Serious thread about election fraud

Trump stole 150k votes in Texas and 200k in Florida. I can't imagine. you. need more evidence than that.

Seriously there isn't a single thing up there that is backed up with any facts. There weren't 3000 dead people voting. There were like 100 (i.e. people who mailed in ballots and died). It is a normal occurence. There are another thousand or two where it is questionable if the person is eligible. You know sort of like how Trump registered to vote illegally in 2019 (twice actually). There wasn't a single place where poll watchers weren't allowed in. The whistler blower accusations are beyond stupid (i.e. who is rolling around in a van marked Harris/Bidden and rigging an election. Seriously you don't think they could find a generic white van?). And so on.

People will spew this click bait stuff for as long as it pays off. But the history. of them finding massive fraud is basically zero.

There aren't "legitimate" doubts about Biden. That is the entire point... do you really want to set a precedent where a losing party can just declare fraud and stop the winning candidate from taking office with LITERALLY no non-circumstantial evidence?

highhoppingworm wrote:

There aren't "legitimate" doubts about Biden. That is the entire point... do you really want to set a precedent where a losing party can just declare fraud and stop the winning candidate from taking office with LITERALLY no non-circumstantial evidence?

I'm trying to be diplomatic here and saying it's just tough that the time for an investigation is short. And my conclusion is the evidence would have to be extraordinary to consider any kind of delay. Agreed - so far the courts haven't found anything legitimate.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Cool. So what you are saying is that you look forward to a targeted investigation tied directly to affidavits and other yet unsubstantiated evidence that may or may not yield voter fraud. Correct?

Do you understand how different that sounds than the tenor of this thread?

No, that is not what I'm saying. Signed affidavits (eye witness evidence), claim voter fraud occurred. An investigation will look into these accounts and see if there is additional evidence and whether a case can be mounted and brought to court .

Tenor of this thread..? Are you asking why I don't just fall in line with what everyone else is saying? Yes, my comments go against the tenor; but they're still on topic.

highhoppingworm wrote:

naturopaths4trump wrote:

Congrats, this is the dumbest post I've read all day!

"We're turning the corner on this virus"

"Windmills cause cancer"

And other stupid sh*t the GOP enables Trump to say

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Oof. 50/50 split between republicans and democrats who are "scientist". I guess how we define a scientist is important here but holy cow. How someone could even put their socks on in the morning while believing something like the above is beyond my ability to comprehend.

The irony is that myself and my circle of closest friends who happen to all have a Master's plus level of education, look at you and your woke ilk and say the exact same things about you..But, you are from the party of science and nonfiction, so your team must be right (as always).

Why did you blow off the above poster's reply regarding obvious voter fraud? Deep down, you know that dems did indeed commit voter fraud (I am sure that some

conservatives tried also), you just can't admit it out loud. The election may be over, but some heads will roll in the near future. You disregard it. Oh well.

alternate opinion wrote:

One problem I see is there is a very short window here before the certification of results and inauguration.

I welcome an investigation but recognize that a full, thorough investigation would probably take months if there were no time constraints. But I don't want to give Trump another 6 months of "free presidency". We also can't transition if there are legitimate doubts about Biden.

I think the evidence would have to be extraordinary to consider delaying (not that anyone here is suggesting that but it seems like a problem to me).

In 2016, Trump won MI/PA/WI by 77K votes, got 306 EVs and received a concession speech from Clinton + WH meeting from Obama.

In 2020, Biden won same states by 214K+ votes, is on track for same 306 EVs and most of GOP is refusing to recognize outcome.

Why is this? What evidence of conspiracy is there other than an incredibly sore loser of a President.

highhoppingworm wrote:

do you really want to set a precedent where a losing party can just declare fraud and stop the winning candidate from taking office with LITERALLY no non-circumstantial evidence?

Be sure to add "that was puclically orchestrated months prior to the election. The guy begged his supporters not to use mail in balloting so he could cry fraud only "if" he lost. The GOP even sabotaged the U.S. mail to try to stop and question mail in voting. It has all played out exactly as planned and shared prior to the election.

These dummies are following a shady used car salesman and refuse to recognize that fact. Have more pride than that!

george c wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

do you really want to set a precedent where a losing party can just declare fraud and stop the winning candidate from taking office with LITERALLY no non-circumstantial evidence?

Be sure to add "that was puclically orchestrated months prior to the election. The guy begged his supporters not to use mail in balloting so he could cry fraud only "if" he lost. The GOP even sabotaged the U.S. mail to try to stop and question mail in voting. It has all played out exactly as planned and shared prior to the election.

These dummies are following a shady used car salesman and refuse to recognize that fact. Have more pride than that!

So you agree that both sides have been involved in voter fraud and suppression?

krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:

This is where a conservative-leaning court, including a judge that was viciously slandered by Biden during his confirmation, will have the final call just like in 2000.

Buckle up.

This is how you want our country to work? This is your preferred version of a democracy? A fever dream of a petty man, seeking vengeance for having something unkind said about him, reversing the will of the people?

We're talking hundreds of votes in FL compared to tens of thousands of votes in multiple states. This is not "just like in 2000."

Oh wow, your circle of friends have masters degrees. That must mean that there is a 50/50 split between conservative and liberal "scientists" whatever the hell a "scientist" is. Oh ya, it must also mean that things are trending conservative. Why don't we look at some actual data...

If you are simply pegging this to advanced degrees would you like to re-evaluate your statement?

Agingrunner wrote:

george c wrote:

Be sure to add "that was puclically orchestrated months prior to the election. The guy begged his supporters not to use mail in balloting so he could cry fraud only "if" he lost. The GOP even sabotaged the U.S. mail to try to stop and question mail in voting. It has all played out exactly as planned and shared prior to the election.

These dummies are following a shady used car salesman and refuse to recognize that fact. Have more pride than that!

So you agree that both sides have been involved in voter fraud and suppression?

This isn't a gotcha.

There are usually a handful of voter fraud cases prosecuted every year. They are usually targeted for small local elections -- not big national ones where it is hard to affect the count. They don't seem to trend for one party more than another except that small communities tend to be more conservative.

None of this has an appreciable effect on the outcomes of national elections.

Quote from Pew on a 2020 study:

Education and race. Just as the nation has become more racially and ethnically diverse, it also has become better educated. Still, just 36% of registered voters have a four-year college degree or more education; a sizable majority (64%) have not completed college. Democrats increasingly dominate in party identification among white college graduates – and maintain wide and long-standing advantages among black, Hispanic and Asian American voters. Republicans increasingly dominate in party affiliation among white non-college voters, who continue to make up a majority (57%) of all GOP voters.

And another on Republican views of education...

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/the-growing-partisan-divide-in-views-of-higher-education/

george c wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

do you really want to set a precedent where a losing party can just declare fraud and stop the winning candidate from taking office with LITERALLY no non-circumstantial evidence?

Be sure to add "that was puclically orchestrated months prior to the election. The guy begged his supporters not to use mail in balloting so he could cry fraud only "if" he lost. The GOP even sabotaged the U.S. mail to try to stop and question mail in voting. It has all played out exactly as planned and shared prior to the election.

These dummies are following a shady used car salesman and refuse to recognize that fact. Have more pride than that!

I posted this else where but some of these people are literally willing to subject themselves to the trumps like they are serfs in England. What do they care about the election results as long as The Dear Leader Trump rules them. These so called Patriots would have been hiding behind General Howe in NYC in 1777 toasting to the health of George III while real Patriots were putting it on the line to give us the right to vote.

“ Casting his mind into the future, past this election, he could imagine any number of outcomes.

He could imagine the United States splitting into two countries, one governed by Trump and one not. He could imagine suspending elections so Trump and his family could rule without interruption for 20 years.

“I guarantee you, Trump supporters would not care,” he said. “I guarantee you, if you got 69 million Trump supporters, and you said, ‘Would you be good with Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump as president?’ a lot of people would be 100% behind that.”

He was gathering his things — he had a shift at the salon — and his tone was calm. He is only 26. There is plenty of time. He was waiting for cues from his leader.

“In Trump we trust, and as far as everything else, it’s all going to fall into place,” he said. “It’s not happening today, and it’s not happening tomorrow.”

krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:

"Whistler blowers" may or may not have evidence; but credible whistler blower complaints should get some level of investigation where evidence could be discovered.

Poll watcher were refused entry into some counting sites in Philadelphia. This is against the law and their physical removal from the voting room is evidence of election malfeasance. Without those polls watchers in the room, it's quite possible that those votes will be invalidated.

I don't know what else you'd need as evidence. Voter fraud is not a crime that involves a bloody glove or bullet & gun.

So the guy in Philadelphia this week with Rudy at Four Seasons Total Landscaping was not only a registered sex offender, but is also a resident of New Jersey. He claims to have been 'denied access to be a poll watcher in Philadelphia' but in order to be a poll watcher in Philadelphia you have to be a resident of the county. I'm sorry he didn't get to illegally observe the polls, I guess?

Meanwhile the case in Georgia was regarding a mere 53 ballots that the witness claimed arrived after 7:00PM, but that case was dismissed because the witness had NO evidence. (Also no mention of those ballots voted for...but even if they were all for Biden and the witness wasn't lying to begin with...you're 0.4% of the way to reversing Trump's loss in Georgia.) Almost there!

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

Trump stole 150k votes in Texas and 200k in Florida. I can't imagine. you. need more evidence than that.

I know you're just making a point here but to reply to your argument: if you have an eye witness account of fraud then reach out to a lawyer, sign an affidavit attesting what you witnessed and see if someone (a Texas Democrat group) wants to bring it to court.

If no one wants to bring it to court for you, hire a lawyer to bring it to Texas state court for you. If your eye witness testimony is credible the court can order remedy. If you don't like the court's decision, you can appeal to a higher court. If your eye witness evidence that you including in your sworn affidavit is shown to be fraudulent, then you committed a crime and you may be prosecuted.

DerpDaDerpDerp wrote:

In 2016, Trump won MI/PA/WI by 77K votes, got 306 EVs and received a concession speech from Clinton + WH meeting from Obama.

In 2020, Biden won same states by 214K+ votes, is on track for same 306 EVs and most of GOP is refusing to recognize outcome.

Why is this? What evidence of conspiracy is there other than an incredibly sore loser of a President.

Vote totals don't prove fraud either way, I wouldn't rely on that as an argument.

We know why the GOP is refusing to recognize the outcome - because Trump is refusing to recognize the outcome. If he was a gracious loser I think we'd all be moving on by now, but he's not. I shared above that he made the same stolen election and fraud claims when he lost the Iowa caucus to Cruz in 2016. The guy just cries wolf.

On the other hand people are claiming there is real evidence so I'll wait to see it in court. In my opinion if it doesn't appear there then it wasn't deemed credible by even Trump's legal team.

Agingrunner wrote:

So you agree that both sides have been involved in voter fraud and suppression?

Absolutely, if there is evidence. i am not a Dem hack normally but have too much sense to be duped by a low-IQ grifter so I am a strong Dem currently.

For instance both sides have a history of gerrymandering whenever they can.

Currently, there is case after case of voter supression on the GOP side. Their failure to pass Election Security bills. Trump pushing supporters to avoid mail-in ballots so he could cry fraud only if he lost. "No evidence of anything" per Trump appointed Federal Elections Commission commissioner.

It goes on and on and on and always comes back to someone with R in front of their name working backward to try to substanciate everything this dumba$$ says. They should pridefully kick his butt to the curb and regain their party. Then I might be swayed back towrd the middle hating both parties, where I belong.

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:

This is where a conservative-leaning court, including a judge that was viciously slandered by Biden during his confirmation, will have the final call just like in 2000.

Buckle up.

This is how you want our country to work? This is your preferred version of a democracy? A fever dream of a petty man, seeking vengeance for having something unkind said about him, reversing the will of the people?

We're talking hundreds of votes in FL compared to tens of thousands of votes in multiple states. This is not "just like in 2000."

You can't claim the will of the people.

Voter fraud occurred - without doubt. When you have mail-in ballots, the level of voter fraud is multiplied - hundreds of votes in 2000 = thousands of votes in 2020.

Wide-spread voter fraud is not required. Surgical voter fraud, in a handful of Democrat-run cities in a few swing states is all that was needed to flip a state.