kegboy wrote:
I am not robert. However, he and every other current and former loyola runner who are aware of all of this are smart enough to know that fm cheated
Seems your ex Head Coach Diaz isn't.
kegboy wrote:
I am not robert. However, he and every other current and former loyola runner who are aware of all of this are smart enough to know that fm cheated
Seems your ex Head Coach Diaz isn't.
“I don’t know what else I can do.” (Frank Meza)
Frank, very easy.
It's best to run tomorrow or in a few days on the track. Invite witnesses like reporters from the LA Times, from Runner's World, all interested runners from Loyola High School or LA and most important Coach Diaz, your friend will support you. Make a film and post it on Youtube. You are good at it.
According to Daniel's calculator, a marathon in 2:53 corresponds to a 5000m time of 18:05. Nobody expects you to run after all the stress 18:05, but a world-class man in the marathon as you are will run reasonably fast.
Reading between the lines, the article was too soft but gave Derek the chance to say FM undoubtedly cheated, plus people can check these websites themselves, plus he’s “retired” from medicine suddenly.
Welcome, visitors to LetsRun for the first time.
If you read the LA Times article and came here to see what all the hoopla is about, you're obviously not going to read the previous 3,500+ posts. Here is a summary of two anomalies that provide compelling evidence that Frank cut the course at the 2019 LA Marathon.
At one spot on the course, an automatic camera takes sequential photos about every 3 seconds. It's a long, straight road and due to a bottleneck of spectators on the course, runners can be seen as tiny specks approaching the camera from about 150 yards away. Frank is nowhere to be seen in these sequential photos until the very end when he appears from the sidewalk to jump in behind two runners. Again, these two runners can be seen as tiny specks in photo after photo as they approach the camera, yet Frank isn't seen until he jumps in right before the camera.
The runners just in front of Frank ran a very consistent pace, but they can be seen to outrun him significantly over the next three time-lapse photos. In fact, from those camera photos to the next timing mat 0.78 miles away, they outrun Frank by a staggering one minute 40 seconds!
To put that in perspective for nonrunners, Frank's pace when he is shown to be actually running is 47 minutes slower than his alleged race time.
Later, in the same race at the very next timing mat, a video shows a figure loitering on the side of the course for several seconds. That figure appears to be Frank Meza. Again, he appears to enter the course from the sidewalk. Again, he is outrun significantly by the runners near him. "Frank lost 9 seconds to this runner in approximately 32 seconds. For the entire marathon, Frank only finished 8 seconds behind the runner." -Marathon Investigation dot com. Again, Frank's pace when shown to actually be running is about 48 minutes slower than his alleged finish time of 2:53:10.
There are lots of other anomalies in this marathon and in previous marathons over the past 10 years. I don't have time to outline them all, but hopefully, some other posters will explain them.
Legitimate runners accused of cheating could quickly put the allegations to rest by inviting observers from the LA Times and LetsRun to a local track to watch (and video) him running at his marathon pace for a few miles. Any runner at Frank's alleged level could easily do this.
jesseriley wrote:
Reading between the lines, the article was too soft but gave Derek the chance to say FM undoubtedly cheated
Yes that was the key bit for me, a journalist has to do the "listening to both sides" thing and most of the audience would not understand the things we know. I think some people on here fall into the trap of thinking a well-written summary of the real situation posted here would be reproduced verbatim in a newspaper article for a general readership.
Think of it this way...
The guy is alleging that he ran the fkt for 70+ male at a relatively major marathon in a major city, and the ONLY mainstream coverage it has received is an article about whether he cheated. Said article certainly did not go out of its way to exonerate him. In fact, the article notes that LAM is in the process of disqualifying him.
Justice is being meshed out, and all of the hard work of the posters here paid off.
The cheater's true identity has been outed. He won't be running anymore bogus fkts, or taking recognition away from the folks who put in the work and run legitimate times.
fisky wrote:
Welcome, visitors to LetsRun for the first time.
If you read the LA Times article and came here to see what all the hoopla is about, you're obviously not going to read the previous 3,500+ posts. Here is a summary of two anomalies that provide compelling evidence that Frank cut the course at the 2019 LA Marathon.
At one spot on the course, an automatic camera takes sequential photos about every 3 seconds. It's a long, straight road and due to a bottleneck of spectators on the course, runners can be seen as tiny specks approaching the camera from about 150 yards away. Frank is nowhere to be seen in these sequential photos until the very end when he appears from the sidewalk to jump in behind two runners. Again, these two runners can be seen as tiny specks in photo after photo as they approach the camera, yet Frank isn't seen until he jumps in right before the camera.
The runners just in front of Frank ran a very consistent pace, but they can be seen to outrun him significantly over the next three time-lapse photos. In fact, from those camera photos to the next timing mat 0.78 miles away, they outrun Frank by a staggering one minute 40 seconds!
To put that in perspective for nonrunners, Frank's pace when he is shown to be actually running is 47 minutes slower than his alleged race time.
Later, in the same race at the very next timing mat, a video shows a figure loitering on the side of the course for several seconds. That figure appears to be Frank Meza. Again, he appears to enter the course from the sidewalk. Again, he is outrun significantly by the runners near him. "Frank lost 9 seconds to this runner in approximately 32 seconds. For the entire marathon, Frank only finished 8 seconds behind the runner." -Marathon Investigation dot com. Again, Frank's pace when shown to actually be running is about 48 minutes slower than his alleged finish time of 2:53:10.
There are lots of other anomalies in this marathon and in previous marathons over the past 10 years. I don't have time to outline them all, but hopefully, some other posters will explain them.
Legitimate runners accused of cheating could quickly put the allegations to rest by inviting observers from the LA Times and LetsRun to a local track to watch (and video) him running at his marathon pace for a few miles. Any runner at Frank's alleged level could easily do this.
Well summarized. If Meza does not do what you suggest at the end of your post, he basically proves he cheated.
Have the first 30 or 40 pages read here. Unfortunately, I can not correct my first post.
i know rb wrote:
Is he kegboy? wrote:
"“So when Frank is training with them, he’s training with some of the best runners Los Angeles has ever seen,” Diaz says. “People ask who he is running with … that’s who.”
Brandt, who transferred to UCLA where he became an All-American in cross country, was one of those runners. He declined to comment for this article."
Lol, Brandt knows the truth.
in my opinion, robert totally knows the truth. he knows that fm never threw down a 6-minute mile in robert’s presence (as do all of the kids on the team). and if anyone reads derek’s articles there’s no logical explanation to fm’s times, other than that he cut the course. it’s a shame that fm is not man enough to take responsibility for his course cutting and has now put robert in this situation. if i were robert, i wouldn’t be shy about responding... robert didn’t cut the course, frank did. this is his mess. I don’t understand why anyone at lhs is protecting this guy. you’re only going to look silly when more of the details come out.
and, by the way, for those who don’t know, robert is one of the toughest, fiercest and hardest working runners you’ll ever meet. sad thing here is that rb probably thought the times were legit. we all did. we were gullible and wanted to believe.
To put Brant's decision not to comment in the larger context, the article actually says,
"When Meza recorded another fast time in warm temperatures at the 2015 L.A. Marathon, officials lacked evidence to take action but requested he run with an observer the following year.
Meza agreed but ended up skipping L.A. in 2016, entering the Oakland Marathon instead. The track team at nearby UC Berkeley had three Loyola alumni on the roster that season.
“I wanted to run with them,” he says.
Brandt, who transferred to UCLA where he became an All-American in cross country, was one of those runners. He declined to comment for this article."
Funny that Robert Brandt doesn't show up in the Oakland Marathon 2016 results.
Plus, by suddenly retiring, FM surprised his own sock puppets, who were screaming about people ruining his practice by leaving bad reviews!
He didn’t even tell Roderick!
“I’ve decided to retire from the practice of medicine to devote all my energies to cheating.”
jesseriley wrote:
Plus, by suddenly retiring, FM surprised his own sock puppets, who were screaming about people ruining his practice by leaving bad reviews!
Rather similarly to Russian trollbots in recent times over the net, the sockpuppets seem to have changed their tack in the last 10 or so pages it seems to me, presumably because it has dawned on them that they are transparently obvious.
Smoove wrote:
I was more impressed by the fact that his standing, and perhaps his connections, seem to have influenced the tone of the article.
Your aluminum foil hat is on just a little too tightly. It is restricting blood flow to your brain and making you slightly more paranoid than normal.
Iowa800 wrote:
ATTITE, STRIDE, BODY TYPE
It’s beyond obvious he’s cheated. Not sure if it’s been mentioned but look at his clothes in the LAM race pics. He’s wearing a baggy blue shirt under a half zip. He’s Rosie Ruiz. Nobody under 4 hours will be wearing a half zip and a blue technical top during the entire marathon under decent conditions. IF THEY DID, BOTH WOULD BE DRIPPING WET! He’s wearing this early in the race at Madame Taussad’s in Hollywood and would have sweated through the shirt within a few miles. The same could be said for the black hat. It would be encrusted with sweat by the end.
His stride in the pics is not that of someone who can run 26.2 @ 6:36 pace. Any good collegiate coach could look at his mechanics and explain why he’s slow. If you look at succession of pics with the cones, wheelchair athlete, and one other runner, he’s being left in the dust by the runner within a few seconds!
His body type isn’t capable. His ankle to calf to waist to chest ratio is disproportionate to that of near world record holder. He looks 20 lbs heavier than someone of that echelon would be expected to be.
LAM is so easy for someone to cheat on. There are vast stretches of places where there are no onlookers. Nobody is going to say something if a random guy jumps in during the middle of a race. I’ve paced two friends to a 2:58 and 2:52 on the back half of LAM. Like other runners have pointed out he’s near the front end of these races and there are a gazillion photos of sub 3 hour runners but few photos of him. LA is a hobby jogger hub and if an old dude is out there killing it, the photographers would snap it up.
It seems like this guy is getting better with gaming the timing mats because he actually understands them. So his bib isn’t visible for obvious reasons. However,he forgot to account for his running attire and that’s the smoking gun.
Coach Diaz, what do you think about this post, page 22?
Thanks for your opinion you verbose, condescending, narcissistic, sociopath who assumes that we are too lazy to either read the entire thread or too dumb to comprehend it despite your inability to distinguish conjecture and speculation from proof.
visitor to LetsRun for the first time. wrote:
Thanks for your opinion you verbose, condescending, narcissistic, sociopath who assumes that we are too lazy to either read the entire thread or too dumb to comprehend it despite your inability to distinguish conjecture and speculation from proof.
The socks are back
visitor to LetsRun for the first time. wrote:
Thanks for your opinion you verbose, condescending, narcissistic, sociopath who assumes that we are too lazy to either read the entire thread or too dumb to comprehend it despite your inability to distinguish conjecture and speculation from proof.
Frank, you sly devil. Nice to see you're here reading you pathological, delusional, lying, morally corrupt, cheatin' fool
Have to say, this was pretty fair. I read the article last night after a social function and missed a big chunk of it. It was a decent article in retrospect with fresh and sober eyes.
Mel Gibson, the real one wrote:
Smoove wrote:
I was more impressed by the fact that his standing, and perhaps his connections, seem to have influenced the tone of the article.
Your aluminum foil hat is on just a little too tightly. It is restricting blood flow to your brain and making you slightly more paranoid than normal.
A better way to prove your point:
We know Dr Frank Meza cheated because someone who is running a world record time doesn't spend several minutes standing on the side of the course and also doesn't waste time looking for a bathroom. Dr Frank Meza needed to wait off the course just prior to reaching the timing mat so that he wouldn't be caught running at a ridiculously fast pace.
FrankMezaTrump wrote:
visitor to LetsRun for the first time. wrote:
Thanks for your opinion you verbose, condescending, narcissistic, sociopath who assumes that we are too lazy to either read the entire thread or too dumb to comprehend it despite your inability to distinguish conjecture and speculation from proof.
Frank, you sly devil. Nice to see you're here reading you pathological, delusional, lying, morally corrupt, cheatin' fool
Most people aren't going to take LetsRun seriously if dissenting opinions are attacked. This thread is like reading Lord of the Flies. It really starts out reasonable and then.....