Kerley was in the wrong. If you fight with police officers, you’re likely going to get tased or sprayed. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Tyreek Hill played the same stupid games in Miami, he won some pretty stupid prizes too. People need to grow up and quit acting fools.
The police officer in the Tyreek Hill incident is nothing more than a road pirate. He lost his temper and had a hissy fit when a citizen wasn't kissing his a$. It's the officer's job to be professional and to deescalate situations where citizens are mad, not turn to violence and punish them for it. We taxpayers pay their salary.
You clearly didn’t watch that video. He gave Hill many chances to be cooperative, and the chances were all rebuffed. Hill is just another disrespectful, entitled asshat who refused to obey lawful orders after getting pulled over for reckless driving. He was a danger to the public. He played a stupid game, he won a stupid prize.
Until you work in some type of law enforcement and see how this type of behavior affects the safety of others, your opinion means a great deal less than those who have “been there and done that.”
"Additional problems for Fred Though Kerley was technically released on his own recognizance for the incident with police, he remained in a Miami jail after the hearing. Police added charges from a nearly year-old case on Friday, claiming they were not able to locate him in May 2024. (Kerley competed at the U.S. Olympic Trials the next month, and the Olympics later that summer.) The new charges against Kerley were serious felonies: strongarm robbery, domestic violence, and domestic violence by strangulation."
This is nonsense too! He had some of his personal stuff taken and when he went to get it back they fought with him and then tried to press charges against him. It was a total "Nothing Burger".
The police officer in the Tyreek Hill incident is nothing more than a road pirate. He lost his temper and had a hissy fit when a citizen wasn't kissing his a$. It's the officer's job to be professional and to deescalate situations where citizens are mad, not turn to violence and punish them for it. We taxpayers pay their salary.
You clearly didn’t watch that video. He gave Hill many chances to be cooperative, and the chances were all rebuffed. Hill is just another disrespectful, entitled asshat who refused to obey lawful orders after getting pulled over for reckless driving. He was a danger to the public. He played a stupid game, he won a stupid prize.
Until you work in some type of law enforcement and see how this type of behavior affects the safety of others, your opinion means a great deal less than those who have “been there and done that.”
It's clear YOU haven't watched the video, or it's been too long since you have seen it. The motorcycle cop rides like a maniac weaving and speeding through traffic putting citizens lives at danger just to pull over someone that may have been a little over the speed limit. Tyreek obeys the officer when stopped, and provides all essential materials the cop needs to perform the "speeding" citation. The cop loses his cool when Tyreek tells him not to unnecessarily bang on his car window. The cop then escalates by using violence to punish a citizen for not being respectful and not following orders that aren't lawful.
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In a situation like this, one must rememebr two things:
1) The police don't want to be there and have an inherently dangerous job.
2) The police via the State have a monopoly on violence.
Given these two facts that we cannot change, when confronted by police in a public setting, one should be polite, calm, and politely ask what they can do, remembering the police are human and will #1 protect themselves if confronted becasue they want to go home to their families. Kerley should have been calm, polite, and walked away when the police advanced on him. No reason to reach towards an officer or knock their hand away in this case. Best to retreat.
In a situation like this, one must rememebr two things:
1) The police don't want to be there and have an inherently dangerous job.
2) The police via the State have a monopoly on violence.
Given these two facts that we cannot change, when confronted by police in a public setting, one should be polite, calm, and politely ask what they can do, remembering the police are human and will #1 protect themselves if confronted becasue they want to go home to their families. Kerley should have been calm, polite, and walked away when the police advanced on him. No reason to reach towards an officer or knock their hand away in this case. Best to retreat.
I fully agree with point #2, and even that it is best practice to be polite when interacting with law enforcement. But with that said, there is no law requiring you to be polite. Not being polite or arguing with an officer does not give them the right to turn to violence.
In a situation like this, one must rememebr two things:
1) The police don't want to be there and have an inherently dangerous job.
2) The police via the State have a monopoly on violence.
Given these two facts that we cannot change, when confronted by police in a public setting, one should be polite, calm, and politely ask what they can do, remembering the police are human and will #1 protect themselves if confronted becasue they want to go home to their families. Kerley should have been calm, polite, and walked away when the police advanced on him. No reason to reach towards an officer or knock their hand away in this case. Best to retreat.
The bodycam clearly shows the officer is the one to initiate physical contact. I also didn't see where Kerley "reaches towards an officer" like you claim.
The police are the real issue here. It doesn't sound like the cops should have escalated it the way they did.
I've seen the police be more patient and less aggressive with actual felons.
No excuses for Fred's behavior, but the cops really didn't need to shoot him with a dart firing stun gun for just standing there. Seems like a massive abuse of power.
lol what a joke. Would you have chest bumped and pushed on officer?
i cant imagine the cop making space by touching fred was a problem but when fred brushes it off, what does florida law say about that? seems like this would be a sticking point, whether youre allowed to touch a cop as an innocent bystander (at the time).
the cop reacts by shoving fred- which is an insane escalation but might be permissible if fred wasnt allowed to touch him in the first place. if the initial touch by fred was not unlawful, then it might come down to if the cop would be allowed to "defend" himself so aggressively and how he could portray the actual threatening nature of the situation. (also contingent on what fred might have said.)
then when fred comes back like this is a regular old street fight he really complicates things for himself. it seems like his hope for a positive outcome hinges on the laws in florida for the first two interactions.
If Fred had just complied with the LEO requests he wouldn't have had anything happen to him. Instead he decided to escalate the situation and he got dealt with. I'm sure the officers didn't want to go hands on with him either as he had nothing to do with why they (the police) were there.
If Fred had just complied with the LEO requests he wouldn't have had anything happen to him. Instead he decided to escalate the situation and he got dealt with. I'm sure the officers didn't want to go hands on with him either as he had nothing to do with why they (the police) were there.
What were the requests? Was it to not enter a police crime scene? If he was in an active police scene at the time of the altercation then so were the other groups of people standing right there as well. Were they told to leave also? Unless more information comes out its pretty clear to me this incident is simply the result of officers taking offense to someone questioning what they were doing, which is completely legal.
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Fred Kirley was raised by his aunt because his father was in prison and his mother abandoned him.....This HAS to have a profound effect on a child, likely a smoldering rage which manifests itself after a few drinks or pops up unexpectedly in difficult situations. Doesn't excuse him though, he has to control himself.