Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

Smoove wrote:

Have to say, this was pretty fair.

I read the article last night after a social function and missed a big chunk of it. It was a decent article in retrospect with fresh and sober eyes.

Mel Gibson, the real one wrote:

Your aluminum foil hat is on just a little too tightly. It is restricting blood flow to your brain and making you slightly more paranoid than normal.

I seemed to miss a big chunk too, I wonder if part of it doesn't show up in the mobile version.

visitors to LetsRun for the second time. wrote:

FrankMezaTrump wrote:

Frank, you sly devil. Nice to see you're here reading you pathological, delusional, lying, morally corrupt, cheatin' fool

Most people aren't going to take LetsRun seriously if dissenting opinions are attacked. This thread is like reading Lord of the Flies. It really starts out reasonable and then.....

ha. said the snowflake whose first post calling someone who accurately gave a decent assessment a verbose, condescending, narcissistic sociopath. The Frank Meza camp is full of morons.

visitor to LetsRun for the first time. wrote:

Thanks for your opinion you verbose, condescending, narcissistic, sociopath who assumes that we are too lazy to either read the entire thread or too dumb to comprehend it despite your inability to distinguish conjecture and speculation from proof.

Bravo, you just described Frank. A verbose, condescending, narcissistic sociopath indeed.,,

And for anyone new to this thread wanting to distinguish conjecture and speculation from truth please visit this site where there are five articles conclusively proving Frank Meza is a CHEAT.

FrankMezaTrump wrote:

visitor to LetsRun for the first time. wrote:

Thanks for your opinion you verbose, condescending, narcissistic, sociopath who assumes that we are too lazy to either read the entire thread or too dumb to comprehend it despite your inability to distinguish conjecture and speculation from proof.

Frank, you sly devil. Nice to see you're here reading you pathological, delusional, lying, morally corrupt, cheatin' fool

More likely to be Diaz as the post he was going off about referenced Frank being protected by his connections

. Guess Diaz is feeling the Cheat-Heat of cuddling up to Frankie for so long, that the glare of sudden unwanted publicity is making his palms go a little sweaty...

Location Location Location !!!

I think the article could have gone further but it does show people outside the running community now know about Frank.

What I am waiting to see is where the editors decide to put the story in the print edition. If they put it on page D-1 of the sports section then that means a lot more than D-6 at the bottom of the page. Hopefully someone will post a picture of the story when it comes out.

visitor to LetsRun for the first time wrote:

A better way to prove your point:

We know Dr Frank Meza cheated because someone who is running a world record time doesn't spend several minutes standing on the side of the course and also doesn't waste time looking for a bathroom. Dr Frank Meza needed to wait off the course just prior to reaching the timing mat so that he wouldn't be caught appearing to run, without being seen doing so, at a ridiculously fast pace.

Fixed it for you.

LA Times :

“Meza agreed but ended up skipping L.A. in 2016, entering the Oakland Marathon instead. The track team at nearby UC Berkeley had three Loyola alumni on the roster that season.”

“I wanted to run with them,” he says.

Brandt, who transferred to UCLA where he became an All-American in cross country, was one of those runners. He declined to comment for this article.”

It’s highly doubtful three D1 runners are going to pay a marathon race entry fee AND run a marathon in the midst of track season. A stunt like that would get most runners thrown off the team.

Printer's Devil wrote:

visitor to LetsRun for the first time wrote:

A better way to prove your point:

We know Dr Frank Meza cheated because someone who is running a world record time doesn't spend several minutes standing on the side of the course and also doesn't waste time looking for a bathroom. Dr Frank Meza needed to wait off the course just prior to reaching the timing mat so that he wouldn't be caught appearing to run, without being seen doing so, at a ridiculously fast pace.

Fixed it for you.

Thank you, much improved.

Why would they get thrown off the team for an easy long distance training run?

I don’t think we explained the cheating simple enough for a non- runner to understand. The LAT article does imply that he most likely cheated, but doesn’t go in to how preposterous the cheating was. For non-runners, Frank was over 70 years old when he allegedly ran a world record time, it is equivalent to winning a Gold Medal at the Olympics for a younger runner of similar capability. Oh, and while he was winning the Gold Medal, he stopped a few times to urinate. Oh again, there’s also pictures of him at the side of the road on the sidewalk, possibly stretching or something before jumping back on the course to win Gold. Imagine how fast he would be if he just ran without taking all those breaks.

Frank said all this attention is upsetting to him, and he doesn’t know what to do. A runner runs, someone who is as fast as Frank claimed to be would simply show results by running, and would do it immediately.

The Oakland Running Festival offers a total cash prize of $3300 for the full marathon. Both men & women marathon champions will receive $500. Cash awards are five (5) deep in $100 incriments. There is a $150 prize purse for the male and female marathon Master’s Champion. In addition, we will award age group prizes for men and women.

I didn’t elaborate on the earlier post. Frank’s excuse of skipping out on an observed 2016 LA Marathon for Oakland is lame. He cited “I wanted to run with them” which makes it sound like they’re competing in this race and he’s joining. This is where it’s sketchy, because most NCAA track athletes aren’t looking to run road races offering prize money that barely covers their race fee with former coaches during the season. It’s doubtful their weekend long run read “run 26.2 miles at 6:50 pace” even though a decent college distance runner would have zero problem doing it.

In addition the LAM and Oakland were five weeks apart. Frank forgot the 2016 LAM was moved up to February 14th in conjunction with the Olympic Trials. Twice in 2014 Frank ran marathons back to back marathons in five weeks or less so he’s more than capable of doing both. But telling lies catches up and its hard to keep them straight. He’s good at cheating the course but not much of a liar.

2016 OAKLAND MARATHON March 20th

http://www.oaklandmarathon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/oaklandconfirmationbook2016-FINAL.pdf

https://results.rmraces.live/Corrigan-Sports-Enterprises/events/2016/Oakland-Running-Festival-2016/results

LA MARATHON February 14

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2616559-la-marathon-2016-results-mens-and-womens-top-finishers.amp.html

https://calbears.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=407

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Rappaport wrote:

I told you to read this thread and then get back to me. You obvious haven’t or you wouldn’t be on this idiotic tirade.

Lamer still, you made the accusation, I said OK back it up, you can't.

1/10

I already did.

Uncle Rico wrote:

Think of it this way...

The guy is alleging that he ran the fkt for 70+ male at a relatively major marathon in a major city, and the ONLY mainstream coverage it has received is an article about whether he cheated. Said article certainly did not go out of its way to exonerate him. In fact, the article notes that LAM is in the process of disqualifying him.

Justice is being meshed out, and all of the hard work of the posters here paid off.

The cheater's true identity has been outed. He won't be running anymore bogus fkts, or taking recognition away from the folks who put in the work and run legitimate times.

Is it time to move on?

Wait! Full-stop! Are you implying that Frank Meza is a....wait for it, wait for it: A LIAR!!!!?.

Another lie uncovered. Yes, good at cheating horrible at lying.

He could contact Amby Burfoot, ask him to meet at a track with stopwatch and a video camera. A 5000 metres in 19 minutes or less would be a good start to establishing his credentials if legit. Naturally this doesn't explain the photographic, video and split timing issues.

I believe that issuing challenges to prove he can run suggests doubt on our part about whether he cheated.

There is no doubt. He cheated. Many, many times. The evidence is conclusive.

Please stop issuing challenges that suggest doing something now or in the future will cast doubt on whether he cheated in the past. He cheated. Period.

You are muddying your own water, which helps Frank not us.

Well done. Of course any self respecting athlete would DEMAND someone head right to a track and then run with an approved spotter and videotape with garmin to show he can run a 5K in least in 17:45. Again, that would prove only that he can run fast. (which he cant) Not that he didn't cheat but at least it will make him half-right or half wrong). And frank, I know it's LA and there are a lot of stunt doubles so no searching the internet for a Frank Meza look-alike to run for you.

RossiCheated wrote:

I believe that issuing challenges to prove he can run suggests doubt on our part about whether he cheated.

There is no doubt. He cheated. Many, many times. The evidence is conclusive.

Please stop issuing challenges that suggest doing something now or in the future will cast doubt on whether he cheated in the past. He cheated. Period.

You are muddying your own water, which helps Frank not us.

You're right. Nevermind.

Frank Meza Report wrote:

LA Times :

“Meza agreed but ended up skipping L.A. in 2016, entering the Oakland Marathon instead. The track team at nearby UC Berkeley had three Loyola alumni on the roster that season.”

“I wanted to run with them,” he says.

Brandt, who transferred to UCLA where he became an All-American in cross country, was one of those runners. He declined to comment for this article.”

It’s highly doubtful three D1 runners are going to pay a marathon race entry fee AND run a marathon in the midst of track season. A stunt like that would get most runners thrown off the team.

Someone with at little bit of knowledge about the sport should have sat in on the interview to challenge ridiculous scenarios like this that might not seem unreasonable to a non-runner.