As Maree appears to be typically African corrupt, probably not :
https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/olympian-sydney-maree-released-from-south-african-prison
Was also suspicious that he set his best times at almost 30, just when other African athletes like Aouita were getting hold of the new stuff.
Coevett wrote:
Yes, I do understand it. It's corruption perceived by the victims of corruption. If a Kenyan labourer tells the interviewer that he has paid 50 bribes to Kenyan police to avoid arrest although he hasn't broken any law, that 'perceived corruption' is more real and pertinent than your middle-class Cultural Marxist thesis on the Swiss banking system.
My father left school at 14 to become a farm labourer and my mother was a Glaswegian nurse and member of the communist party. I was the only boy in my school to get to university and I topped the philosophy exams at an elite university. I now earn 100K a year with about 20 hours a week work online. I might make the odd typo or get a bit easily annoyed here, but I don't think you can accuse me of being stupid. I have to say, the private school educated 'Marxists' in my philosophy tutorials did often giggle when I (the working class oik) couldn't pronounce words like dialecticism. Arguing on this forum sometimes reminds me of those days.
No you still don't get it sorry. Openly accepting huge amounts of money from criminals is a form of corruption it really is that simple and people are impacted by it. This is not even a question of philosophy and your stubborness/prejudice keeps you posting the same errors over and over again. You just cannot accept it when someone holds a different opinion (backed up with facts and understanding) from your own and you instead resort to calling them Marxists (without knowing anything about their political inclinations) and then go on to brag about your salary and university exam marks as if this corrects your error strewn argument. It come across as a Dan Pena way of arguing with someone. I suggest that you use some of your vast amounts of spare time to read some more and try to beome a little more open minded.
Coevett wrote:
As Maree appears to be typically African corrupt, probably not :
https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/olympian-sydney-maree-released-from-south-african-prisonWas also suspicious that he set his best times at almost 30, just when other African athletes like Aouita were getting hold of the new stuff.
Coe set his 1500m PR aged almost 30 ....
details are important wrote:
Coevett wrote:
As Maree appears to be typically African corrupt, probably not :
https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/olympian-sydney-maree-released-from-south-african-prisonWas also suspicious that he set his best times at almost 30, just when other African athletes like Aouita were getting hold of the new stuff.
Coe set his 1500m PR aged almost 30 ....
Sydney Maree set all his PBs at almost 30, including a 13:01 5K. His 1500m 3:29 was almost 1 1/2 seconds faster than his previous WR.
Coe (and Ovett) should have ran much faster (at 1500/Mile) earlier in their careers. Coe was hampered by piss poor pacemaking, and Ovett wasn't even going for fast times when he was arguably in his pomp. Arguably, they were also consciously not trying to put the 1500/Mile out of reach as they earned bonuses every time they broke the record.
casual obsever wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
Remember, any poster who on the one hand claims that Coe doped, and then on the other tries to claim a GDR athlete was not doping and a general all round good guy because he was a teacher of Maths and Physics, despite the fact that he is listed in Stasi documents, won't be taken seriously by any genuine historians of the sport.
Yes, anyone can give the opinion that they think Coe, or anyone, likely doped, but to also claim Beyer was less likely to have, is ludicrous. Any other comments from said person are best ignored, because they have an agenda.
Agreed. I'd say the same for the Aouita defenders.
However, you have to acknowledge the bias here in people claiming that Coe didn't dope, because drugs of the 80s were pointless in mid-distance, and then whining that Coe lost to Beyer because Beyer was a drug cheat.
Further, Coevett, your constant rants against Africans and lefties and white self-haters, well, let's just say they don't help your case.
+1
I think you summed up this situation very accurately.
Deanouk wrote:
+1.
Unfortunately, many of these 'posters' with these 'insane' comments and outlook are likely the same person who is the main culprit for being biased against Coe. Many of the comments on this thread are there to wind you up and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Remember, any poster who on the one hand claims that Coe doped, and then on the other tries to claim a GDR athlete was not doping and a general all round good guy because he was a teacher of Maths and Physics, despite the fact that he is listed in Stasi documents, won't be taken seriously by any genuine historians of the sport.
Yes, anyone can give the opinion that they think Coe, or anyone, likely doped, but to also claim Beyer was less likely to have, is ludicrous. Any other comments from said person are best ignored, because they have an agenda.
No, posters such as Coevett and yourself just cannot accept it when people hold a different opinion to that of yourselves and you will just resort to calling them insane or communists as if that is any sort of argument. Both yourself and Coevett understood absolutely nothing in my post about Byer and Straub (with Coevett I am used to this by now as I think he is blinded by prejudice). Coevett accused Beyer and Straub of blood doping without any evidence that I am aware of (the Stasi files as far as I know said that they were using steroids). That is no different from people accusing Coe of blood doping on these boards without any evidence - you can take that as you want - I guess in some weird way you are going to twist that into some poster being prejudiced against Coe.
As for intrinsic motivation to dope just looking at the life achievements, a guy like Beyer clearly had other things going on in his life besides sports when compared with Coe, Cram, or Ovett. Beyer was doped (knowingly or unknowingly) by his state -that is confirmed in the Stasi files. Were Coe, Cram, or Ovett doped? I don't know. However they had all their eggs in one basket and if they had any intrinsic pressure to dope to raise their sporting performances then it would have been stronger than in someone like Beyer who had other things to occupy his mind with in addition to sports.
Besides, you stated in this thread that steroids did not help in the middle distances so why should you be so worried about guys like Beyer or Straub? - If you really believe in that, then you cannot feel that they were taking anything that helped them perform better in the middle distances where they won their championship medals and thus Beyer and Straub won their medals fair and square.
details are important wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
+1.
Unfortunately, many of these 'posters' with these 'insane' comments and outlook are likely the same person who is the main culprit for being biased against Coe. Many of the comments on this thread are there to wind you up and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Remember, any poster who on the one hand claims that Coe doped, and then on the other tries to claim a GDR athlete was not doping and a general all round good guy because he was a teacher of Maths and Physics, despite the fact that he is listed in Stasi documents, won't be taken seriously by any genuine historians of the sport.
Yes, anyone can give the opinion that they think Coe, or anyone, likely doped, but to also claim Beyer was less likely to have, is ludicrous. Any other comments from said person are best ignored, because they have an agenda.
No, posters such as Coevett and yourself just cannot accept it when people hold a different opinion to that of yourselves and you will just resort to calling them insane or communists as if that is any sort of argument. Both yourself and Coevett understood absolutely nothing in my post about Byer and Straub (with Coevett I am used to this by now as I think he is blinded by prejudice). Coevett accused Beyer and Straub of blood doping without any evidence that I am aware of (the Stasi files as far as I know said that they were using steroids). That is no different from people accusing Coe of blood doping on these boards without any evidence - you can take that as you want - I guess in some weird way you are going to twist that into some poster being prejudiced against Coe.
As for intrinsic motivation to dope just looking at the life achievements, a guy like Beyer clearly had other things going on in his life besides sports when compared with Coe, Cram, or Ovett. Beyer was doped (knowingly or unknowingly) by his state -that is confirmed in the Stasi files. Were Coe, Cram, or Ovett doped? I don't know. However they had all their eggs in one basket and if they had any intrinsic pressure to dope to raise their sporting performances then it would have been stronger than in someone like Beyer who had other things to occupy his mind with in addition to sports.
Besides, you stated in this thread that steroids did not help in the middle distances so why should you be so worried about guys like Beyer or Straub? - If you really believe in that, then you cannot feel that they were taking anything that helped them perform better in the middle distances where they won their championship medals and thus Beyer and Straub won their medals fair and square.
But objectively speaking, you are clearly an idiot. I mean what you're saying now - that it's unfair to accuse an athlete who was known to be using steroids under a brutal Marxist doping regime of blood doping, and just as unfair as you accusing Coe of blood doping. Honestly can't you see what's wrong with that argument? And your defence of Beyer rests on the fact that he's now a maths teacher. Well that shows he's sensible given that his coach was busted quite recently for feeding 13 year old girls illegal drugs that cause heart failure and the coach close to HIM was busted for actually doping underage athletes in the GDR.
I said steroids and blood doping help in the least for the 800m, which 'coincidentally', is still the one track event that whites compete in at the highest level.
Coevett wrote:
And that's NOT mental gymnastics??? LOL! No, Coe wasn't under a state sponsored doping program run by a Marxist British government in the 70's and 80's in a society in which 1 in 4 of the population were police informers. I don't have to personally see a Stasi file that others have seen to believe that Beyer was far more likely to be doping than Coe. We know that the East Germans were doping their athletes since pre-puberty, many of them have since successfully sued as they are still living with the physical and psychological consequencecs.
I'm not going to contribute to this thread again. Some of you guys really are completely utterly insane. Do you realize the kind of people you're defending? Brutal Marxist police states, North African cheats who urged his athletes to take drugs and arguably set in motion the great African epodemic which has brought our sport to its knees. What psychological issues you must have been cursed with in your childhood. Probably bullied at your white only public school which was paid for by your Swiss banker parents or something. Now you spew Cultural Marxist filth online all day while your Polish maid works for £3 an hour 70 hours a week.
No it's not mental gymnastics, it is yet another fairly simple argument that you are incapable of understanding because of your blind prejudice. Again where is your evidence that Beyer and Straub BLOOD doped? As far as I am aware the Stasi files stated use of steroids, not blood doping and you accusing them of blood doping without any evidence is the same as any other poster accusing Coe of blood doping without any evidence. If you have read the Stasi files and have seen a statement that they blood doped then I take my argument back.
I don't defend "a kind of people" as that is dangerous as it can lead to nationalistic bias /racial pejudice - something which I fear is evident in most of the rest of your post.
I look at the information for individual cases and try to analyse on a case by case basis and put aside nation or race.
As for psychological issues I leave it to other readers of this thread to look at your post and let them decide who is the one some sort of psychological problem/chip on their shoulder.
details are important wrote:
Coevett wrote:
And that's NOT mental gymnastics??? LOL! No, Coe wasn't under a state sponsored doping program run by a Marxist British government in the 70's and 80's in a society in which 1 in 4 of the population were police informers. I don't have to personally see a Stasi file that others have seen to believe that Beyer was far more likely to be doping than Coe. We know that the East Germans were doping their athletes since pre-puberty, many of them have since successfully sued as they are still living with the physical and psychological consequencecs.
I'm not going to contribute to this thread again. Some of you guys really are completely utterly insane. Do you realize the kind of people you're defending? Brutal Marxist police states, North African cheats who urged his athletes to take drugs and arguably set in motion the great African epodemic which has brought our sport to its knees. What psychological issues you must have been cursed with in your childhood. Probably bullied at your white only public school which was paid for by your Swiss banker parents or something. Now you spew Cultural Marxist filth online all day while your Polish maid works for £3 an hour 70 hours a week.
No it's not mental gymnastics, it is yet another fairly simple argument that you are incapable of understanding because of your blind prejudice. Again where is your evidence that Beyer and Straub BLOOD doped? As far as I am aware the Stasi files stated use of steroids, not blood doping and you accusing them of blood doping without any evidence is the same as any other poster accusing Coe of blood doping without any evidence. If you have read the Stasi files and have seen a statement that they blood doped then I take my argument back.
I don't defend "a kind of people" as that is dangerous as it can lead to nationalistic bias /racial pejudice - something which I fear is evident in most of the rest of your post.
I look at the information for individual cases and try to analyse on a case by case basis and put aside nation or race.
As for psychological issues I leave it to other readers of this thread to look at your post and let them decide who is the one some sort of psychological problem/chip on their shoulder.
O.K you are an idiot. It's logical to suspect somebody of blood doping if he was under a brutal doping regime that was doping all their top athletes since puberty. It's certainly more logical or fair than accusing somebody like Coe of blood doping who has never had any evidence against him of using PEDs and did not live and compete under a Marxist regime that is the most notorious in history for sports doping, nor did Coe's coach ever get busted for feeding 13 year old female athletes illegal drugs that caused heart failure in one of them.
Honestly, have you done in anything in your life that objectively suggests you are not an idiot?
Coevett wrote:
But objectively speaking, you are clearly an idiot. I mean what you're saying now - that it's unfair to accuse an athlete who was known to be using steroids under a brutal Marxist doping regime of blood doping, and just as unfair as you accusing Coe of blood doping. Honestly can't you see what's wrong with that argument? And your defence of Beyer rests on the fact that he's now a maths teacher. Well that shows he's sensible given that his coach was busted quite recently for feeding 13 year old girls illegal drugs that cause heart failure and the coach close to HIM was busted for actually doping underage athletes in the GDR.
I said steroids and blood doping help in the least for the 800m, which 'coincidentally', is still the one track event that whites compete in at the highest level.
For the Nth time, where is your evidence that Beyer and Straub BLOOD doped? My post about steroids and the middle distances was directed at Deano.
You keep mixing things up and the readers of this thread deserve better than this.
details are important wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
+1.
Unfortunately, many of these 'posters' with these 'insane' comments and outlook are likely the same person who is the main culprit for being biased against Coe. Many of the comments on this thread are there to wind you up and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Remember, any poster who on the one hand claims that Coe doped, and then on the other tries to claim a GDR athlete was not doping and a general all round good guy because he was a teacher of Maths and Physics, despite the fact that he is listed in Stasi documents, won't be taken seriously by any genuine historians of the sport.
Yes, anyone can give the opinion that they think Coe, or anyone, likely doped, but to also claim Beyer was less likely to have, is ludicrous. Any other comments from said person are best ignored, because they have an agenda.
No, posters such as Coevett and yourself just cannot accept it when people hold a different opinion to that of yourselves and you will just resort to calling them insane or communists as if that is any sort of argument.
Why don't you check carefully what I have written before you start accusing me of things I haven't ! And while you're at it, you need to differentiate between what I write and what Coevett has written. While we agree on many things, we do not on everything.
For a start, I haven't called any posters on here 'communist', and have only used that phrase in referring to those countries of Eastern Europe in the early 80's. In addition, if you look carefully, I used the word 'insane' in quotation marks, as I was quoting the words Coevett used. That is not the same as me calling those people insane.
If you also look closely further back in this thread, I clearly stated that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and believe that Coe doped if they wish. I have simply been refuting a lot of inaccurate and false points made by a range (although I don't think it's that much of a range in reality!) of posters, who have been using said inaccuracies as evidence.
In any case, surely if people did accept other's different opinions, then there would be no posts and no reason for this website to exist. Moreover, this thread was initially about Coe's technique, so others hijacked it and turned it towards accusations of drugs, certainly not Coevett or myself. So I could turn your argument on its head and say exactly the same; that you and others 'cannot accept it when people hold a different opinion...'
details are important wrote:
Both yourself and Coevett understood absolutely nothing in my post about Byer and Straub (with Coevett I am used to this by now as I think he is blinded by prejudice). Coevett accused Beyer and Straub of blood doping without any evidence that I am aware of (the Stasi files as far as I know said that they were using steroids). That is no different from people accusing Coe of blood doping on these boards without any evidence - you can take that as you want - I guess in some weird way you are going to twist that into some poster being prejudiced against Coe.
Again, you make the mistake of lumping us together. Please explain what part of your argument you claim I do not understand?
I have never claimed that the Stasi documents claimed Beyer blood doped. I know that his name was on a list of athletes who were part of a state doping programme. I would be inclined to think this was steroids.
But to suggest that this isn't evidence of Beyer cheating is absurd. To spin it into comparing accusations of Beyer doping (with actual physical documents proving as such) with similar accusations of Coe (with no evidence whatsoever) doing likewise is equally ridiculous.
Try looking at it from a detached P.O.V
Beyer = GDR athlete = known doping nation = on Stasi list of dopers = trained by Deisner, later convicted of supplying PEDs to athletes in his care.
details are important wrote:
As for intrinsic motivation to dope just looking at the life achievements, a guy like Beyer clearly had other things going on in his life besides sports when compared with Coe, Cram, or Ovett. Beyer was doped (knowingly or unknowingly) by his state -that is confirmed in the Stasi files. Were Coe, Cram, or Ovett doped? I don't know. However they had all their eggs in one basket and if they had any intrinsic pressure to dope to raise their sporting performances then it would have been stronger than in someone like Beyer who had other things to occupy his mind with in addition to sports.
Sorry, but here you're just talking more nonsense. You clearly don't know much about this era, do you?
Cram and Ovett were full time athletes; Ovett from his teens, Cram after his degree.
Coe was never 'just running', and was always working in other spheres, with the exception of the winter of 79/80, in preparation for Moscow. After finishing his 3 year degree in 79, he did a Masters, and then worked on the Sports Council, amongst other positions, throughout the rest of his career. He was only a full time athlete for the year leading up to the 1980 Olympics. He was already involved in politics at a local level before he retired from sport. He certainly never rested on his laurels.
details are important wrote:
Besides, you stated in this thread that steroids did not help in the middle distances so why should you be so worried about guys like Beyer or Straub? - If you really believe in that, then you cannot feel that they were taking anything that helped them perform better in the middle distances where they won their championship medals and thus Beyer and Straub won their medals fair and square.
Yet again, you have misquoted me. What I said was, is that the general consensus from the vast majority of those in and around the sport in the late 70's, was that steroids were of little or no benefit for middle or distance men. It was believed at the time that it helped with explosive and strength events and was of benefit to sprinters, throwers and women in general, because of testosterone. I also added that since then, knowledge and understanding of the drugs have vastly improved, and we now know that they can help all athletes, given in the correct dosage.
I also put forward a caveat to that, which is that the GDR and the USSR were probably as advanced as any nation at the time as to what drugs help with what events, and that perhaps they had 'experimented' (I think I used that exact word) with some of their middle distance guys, which would explain the vastly superior performances put in by Beyer and Straub. I agree with Coevett, and I think I have raised this issue already on this thread, that I don't think it is a coincidence that both Beyer's breakthrough in 78 and Straub's in 80, both occurred in East European countries. We know from Sochi that countries like Russia, are not averse to covering up or tampering with tests and samples. This is not a fact, I am not presenting it as such. It is just an opinion.
But I'm sorry, you're on very thin ice when you claim that someone whose name appears on an official government document; as having been part of a state run doping programme; won his 'medal fair and square'. It's people with this kind of outlook that is ruining the sport. If it is proved you doped then it casts a shadow over an entire career, and there should be a ? over all their medals and times.
I can't remember if it was you or not, but someone tried to make out that Beyer was finished through injuries after 78. That is not the case. He was the 3rd fastest man over 800m in 81, with 1:44.31 (run in Jena, GDR, btw!), and won the European Cup 1500m gold, beating Cram in the process.
details are important wrote:
Coevett wrote:
But objectively speaking, you are clearly an idiot. I mean what you're saying now - that it's unfair to accuse an athlete who was known to be using steroids under a brutal Marxist doping regime of blood doping, and just as unfair as you accusing Coe of blood doping. Honestly can't you see what's wrong with that argument? And your defence of Beyer rests on the fact that he's now a maths teacher. Well that shows he's sensible given that his coach was busted quite recently for feeding 13 year old girls illegal drugs that cause heart failure and the coach close to HIM was busted for actually doping underage athletes in the GDR.
I said steroids and blood doping help in the least for the 800m, which 'coincidentally', is still the one track event that whites compete in at the highest level.
For the Nth time, where is your evidence that Beyer and Straub BLOOD doped? My post about steroids and the middle distances was directed at Deano.
You keep mixing things up and the readers of this thread deserve better than this.
LOL. I'm sorry but that's been YOUR role, as I documented in my previous post. You're the one who has got mixed up, lumped 2 different posters together, mis-quoted me and are now attempting to mis-direct accusations. It's an age old ploy and isn't fooling anyone.
Beyer doped. End of. It doesn't matter whether it were steroids, blood transfusions (which actually weren't illegal at the time) or anything else. His name is on an official document created by his own government. There is no hiding from that.
details are important wrote:
I don't defend "a kind of people" as that is dangerous as it can lead to nationalistic bias /racial pejudice - something which I fear is evident in most of the rest of your post.
I look at the information for individual cases and try to analyse on a case by case basis and put aside nation or race.
Crap do you! How about this in response to Coevett, from P. 18 of this thread: -
"It is tough to find the level of post that you are actually able to understand and where you don't become frustrated and resort to calling the other posters names, were you educated in the UK by any chance?"
That's a blatant swipe at a nationality. So stop being a hypocrite.
I will play along.
El G could have run 1:40.90 in his prime if he committed to it.
Geb's 3:31 indoors was worth a 3:27 outdoors.
Alan Webb could have closed the Olympics in 11.7 for the final 100m.
Coevett wrote:
Although British born, I'm not much of a fan of Britain and have permanently moved abroad. I've never gone full lefty self-hating retard though, and can recognize that British middle-distance running (and the great history of European/American/Oceanic running) is something we can be proud of.
Interesting...the way you carry on I thought you were Lord Coe's chauffeur or something. ?
Hey...Mate wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Although British born, I'm not much of a fan of Britain and have permanently moved abroad. I've never gone full lefty self-hating retard though, and can recognize that British middle-distance running (and the great history of European/American/Oceanic running) is something we can be proud of.
Interesting...the way you carry on I thought you were Lord Coe's chauffeur or something. ?
Well I just hope none of you guys defending Aouita and East German dopers are in any way, shape, or form involved with track and field.
details are important wrote:
Coevett wrote:
But objectively speaking, you are clearly an idiot. I mean what you're saying now - that it's unfair to accuse an athlete who was known to be using steroids under a brutal Marxist doping regime of blood doping, and just as unfair as you accusing Coe of blood doping. Honestly can't you see what's wrong with that argument? And your defence of Beyer rests on the fact that he's now a maths teacher. Well that shows he's sensible given that his coach was busted quite recently for feeding 13 year old girls illegal drugs that cause heart failure and the coach close to HIM was busted for actually doping underage athletes in the GDR.
I said steroids and blood doping help in the least for the 800m, which 'coincidentally', is still the one track event that whites compete in at the highest level.
For the Nth time, where is your evidence that Beyer and Straub BLOOD doped? My post about steroids and the middle distances was directed at Deano.
You keep mixing things up and the readers of this thread deserve better than this.
I think most readers here recognize you're a complete moron.
Deanouk wrote:
details are important wrote:
For the Nth time, where is your evidence that Beyer and Straub BLOOD doped? My post about steroids and the middle distances was directed at Deano.
You keep mixing things up and the readers of this thread deserve better than this.
LOL. I'm sorry but that's been YOUR role, as I documented in my previous post. You're the one who has got mixed up, lumped 2 different posters together, mis-quoted me and are now attempting to mis-direct accusations. It's an age old ploy and isn't fooling anyone.
Beyer doped. End of. It doesn't matter whether it were steroids, blood transfusions (which actually weren't illegal at the time) or anything else. His name is on an official document created by his own government. There is no hiding from that.
I would bet good money that Straub would have been doing both while Beyer probably was doing both, given his one off performance, this makes sense.
Coevett wrote:
Well I just hope none of you guys defending Aouita and East German dopers are in any way, shape, or form involved with track and field.
C'mon...that's nonsense and unfair! Because I and others like Aouita as an athlete we're defending him? And defending him of what? Your own personal suspicion that he's a doper? There's no proof - nothing even mentioned on his Wikipedia site.
You're undermining his accomplishments as arguably the most versatile distance runner ever. You're obsessed with smearing Aouita and obfuscating his place in the history of world class distance running. And what's irrational on your part is you will aggressively condemn & criticize anyone who suspects Coe or any other British mid-d runner of using PEDs, but yet you accuse Aouita of doping condemning as an evil person or something...and expect everyone to support your position or they're "defending" him.
Aouita was a great talent with his blend of raw speed & endurance. He trained very hard and interestingly was self-coached. He laid it on the line when showed up to race. You knew Aouita left everything out on the track and never made excuses. Even your impeccable hero Coe had a few nice things to say about Aouita in this interesting review of his training & accomplishments:
https://www.runnerstribe.com/features/special-methods-training-said-aouita/details are important wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Pretty sure both were blood doping like most East Germans. Certainly explain how Straub could have managed that extraordinary 700m kick for home in Moscow when he did little else in his career. Anyway, the point is in the West it was felt that steroids had no benefit at least to the 1500m. Beyer produced an extraordinary performance in Prague 78 to win the 800m then got thrashed by Ovett in the 1500m. In 1981 (I think), he won the 1500m European Cup and then got thrashed by Coe in the 800m. Perhaps he had eased off the steroids in between as he certainly lost it as an 800m runner after 78. It would be interesting to compare photos of him from 78 to 81.
We have no example as far as I'm aware of steroids benefiting Milers. In case you've forgotten, Coe was setting Mile and 1500m WRs days after breaking 800m WRs (and winning 1500m golds days after winning Olympic silvers in the 800m). Aouita was the first obvious doper who clearly was taking something/s that were enabling him to run fast times from 800m to 10000m. Likely it was blood doping in Italy and the new form of HGH that became available in the USA just at the precise time he started training there in 83/84 (and later told his Australian runners that HGH was the drug of choice if they wanted to compete with the best). HGH is not a steroid btw.
Unless you saw that the Stasi files on Beyer and Straub showed blood doping and steroid use then you being "pretty sure both were blood doping" is about as valid as other posters being pretty sure that Coe was blood doping.
Beyer suffered a serious foot injury soon after Prague which required surgery in 1979 and that was pretty much career ending in terms of being able to train at his highest level. He would have had a great chance to win the 800m in Moscow. He is a very intelligent guy and teaches maths and physics today which suggests that he has lived a much more balanced life than Coe/Cram and Ovett who have little to answer for themselves outside of sports. Some would argue that this would have meant more pressure on them to dope. At the end of the day Beyer won fair and square in Prague and was younger than Coe and Ovett with less training under his belt. Another argument for Beyer is that he still competes today showing that he ran for the love of the sport itself suggesting less intrinsic motivation to dope:
https://www.iaaf.org/news/news/beyer-rises-to-the-top-of-the-podium-once-mor
Jurgen Straub ran a tactically superb race in the 1980 Olympic 1500m final.
He ran the whole race on the curb while Ovett was running on the outside of lane 1 or inside of lane 2 for the whole race.
Straub knew his best chance to win a medal as he could not beat the Britons in a final sprint was to drive from home 700m out after a ridiculously slow first 800m of 2:05.