tartarm wrote:
Wild speculation, grainy photos and blog posts by amateurs are not conclusive of anything
The fat that he was DQ'd from three marathons for cheating is conclusive that he was a serial marathon cheater.
tartarm wrote:
Wild speculation, grainy photos and blog posts by amateurs are not conclusive of anything
The fat that he was DQ'd from three marathons for cheating is conclusive that he was a serial marathon cheater.
Roderick Powell wrote:
rojo wrote:
Yes. That was one of the problems I had with the LA times article. It asked if he was a cheat. We knew he was a cheat. He was DQd from CIM two times. That means you are a cheat.
One question I have is when a race like CIM DQs you, do they note it in results? Issue a press release. I mean if I run a marathon, tell everyone I ran it in 3 hours. People see the resutls and then I get DQd 2 weeks later, my buddies may never know I was DQd.
I'll state this again. What is needed is a searchable list for runners who have been DQ'd from any marathon event. This list would be dominated by PED violators. And in the event disclaimers have a yes or no question....Have you ever been DQ'd from a marathon? This could, of course be applied to other race distances and types. This may have protected FM from himself back in 2014. AND, it would not have been necessary for his family, friends, co-workers and clients, neighbors, US citizens and every person in the entire world to be made aware of. Some on LR and MI seemed to want this...and they got it...the entire world...ask yourself this...would you want the entire world to know your deepest darkest secret? If not, then why did so many try so hard to punish FM this way. The MSM most likely would not have picked up on the FM news, if not for the efforts of some here to achieve that. Obviously what happened on LR did not stay on LR.
Roderick, what do you think got LA to finally step up and DQ FM finally for his 2019 cheating? Remember, they initially told Derek they were not going to DQ him, that they would let the result stand and only require him to run with an observer in 2020. So yes, some of us were pushing for main stream media coverage to get a reluctant race organization to finally take action on blatant cheating. Did I or anyone else realize FM was fragile enough or so deeply embedded in his web of lies that he would take his own life? I certainly never imagined it and personally wish I had never clicked on the thread you started. But when I became aware of the extent and audacity of his cheating and that public pressure might be the only means to get LA Marathon to step up and clean up their results, than I and many other helped make this story go viral. We didn't do it to "ruin him". If there were a better way, say an overseeing organization that could actually DQ him, I would have filed something with that organization and let them do their thing. But that doesn't exist.
tartarm wrote:
Wild speculation, grainy photos and blog posts by amateurs are not conclusive of anything
Are these the grainy photos to which you're referring, Tartarm?
https://gameface-upload-testing.s3.amazonaws.com/the-san-francisco-marathon-%28m%29/340-SFOMarathon/Race%202/14-340-393-08992.JPGhttps://gameface-upload-testing.s3.amazonaws.com/the-san-francisco-marathon-%28m%29/340-SFOMarathon/Race%202/14-340-393-08995.JPGDeadesq, I've seen these photos a few times today, do you know the location or any other details? Obviously they establish without a doubt that "Frank on a bike" is 100% legit. But these photos, they look like he's walking up to the timing mat (which one?) and then looks up realizes he's on camera and had better start running?
deadesq wrote:
Are these the grainy photos to which you're referring, Tartarm?
I think if I squint I can just make out Frank there with a very interesting shoe attachment.
tartarm wrote:
pattylover2001 wrote:
Why do you keep saying "apparent suicide" when it has been confirmed he committed suicide? Why do you keep saying alleged cheating when it has been proven beyond a doubt that he cheated?
A trained ME determined the cause of death.
Wild speculation, grainy photos and blog posts by amateurs are not conclusive of anything
He absolutely cheated. His splits alone are proof and that's how he was banned by the CIM. And the countless photos of him off the course are also conclusive evidence.
Does anyone know what he was capable of running? I couldn't find any videos, but based on the stills and him being 70 years old, I believe sub-4 hours would have difficult for him.
Roderick, Rojo, or anyone else that might not be aware, there is another "sister forum" (with better multiskilled athletes) to this one that is having a well moderated discussion you might want to check out: https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Frank_Meza_found_dead__P6972556-8/
triathleteguru wrote:
Deadesq, I've seen these photos a few times today, do you know the location or any other details? Obviously they establish without a doubt that "Frank on a bike" is 100% legit. But these photos, they look like he's walking up to the timing mat (which one?) and then looks up realizes he's on camera and had better start running?
Looking at the background, it's obviously on one side or the other of the Golden Gate Bridge. In looking at the course map for the 2014 SF Marathon, it looks like these are from the 7.4M timing mat. I find it interesting that he appears to be lifting his pant leg, and that his D-tag appears to be on a lanyard around his ankle.
deadesq wrote:
triathleteguru wrote:
Deadesq, I've seen these photos a few times today, do you know the location or any other details? Obviously they establish without a doubt that "Frank on a bike" is 100% legit. But these photos, they look like he's walking up to the timing mat (which one?) and then looks up realizes he's on camera and had better start running?
Looking at the background, it's obviously on one side or the other of the Golden Gate Bridge. In looking at the course map for the 2014 SF Marathon, it looks like these are from the 7.4M timing mat. I find it interesting that he appears to be lifting his pant leg, and that his D-tag appears to be on a lanyard around his ankle.
With all due respect, posting more cheating evidence at this point just feels wrong. That has been proven beyond any doubt, regardless of what trolls post.
I say let his family hold on to the many memories of all his honorable accomplishments. It’s a sad ending and really unfortunate.
Buttcoin wrote:
Just saw this
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/record-setting-marathon-runner-accused-of-cheating-found-dead
I love the title there: "Ego pushes athletes like suspected marathon cheat to cut the course, psychologist says"
What a profound insight! Surely it would take a rather brilliant psychologist to figure that one out. SMH
Now Weldon, while I have never met you, I have been on this site long enough to know that it is practically non- moderated, except for things that you, Robert and Jonathan may not agree with.
Flat out racism has not been deleted.
Mary Cain was destroyed here when she was making the jump from girl to woman.
A J Acosta was lambasted for the jobs he had to get to make ends meet.
Mike Rossi was.....now given he cheated......but he was raked over the coals 300 times over.
The Frank Meza thread attacking his cheating was far more nasty than it has to be.
Because letsrun.com is also an interviewer and publisher site of running articles that are used by other sources regarding running, there is supposed to be a higher ethical standard that governs this board.
Unfortunately, this board is not properly legislated even as much as you want your journalism and journalists to be taken seriously.
Weldon, this is an extremely irresponsible site that decimates people's lives and offers them no recourse because, in not requiring 100% registry, you relegate serious athletes, elite or not, to the browbeating and evil speech that should be tempered on a site like this.
There's little response to direct inquiry or complaints regarding the tone or wording of a post, or regarding the behavior or post of your own staffers.
As a result, you have people who far exceedingly usurp whatever power they are entitled to make themselves the authority. Derek of Marathon Investigation had already started the overall investigation of Meza. Had he simply been able to do what he did, it would have been a cheater exposed and....scene.
But on letsrun, it was an increasingly ugly display that seemed to gain fire because it appeared unmoderated.
Like it or not, Weldon, whether it's tangentially or not. The demise of Frank Meza rests in partiality on your site because you can't even verify nor deny that Meza read your site. The entire body of this website and any direct or fringe comment made in a terribly negative way about Meza could be one of the catalysts. Deny deny deny....but you know that this is true because many read this site in secret.
No Weldon, you and your personnel don't get a pass here. What can I do? Nothing..i was not a relative nor associate of Dr. Meza. What will this do for me? Nothing...It's not about me.
But a man has died and there are hundreds of negative comments. Interesting. I'd be curious how you'll fix this site so nothing like this is allowed to happen.
Please do the right thing.
Sincerely,
Mike
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
deadesq wrote:
Are these the grainy photos to which you're referring, Tartarm?
I think if I squint I can just make out Frank there with a very interesting shoe attachment.
Are you that stupid? Try cyber bullying someone else. Or just GTFU.
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Now Weldon, while I have never met you, I have been on this site long enough to know that it is practically non- moderated, except for things that you, Robert and Jonathan may not agree with.
Flat out racism has not been deleted.
Mary Cain was destroyed here when she was making the jump from girl to woman.
A J Acosta was lambasted for the jobs he had to get to make ends meet.
Mike Rossi was.....now given he cheated......but he was raked over the coals 300 times over.
The Frank Meza thread attacking his cheating was far more nasty than it has to be.
Because letsrun.com is also an interviewer and publisher site of running articles that are used by other sources regarding running, there is supposed to be a higher ethical standard that governs this board.
Unfortunately, this board is not properly legislated even as much as you want your journalism and journalists to be taken seriously.
Weldon, this is an extremely irresponsible site that decimates people's lives and offers them no recourse because, in not requiring 100% registry, you relegate serious athletes, elite or not, to the browbeating and evil speech that should be tempered on a site like this.
There's little response to direct inquiry or complaints regarding the tone or wording of a post, or regarding the behavior or post of your own staffers.
As a result, you have people who far exceedingly usurp whatever power they are entitled to make themselves the authority. Derek of Marathon Investigation had already started the overall investigation of Meza. Had he simply been able to do what he did, it would have been a cheater exposed and....scene.
But on letsrun, it was an increasingly ugly display that seemed to gain fire because it appeared unmoderated.
Like it or not, Weldon, whether it's tangentially or not. The demise of Frank Meza rests in partiality on your site because you can't even verify nor deny that Meza read your site. The entire body of this website and any direct or fringe comment made in a terribly negative way about Meza could be one of the catalysts. Deny deny deny....but you know that this is true because many read this site in secret.
No Weldon, you and your personnel don't get a pass here. What can I do? Nothing..i was not a relative nor associate of Dr. Meza. What will this do for me? Nothing...It's not about me.
But a man has died and there are hundreds of negative comments. Interesting. I'd be curious how you'll fix this site so nothing like this is allowed to happen.
Please do the right thing.
Sincerely,
Mike
Getting really tired of hearing this argument. The man died by his own choosing, for his own reasons. People didn't go after him because they decided to do so on a whim. And cheating wasn't enough for him, he wanted to be the best in his AG without earning or deserving that spot. The guy was a fraud! He chose to take his life, the end. I've been raised with the knowledge that actions have consequences. Maybe he should've been more thoughtful of the people in his life who love him for who he was, instead of him trying to create an image of something he's not.
This site doesn't need fixing, your mentallity needs fixing. If you don't like it here, or if you don't like what people post, then don't come here or read posts here. If you don't like it, then do everyone a favor and go away. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do. Either way, I don't care.
Sincerely,
Oordeel
Roderick, what do you think got LA to finally step up and DQ FM finally for his 2019 cheating?
DQing Frank Meza was THAT important? You still feel that way? Be honest. Was it for the integrity of the "sport"? Or was it just to validate that "the LR sleuths" had proven their "case". Or both?
Your full reply:
Roderick, what do you think got LA to finally step up and DQ FM finally for his 2019 cheating? Remember, they initially told Derek they were not going to DQ him, that they would let the result stand and only require him to run with an observer in 2020. So yes, some of us were pushing for main stream media coverage to get a reluctant race organization to finally take action on blatant cheating. Did I or anyone else realize FM was fragile enough or so deeply embedded in his web of lies that he would take his own life? I certainly never imagined it and personally wish I had never clicked on the thread you started. But when I became aware of the extent and audacity of his cheating and that public pressure might be the only means to get LA Marathon to step up and clean up their results, than I and many other helped make this story go viral. We didn't do it to "ruin him". If there were a better way, say an overseeing organization that could actually DQ him, I would have filed something with that organization and let them do their thing. But that doesn't exist.[/quote]
This site, as I recall, is called Let's Run. Nowhere in the confines of running or the idea of running does it say that one should suitably prepare for harassment in order to survive here. It's not about liking or disliking posts. It's about what posts are appropriate within a site that has a journalistic matrix. When people constantly fat shame, like they did with Cain, the shamed individual has to be strong if they can...or give up. When people shame someone's dream, like they have with several potential elites, the person can try to be strong...or give up. When you shame someone under a microscope of thousands of posts and a TV tabloid story.....sometimes they give up. Frank gave up. My not coming here only renders me blind to the current evils within the site.....for myself. However, it does not guarantee that someone may meet the same fate as Meza, compliments of several people, including ones from this site. During WWII, the allied powers could not turn a blind eye, for they knew people were dying in concentration and death camps. Had they turned away...people still would have died. This has become a concentration camp of "running" chat. The effects are equally as bad as long as those who don't like what goes on in here stop coming. I tend to be far more tenacious than that. Mike
oordeel wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Now Weldon, while I have never met you, I have been on this site long enough to know that it is practically non- moderated, except for things that you, Robert and Jonathan may not agree with.
Flat out racism has not been deleted.
Mary Cain was destroyed here when she was making the jump from girl to woman.
A J Acosta was lambasted for the jobs he had to get to make ends meet.
Mike Rossi was.....now given he cheated......but he was raked over the coals 300 times over.
The Frank Meza thread attacking his cheating was far more nasty than it has to be.
Because letsrun.com is also an interviewer and publisher site of running articles that are used by other sources regarding running, there is supposed to be a higher ethical standard that governs this board.
Unfortunately, this board is not properly legislated even as much as you want your journalism and journalists to be taken seriously.
Weldon, this is an extremely irresponsible site that decimates people's lives and offers them no recourse because, in not requiring 100% registry, you relegate serious athletes, elite or not, to the browbeating and evil speech that should be tempered on a site like this.
There's little response to direct inquiry or complaints regarding the tone or wording of a post, or regarding the behavior or post of your own staffers.
As a result, you have people who far exceedingly usurp whatever power they are entitled to make themselves the authority. Derek of Marathon Investigation had already started the overall investigation of Meza. Had he simply been able to do what he did, it would have been a cheater exposed and....scene.
But on letsrun, it was an increasingly ugly display that seemed to gain fire because it appeared unmoderated.
Like it or not, Weldon, whether it's tangentially or not. The demise of Frank Meza rests in partiality on your site because you can't even verify nor deny that Meza read your site. The entire body of this website and any direct or fringe comment made in a terribly negative way about Meza could be one of the catalysts. Deny deny deny....but you know that this is true because many read this site in secret.
No Weldon, you and your personnel don't get a pass here. What can I do? Nothing..i was not a relative nor associate of Dr. Meza. What will this do for me? Nothing...It's not about me.
But a man has died and there are hundreds of negative comments. Interesting. I'd be curious how you'll fix this site so nothing like this is allowed to happen.
Please do the right thing.
Sincerely,
Mike
Getting really tired of hearing this argument. The man died by his own choosing, for his own reasons. People didn't go after him because they decided to do so on a whim. And cheating wasn't enough for him, he wanted to be the best in his AG without earning or deserving that spot. The guy was a fraud! He chose to take his life, the end. I've been raised with the knowledge that actions have consequences. Maybe he should've been more thoughtful of the people in his life who love him for who he was, instead of him trying to create an image of something he's not.
This site doesn't need fixing, your mentallity needs fixing. If you don't like it here, or if you don't like what people post, then don't come here or read posts here. If you don't like it, then do everyone a favor and go away. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do. Either way, I don't care.
Sincerely,
Oordeel
Stoppit Smith wrote:
This site, as I recall, is called Let's Run.
Nowhere in the confines of running or the idea of running does it say that one should suitably prepare for harassment in order to survive here.
It's not about liking or disliking posts. It's about what posts are appropriate within a site that has a journalistic matrix.
When people constantly fat shame, like they did with Cain, the shamed individual has to be strong if they can...or give up.
When people shame someone's dream, like they have with several potential elites, the person can try to be strong...or give up.
When you shame someone under a microscope of thousands of posts and a TV tabloid story.....sometimes they give up.
Frank gave up.
My not coming here only renders me blind to the current evils within the site.....for myself.
However, it does not guarantee that someone may meet the same fate as Meza, compliments of several people, including ones from this site.
During WWII, the allied powers could not turn a blind eye, for they knew people were dying in concentration and death camps. Had they turned away...people still would have died. This has become a concentration camp of "running" chat.
The effects are equally as bad as long as those who don't like what goes on in here stop coming.
I tend to be far more tenacious than that.
Mike
oordeel wrote:
Getting really tired of hearing this argument. The man died by his own choosing, for his own reasons. People didn't go after him because they decided to do so on a whim. And cheating wasn't enough for him, he wanted to be the best in his AG without earning or deserving that spot. The guy was a fraud! He chose to take his life, the end. I've been raised with the knowledge that actions have consequences. Maybe he should've been more thoughtful of the people in his life who love him for who he was, instead of him trying to create an image of something he's not.
This site doesn't need fixing, your mentallity needs fixing. If you don't like it here, or if you don't like what people post, then don't come here or read posts here. If you don't like it, then do everyone a favor and go away. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do. Either way, I don't care.
Sincerely,
Oordeel
Did you just seriously compare the gravity of horrors commited during WWII and what happened in concentration camps to exposing a cheating loser like Frank Meza? I don't even know where to begin to try and explain how messed up that is.
Oordeel
Absolutely.
Mike
I wonder what Peter Papadogiannis would have to say about the psychological makeup of the cheater Dane Rauschenberg. Instead of taking the Frank, Kip or Mike path, he actually enjoyed being called out as a cheat.
