Hardloper wrote:
Actually I'm surprised how many people I know IRL who told me they heard the news about Kiptum, including non-runners and runners who don't follow pro running.
Well, its in the mainstream news (here at least)
LRC note: We changed the thread title. It was started when people weren't sure if he had died and it was entitled, "Rip Kelvin Kiptum??"
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one tree wrote:
There should be a proper investigation; what about the condition of the car, or the airbags, why did they not work? It's a new car. The stretch is uphill, no bumps to be seen. Kevin had never and did not drink alcohol. What are the autopsy results? Questions, World Athletics at least should ask officially the Kenyan government.
No disrespect, but why, and how? And very unlikely. There are 15,000 road fatalities in Kenya every year.
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I am Sam wrote:
one tree wrote:
There should be a proper investigation; what about the condition of the car, or the airbags, why did they not work? It's a new car. The stretch is uphill, no bumps to be seen. Kevin had never and did not drink alcohol. What are the autopsy results? Questions, World Athletics at least should ask officially the Kenyan government.
No disrespect, but why, and how? And very unlikely. There are 15,000 road fatalities in Kenya every year.
Because Kevin Kiptum is connected to Athletics forever?
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I am Sam wrote:
one tree wrote:
There should be a proper investigation; what about the condition of the car, or the airbags, why did they not work? It's a new car. The stretch is uphill, no bumps to be seen. Kevin had never and did not drink alcohol. What are the autopsy results? Questions, World Athletics at least should ask officially the Kenyan government.
No disrespect, but why, and how? And very unlikely. There are 15,000 road fatalities in Kenya every year.
And how? Isn't this exactly the point? The problem Kenya should start to face, especially in that area where a lot of top athletes train and drive.
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Why are people continuing to comment on it happening at 11 PM? Perhaps this is when the news broke in general, but in the Pulse article about his dad, his dad says “I received news of his death at around 9.30pm while I was watching news. I was told they had seen a car in the forest and it looks like that of my son.”
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one tree wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
No disrespect, but why, and how? And very unlikely. There are 15,000 road fatalities in Kenya every year.
And how? Isn't this exactly the point? The problem Kenya should start to face, especially in that area where a lot of top athletes train and drive.
So...a road that looks perfectly fine, and you want what? A thorough investigation? They are already doing an autopsy which will (or should) give details on any intoxication (if present), drugs etc. They already know its high speed, but their standard measurements should rule that in or out, and evidence of pot holes etc would be clear, plus one witness at least
Now what would the improvement be for this one road, amongst many, that top athletes drive. Another road speed limit sign to be ignored?
Driving is a behavioural thing. You only change that with strct enforcement of laws. Yes, we here are very rules based, but you learn, you accept that everyone benefits and everyone shares the road. If you don't follow up on fines, cancel licences, jail offenders of serious accidents, stamp out bribes/corruption (hardest), nothing will change.
Kiptum may have been the fastest marathoner, but behind the wheel he was probably doing exactly what everyone else does and gets away with
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one tree wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
No disrespect, but why, and how? And very unlikely. There are 15,000 road fatalities in Kenya every year.
And how? Isn't this exactly the point? The problem Kenya should start to face, especially in that area where a lot of top athletes train and drive.
After this fatality, if the Kenyan government does not fix the serious problem of the majority of roads in the Rift Valley, Many people might think that it is on purpose, to make it difficult for WADA testers to access the villages where thousands of elite runners live and train.
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one tree wrote:
There should be a proper investigation; what about the condition of the car, or the airbags, why did they not work? It's a new car. The stretch is uphill, no bumps to be seen. Kevin had never and did not drink alcohol. What are the autopsy results? Questions,
World Athletics at least should ask officially the Kenyan government.
Since when is World Athletics involved in car accident investigations?
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about time they should be
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RIP Kelvin Kiptum
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pachip wrote:
one tree wrote:
And how? Isn't this exactly the point? The problem Kenya should start to face, especially in that area where a lot of top athletes train and drive.
After this fatality, if the Kenyan government does not fix the serious problem of the majority of roads in the Rift Valley, Many people might think that it is on purpose, to make it difficult for WADA testers to access the villages where thousands of elite runners live and train.
You're crazy. No, most people don't think that a government purposely has bad roads that kill 15,000 of it's citizens every year in car accidents, just so that a few runners don't get in trouble.
Where do you come up with such nonsense?
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pachip wrote:
one tree wrote:
And how? Isn't this exactly the point? The problem Kenya should start to face, especially in that area where a lot of top athletes train and drive.
After this fatality, if the Kenyan government does not fix the serious problem of the majority of roads in the Rift Valley, Many people might think that it is on purpose, to make it difficult for WADA testers to access the villages where thousands of elite runners live and train.
Wow...now you are smoking the good shjt
Many people might?...No , just you mate
Have another pull
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...and by the way, bad roads don't kill people, never has. Bad drivers, and not driving to conditions, not at full senses etc etc, that does
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He went home after watching the Africa Cup final (soccer) according to an article, because he didn’t have a television at home.
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Forgot to add, not sure if anyone remembers, at the time South African marathon champion, who came 5th at 2002 London Marathon in 2:07:06, drove off a bridge over the Orange River (biggest in SA), killing both him and his son, on christmas day 2004, racing from Johannesburg to Cape Town in his new BMW. He was 28.
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I am Sam wrote:
Forgot to add, not sure if anyone remembers, at the time South African marathon champion, who came 5th at 2002 London Marathon in 2:07:06, drove off a bridge over the Orange River (biggest in SA), killing both him and his son, on christmas day 2004, racing from Johannesburg to Cape Town in his new BMW. He was 28.
Sorry, forgot to add his name, Ian Syster
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You may have missed this line from the story in the Nation newspaper online:
This is the survivor speaking: Sharon told police that Kiptum lost control of the vehicle and alerted him (sic) but it was too late and they landed in a ditch.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Kiptum was driving too fast on a dark road and lost control of the car. The photos show that it was likely being driven at high speed , spun off the road into a ditch flipped over and hit a tree, basically shearing off the roof.
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I am Sam wrote:
...and by the way, bad roads don't kill people, never has. Bad drivers, and not driving to conditions, not at full senses etc etc, that does
Indeed, as they say, the only way to deter a bad driver with a bad road is a good driver with a bad road; or something like that.
RIP.
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No F-ing way! Kiptum died?!
Wtf. Just found about this. Doesn't seem real. Was a legend already and could have been a legend of all legends. If he only had the time!
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World Athletics still has him ranked as #1. So sad.30
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