Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

What planet do you live on, hell just look at what is going on, BOOM...here is is. Russia is taking a beating and only a total fool wouldn't see it.

900 dead tanks

12 dead genrals

TONS of dead equipment

4 drowned ships

30, 000 dead soldiers

.....to win .....one....city, that is defeat.

Can you imagine believing Russia has has 12 generals killed in this campaign!

From 2014:

Maj Gen Harold Greene, killed by an Afghan soldier in an insider attack, follows a long line of US generals killed in war. And their deaths say much about the changing nature of warfare.
In the past decade, thousands of American soldiers have lost their lives to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet news this week of Maj Gen Harold Greene's death made headlines.
Gen Greene is not only the highest ranking US military official to have been killed since the start of the war in Afghanistan, his death also marks the first time in more than 40 years that a general has been killed in combat.

I am not asking about Moscow's plans and thinking. I am asking what it will take and how long it will take for YOU to conclude that Russia's invasion was the "smart" move.

Or is your definition of "smart" simply that Russia has achieved its mysterious goals, even though as you say you will never actually know "Moscow's plans and thinking"?

The numbers from the "experts" is that up to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed and only 1,300 Ukrainian soldiers.

A ratio of over 30 to 1!

That's ridiculous.

They are lying folks.

Snap out of it

"My guess is that Russia will have achieved whatever its goals are within a few months." That's my guess at how long it will take to know if it was a smart move. How is this not the answer to your question?

And of course none of us know what Moscow is planning or thinking. Is that a problem for you?

I have to stop this.

You guy are really dumb

You should be directing your anger at Putin. He's the one that embarrassed you guys today. Did you see the photo of him sitting there with a blanket on his lap? WTF is wrong with the guy? Delicate little thing, isn't he? Good grief, what a wimp. Doesn't exactly inspire even serfs like Russians to go get themselves blown up in tanks any more. Jesus Christ.

It was just embarrassing, carmine. You guys looked like complete wimps on the day you were supposed to shine. That's called a Fail.

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Carmine9 is an anti-US, anti-Israel propaganda troll. He has only contributed to political conversions on this site re. COVID, Russia/Ukraine War and Row v. Wade, and he’s always negatively biased or trying to stir up division. He was to create chaos and division. He is also a massive, ignorant arsehole. Everything he says is total bs, and he will lie, deny and ignore. Just dismiss everything he says because it’s all bull crap with some agenda behind it. He is impervious to logic, reason, and the truth. I’m not sure why he’s doing this, paid troll, just an arsehole or what, but ignore him and his lies.

Note that your original post was "WE will see in time if Russia's choice to respond to Western provocation and violence was the smart move."

Thanks for clarifying that

1. You at this point have NOT concluded that Russia's move was "smart." Maybe there is some hope for you, yet?

2. Your time frame for determining the correctness of Russia's invasion will be more or less by the end of summer, by which time Russia will have achieved its goals. If Russia achieves its goals, no matter what those goals may be, you will see it as a "smart" move.

3. No one outside of the Kremlin knows what those goals are, or were, or ever will be. I am not sure how you will ultimately pass judgement on the Kremlin achieving its goals if those goals are by definition unknowable, but I will leave that fine point to you to work out.

On Puty's payroll, for sure.

Putin's Victory Day speech was pretty amazing in how it could be compared with W Bush's rhetoric surrounding the Second Gulf War. It was Bush's neocons who came up with the "pre-emptive war" rational for invading Iraq. Putin pretty much just borrowed the concept without attribution. And the embellishments from Putin were getting pretty close to the WMDs from W Bush and his neocons. Putin claimed that Ukraine was going to go nuclear and that NATO was conducting a military build up in territories outside Ukraine. One Ukraine general suggested that the country might be forced to look at becoming a nuclear power again if they were unable to join NATO, but that is it. The Ukraine government has never otherwise suggested that it was even considering going back to being a nuclear power. Ironically, Ukraine de-nuclearized in exchange for security guarantees from Russia. Also, NATO has put about 5,000 troops across the Baltics and Poland. Putin amassed over 170,000 to invade Ukraine. Putin did correctly state that NATO has been arming Ukraine, but those weapons systems are mostly defensive, like anti-tank/ship/aircraft missiles, etc. Ukraine has no real offensive military capacity that would be a threat to territorial Russia. And that is what makes Putin's speech so interesting. He has doubled down on Russia as the victim of NATO and Ukraine but has backed off prior assertions that Ukraine does not exist and should be taken back into the fold of Mother Russia. It sounds like Putin is preparing to manage expectations for an exit strategy in Ukraine. Victory in Ukraine is probably being reshaped for Russian audiences to be some territorial gains and the destruction and degradation of UA and infrastructure as being "victory".

He's dealing with cancer for God's sakes.

Don't you guys know anything?

Here ya go...
12 Russian generals
During its war in Ukraine, Russia's top military leadership has proven to be particularly vulnerable, experts say. Ukraine's Ministry of Defense has claimed that 12 Russian generals have been killed since the invasion began in late February.1 day ago

Traitor. Throwing in anti-Israel.

If you are going to be e reflexive nationalist, at least be an American