith in your leaders will get you killed.
Every war seems stupid to most of the general population, but it's calculated and well planned. More often than not, the general public is not supposed to know the real roots of a war and is being fed some sort of easily understandable premise. Whether it be "de-nazification of Ukraine" by Russia or "bringing democracy" to Afghanistan by the US.
Also, soldiers of every country blindly follow their leaders, whether in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq or Guantanamo.
There is literally no difference on what Russia is doing in Ukraine than what the US has done in multiple countries. Except, that you're on "that" side and not "this" side.
Also, the US has lost in Afghanistan to cavemen and left billions in military weaponry in their posession. Afghanistan is wrecked and civilians are struggling beyond belief now. NEVER forget that and carry that shame with you everywhere you go, just like you want Russians to do so because of their performance in Ukraine. Shame on you.
Ummm . . . pretty sure that the US never had any intention of annexing Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan.
Maybe you just don't understand the definition of "literally". Is that what the problem is?
Wasn't all of Ukraine supposed to be occupied by Russian troops in a week? What are the Russians doing 10 weeks later getting blown up trying to cross a 30 meter wide river back east in Luhansk?
You spent 20 years in Afghanistan only to lose to cavemen and leave billions worth of weaponry in their posession, which made Taliban much more dangerous than before.
Strangely enough, you will read so much about Russia embarassing itself and all these mishaps and deaths of generals, but there still will be only one outcome: Russia took Crimea in 2014 and will also have Donbas in 2022. And non-NATO Ukraine, just like Putin is talking about since many years. So laugh all you want, but all Russian military goals will be achieved, unlike those of the US in Afghanistan.
Wasn't all of Ukraine supposed to be occupied by Russian troops in a week? What are the Russians doing 10 weeks later getting blown up trying to cross a 30 meter wide river back east in Luhansk?
You spent 20 years in Afghanistan only to lose to cavemen and leave billions worth of weaponry in their posession, which made Taliban much more dangerous than before.
Strangely enough, you will read so much about Russia embarassing itself and all these mishaps and deaths of generals, but there still will be only one outcome: Russia took Crimea in 2014 and will also have Donbas in 2022. And non-NATO Ukraine, just like Putin is talking about since many years. So laugh all you want, but all Russian military goals will be achieved, unlike those of the US in Afghanistan.
Lol, Russia is not keeping Donbas. This is the new '5 days tops.'
Wasn't all of Ukraine supposed to be occupied by Russian troops in a week? What are the Russians doing 10 weeks later getting blown up trying to cross a 30 meter wide river back east in Luhansk?
You spent 20 years in Afghanistan only to lose to cavemen and leave billions worth of weaponry in their posession, which made Taliban much more dangerous than before.
Strangely enough, you will read so much about Russia embarassing itself and all these mishaps and deaths of generals, but there still will be only one outcome: Russia took Crimea in 2014 and will also have Donbas in 2022. And non-NATO Ukraine, just like Putin is talking about since many years. So laugh all you want, but all Russian military goals will be achieved, unlike those of the US in Afghanistan.
At a minimum Ukraine is going to be in the EU, Finland and Sweden will be in NATO, the Russian economy will be in taters for decades, and the Russian military is exposed as weak, corrupt, and incompetent. I'm not sure Russia "wins" in this case, even if they manage to keep Crimea and Donbas, especially if this war drags on for another 6 months or 6 years.
Well, no it hasn't been answered (previously). Please find where it was.
But, if you think Russia was right, then the US should have no shame for anywhere that they've invaded because they were also right, as you've said. You can't even be consistent for three posts, Lolly. Didn't those third-tier European Universities teach you anything?
Oh, you don't have sarcasm in the US? Every single of my posts here has been carrying the same message. What Russia is doing in Ukraine doesn't differ in any significant way of the US has been (and still is) doing in multiple countries. So if you think, that the US has right to do what it does, (I'm sure you do) then YES, Russia does so to.
My degree in 24th best University in the world is surely enough to carry on with this conversation and also enough to get me retired by 40 to enjoy my humble slum-free, ghetto-free, homelessness-free, police-violence-free and public-shootings-free life. There is nothing you can say to make me feel that the US is superior to my country. You simply have no idea on how awesome my country is, so just go back to the topic.
war is hell, but it's fun to watch from very afar. Massive win for UKR here - wiping out something like 2% of all RU battle strength in one attack on a river crossing.
Somewhere on twitter is a translated story from the UKR soldiers who made it happen. It's like a Hemingway story come to life.
Still, these poor RU guys dead in one of the stupidest wars of modern history. Blind faith in your leaders will get you killed.
Every war seems stupid to most of the general population, but it's calculated and well planned. More often than not, the general public is not supposed to know the real roots of a war and is being fed some sort of easily understandable premise. Whether it be "de-nazification of Ukraine" by Russia or "bringing democracy" to Afghanistan by the US.
Also, soldiers of every country blindly follow their leaders, whether in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq or Guantanamo.
There is literally no difference on what Russia is doing in Ukraine than what the US has done in multiple countries. Except, that you're on "that" side and not "this" side.
Also, the US has lost in Afghanistan to cavemen and left billions in military weaponry in their posession. Afghanistan is wrecked and civilians are struggling beyond belief now. NEVER forget that and carry that shame with you everywhere you go, just like you want Russians to do so because of their performance in Ukraine. Shame on you.
Words have meanings. Your contention that the Russia is "literally" doing what the US has done does not stand unless you can point to equivalent rapes, looting of individuals and business, theft of grain, equipment and art from museums, attacking fleeing civilians in humanitarian corridors, and outright butchery committed by Russians in this Special Murder Operation. There is loss of life and property in any war, but that doesn't mean it all is "literally" the same.
And you misstate, I would assume deliberately, the reason the US invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't to bring democracy to Afghanistan. It was to root out and destroy the capacity for an organization that had attacked the United States and killed thousands of people and was planning additional attacks. Let us know the dates on which Ukraine operatives flew airplanes into the Kremlin. It didn't make the news here.
Every war seems stupid to most of the general population, but it's calculated and well planned. More often than not, the general public is not supposed to know the real roots of a war and is being fed some sort of easily understandable premise. Whether it be "de-nazification of Ukraine" by Russia or "bringing democracy" to Afghanistan by the US.
Also, soldiers of every country blindly follow their leaders, whether in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq or Guantanamo.
There is literally no difference on what Russia is doing in Ukraine than what the US has done in multiple countries. Except, that you're on "that" side and not "this" side.
Also, the US has lost in Afghanistan to cavemen and left billions in military weaponry in their posession. Afghanistan is wrecked and civilians are struggling beyond belief now. NEVER forget that and carry that shame with you everywhere you go, just like you want Russians to do so because of their performance in Ukraine. Shame on you.
Ummm . . . pretty sure that the US never had any intention of annexing Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan.
Maybe you just don't understand the definition of "literally". Is that what the problem is?
ALL of these events have to be analyzed separately. The significant distinctions and differences between US/NATO involvement in Afghanistan, or anywhere else these childish whaddabboudyou? types list, and Russia's attack and attempt to destroy and occupy Ukraine, are large and broad. They range from the purpose, to the military skill and accomplishments, to the type of warfare, to the treatment of the civilians and sovereignty, to the political goals and endeavors, to the final result.
Afghanistan and Ukraine, in particular, are drastically different -- that is truly an apples and oranges comparison -- and that Putin apologist LollyMast should have picked a better whaddabbodyou? example, but lacked the understanding, knowledge or argumentative skill to do so.
Ummm . . . pretty sure that the US never had any intention of annexing Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan.
Maybe you just don't understand the definition of "literally". Is that what the problem is?
Yet it did invade Iraq without the UN mandate, which equals war crime. Is this why the US doesn't recognise the authority of the International Criminal Court in Hague? Because it would make George W. Bush and the US congress war criminals?
Simply supporting a violent regime change with military power and money is an act of war by itself and that's the style of the US. A riddle for you: which country killed most innocent civilians of other countries since year 2000?
my humble slum-free, ghetto-free, homelessness-free, police-violence-free and public-shootings-free life. There is nothing you can say to make me feel that the US is superior to my country. You simply have no idea on how awesome my country is, so just go back to the topic.
Words have meanings. Your contention that the Russia is "literally" doing what the US has done does not stand unless you can point to equivalent rapes, looting of individuals and business, theft of grain, equipment and art from museums, attacking fleeing civilians in humanitarian corridors, and outright butchery committed by Russians in this Special Murder Operation. There is loss of life and property in any war, but that doesn't mean it all is "literally" the same.
And you misstate, I would assume deliberately, the reason the US invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't to bring democracy to Afghanistan. It was to root out and destroy the capacity for an organization that had attacked the United States and killed thousands of people and was planning additional attacks. Let us know the dates on which Ukraine operatives flew airplanes into the Kremlin. It didn't make the news here.
Oh you poor little thing. US soldiers are filthy animals and your media is keeping quiet about it. Please educate yourself.
Between 2010 and 2016 alone, there were nearly 6,000 accusations of child sexual abuse reported by American military personnel, with no actions taken in response.
Well, no it hasn't been answered (previously). Please find where it was.
But, if you think Russia was right, then the US should have no shame for anywhere that they've invaded because they were also right, as you've said. You can't even be consistent for three posts, Lolly. Didn't those third-tier European Universities teach you anything?
Oh, you don't have sarcasm in the US? Every single of my posts here has been carrying the same message. What Russia is doing in Ukraine doesn't differ in any significant way of the US has been (and still is) doing in multiple countries. So if you think, that the US has right to do what it does, (I'm sure you do) then YES, Russia does so to.
My degree in 24th best University in the world is surely enough to carry on with this conversation and also enough to get me retired by 40 to enjoy my humble slum-free, ghetto-free, homelessness-free, police-violence-free and public-shootings-free life. There is nothing you can say to make me feel that the US is superior to my country. You simply have no idea on how awesome my country is, so just go back to the topic.
There are huge numbers of people in the US that don't agree with US foreign policy. Maybe if you actually left your little Swiss bubble you would understand that.
But, now I'm confused. Did you answer the question? Do you think Russia was right to invade Ukraine? You seem to be waffling and have so far said, "yes", "no", "maybe", and "sarcasm" so forgive me if it's not clear what your answer is.
I know what I feel is right. I'm trying to figure out what you and carmine think is right. So, maybe just try giving a straight answer to the question:
Do you think Russia was right to invade Ukraine?
I've been to Switzerland. Geneva is the perhaps the least interesting city in the least interesting country in Europe. A filthy lake surrounded by a overwhelmingly boring, mediocre city. 10% of the Swiss population lives below the poverty level. So, just because you don't see the issues, doesn't mean they don't exist. (I've spent quite a bit of time at the University of Geneva. I'm quite thankful I don't have any plans to go back. My in-laws lived in Geneva for 2 years. They couldn't wait to leave.)
I assume you're referring to ETH (the only non-terrible university in Switzerland - I've also been there, and it was mediocre at best.) and is only ranked some 22 or 23 spots behind the university I'm at.
ALL of these events have to be analyzed separately. The significant distinctions and differences between US/NATO involvement in Afghanistan, or anywhere else these childish whaddabboudyou? types list, and Russia's attack and attempt to destroy and occupy Ukraine, are large and broad. They range from the purpose, to the military skill and accomplishments, to the type of warfare, to the treatment of the civilians and sovereignty, to the political goals and endeavors, to the final result.
Afghanistan and Ukraine, in particular, are drastically different -- that is truly an apples and oranges comparison -- and that Putin apologist LollyMast should have picked a better whaddabbodyou? example, but lacked the understanding, knowledge or argumentative skill to do so.
The more you will keep looking for differences, the more similarities you will find. Losing, killing civilians, raping, looting, it's all there. Your media only reports about it not too often, but the international media does, just google it. It's mind-blowing how you either don't know about it, or chose to ignore it.
Words have meanings. Your contention that the Russia is "literally" doing what the US has done does not stand unless you can point to equivalent rapes, looting of individuals and business, theft of grain, equipment and art from museums, attacking fleeing civilians in humanitarian corridors, and outright butchery committed by Russians in this Special Murder Operation. There is loss of life and property in any war, but that doesn't mean it all is "literally" the same.
And you misstate, I would assume deliberately, the reason the US invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't to bring democracy to Afghanistan. It was to root out and destroy the capacity for an organization that had attacked the United States and killed thousands of people and was planning additional attacks. Let us know the dates on which Ukraine operatives flew airplanes into the Kremlin. It didn't make the news here.
Oh you poor little thing. US soldiers are filthy animals and your media is keeping quiet about it. Please educate yourself.
So, a bunch of articles on mostly American websites talking about US crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan is your idea of the media keeping quiet about it? You may want to request a refund from your 24th ranked university.
ALL of these events have to be analyzed separately. The significant distinctions and differences between US/NATO involvement in Afghanistan, or anywhere else these childish whaddabboudyou? types list, and Russia's attack and attempt to destroy and occupy Ukraine, are large and broad. They range from the purpose, to the military skill and accomplishments, to the type of warfare, to the treatment of the civilians and sovereignty, to the political goals and endeavors, to the final result.
Afghanistan and Ukraine, in particular, are drastically different -- that is truly an apples and oranges comparison -- and that Putin apologist LollyMast should have picked a better whaddabbodyou? example, but lacked the understanding, knowledge or argumentative skill to do so.
The more you will keep looking for differences, the more similarities you will find. Losing, killing civilians, raping, looting, it's all there. Your media only reports about it not too often, but the international media does, just google it. It's mind-blowing how you either don't know about it, or chose to ignore it.
Again, are you trying to say that the USA's past actions justify the current Russian invasion of Ukraine? (The people of Ukraine may disagree with you) Or that both the US and Russia were wrong to invade other countries, and you condemn them both?
Words have meanings. Your contention that the Russia is "literally" doing what the US has done does not stand unless you can point to equivalent rapes, looting of individuals and business, theft of grain, equipment and art from museums, attacking fleeing civilians in humanitarian corridors, and outright butchery committed by Russians in this Special Murder Operation. There is loss of life and property in any war, but that doesn't mean it all is "literally" the same.
And you misstate, I would assume deliberately, the reason the US invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't to bring democracy to Afghanistan. It was to root out and destroy the capacity for an organization that had attacked the United States and killed thousands of people and was planning additional attacks. Let us know the dates on which Ukraine operatives flew airplanes into the Kremlin. It didn't make the news here.
Oh you poor little thing. US soldiers are filthy animals and your media is keeping quiet about it. Please educate yourself.
So you are going to ignore that you incorrectly equated the goals for the US and Russian invasions.
And your references to US abuses still doesn't justify your statement that the actions of the two countries are "literally" the same. But maybe that is what we should expect from a country with the working motto: 'Everyone with money is our friend, regardless of the amount of blood dripping from it or the crimes committed to get it.'
Oh, you don't have sarcasm in the US? Every single of my posts here has been carrying the same message. What Russia is doing in Ukraine doesn't differ in any significant way of the US has been (and still is) doing in multiple countries. So if you think, that the US has right to do what it does, (I'm sure you do) then YES, Russia does so to.
My degree in 24th best University in the world is surely enough to carry on with this conversation and also enough to get me retired by 40 to enjoy my humble slum-free, ghetto-free, homelessness-free, police-violence-free and public-shootings-free life. There is nothing you can say to make me feel that the US is superior to my country. You simply have no idea on how awesome my country is, so just go back to the topic.
There are huge numbers of people in the US that don't agree with US foreign policy. Maybe if you actually left your little Swiss bubble you would understand that.
But, now I'm confused. Did you answer the question? Do you think Russia was right to invade Ukraine? You seem to be waffling and have so far said, "yes", "no", "maybe", and "sarcasm" so forgive me if it's not clear what your answer is.
I know what I feel is right. I'm trying to figure out what you and carmine think is right. So, maybe just try giving a straight answer to the question:
Do you think Russia was right to invade Ukraine?
I've been to Switzerland. Geneva is the perhaps the least interesting city in the least interesting country in Europe. A filthy lake surrounded by a overwhelmingly boring, mediocre city. 10% of the Swiss population lives below the poverty level. So, just because you don't see the issues, doesn't mean they don't exist. (I've spent quite a bit of time at the University of Geneva. I'm quite thankful I don't have any plans to go back. My in-laws lived in Geneva for 2 years. They couldn't wait to leave.)
I assume you're referring to ETH (the only non-terrible university in Switzerland - I've also been there, and it was mediocre at best.) and is only ranked some 22 or 23 spots behind the university I'm at.
Oh, you're asking me personally?
There is no right or wrong, there are only powerful and powerless, especially on a global scale. Empires do what they have to do to protect themselves. The US does what the US does and Russia does what Russia does. EVERY country has war history soaked with blood of the civilians. Is it wrong? From the perspective of the civilians, yes. From the perspective of leaders of empires, no, since inaction will lead to collapse of the empire.
This entire thread reminds me of a "yin and yang", where each side blames the other one, when in reality, they're pretty much the same thing.
I'm glad you've been to beautiful Switzerland. Would you please tell forum members how many homeless people you saw there, or how many public shootings you were aware of in Switzerland? Did you have to avoid specific areas there or did our metro stink like urine?
I also have been to the US multiple times. I was fascinated by how dirty Los Angeles is, how junkies are begging for money even on Malibu beach, how homeless lay in their own piss on the "Walk of Fame", how borderline - retarded native Americans are on Lake Powell and how bizarrly overweight and ignorant people in Idaho are. The nature is beautiful though.
So you are going to ignore that you incorrectly equated the goals for the US and Russian invasions.
And your references to US abuses still doesn't justify your statement that the actions of the two countries are "literally" the same. But maybe that is what we should expect from a country with the working motto: 'Everyone with money is our friend, regardless of the amount of blood dripping from it or the crimes committed to get it.'
Do you even know the goals of Russian invasion? What's even the difference of what the goals are, if the results are the same: dead, injured and raped civilians, destroyed and looted cities?
What you've made of Afghanistan is a lot worse of what's awaiting Ukraine, even if your media packed the reasons of the war in pretty words. War is war.
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