Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

brooklyn123 wrote:

Anyway, if (and hopefully when), they DQ Frank, he can claim anything, ignore it, plead that he was wronged and then this will all go away in due time... If they don't, psychos will feel like there's a need for retribution elsewhere.

FTFY

The LA Marathon has not reacted to the second set of photos. They’ve said that they are continuing to investigate.

Will follow up again with Phoenix.

The Times article will be out very soon, I’m told.

These are TEN CONSEQUENCES Frank should face:

1) = He must make a full and public confession (written and/or videotaped and published). He must explain how he did it, why he did it, when he started, who helped, and who knew. Like a felon cutting a deal with law enforcement, he must not leave out any details.

2) = He must withdraw his standing (or self-DQ) from every single race he's been in for the last 10 years, and return every single medal, trophy, prize and certificate. Regardless of whether there is definitive proof of cheating -- or frankly, regardless of whether he actually cheated in any given race -- these withdrawals are part of the consequences for cheating, the deserved penalty for years of serial fraud, dishonor and deception.

3) = His confession must then extend to personal apologies (as in individual letters/calls) to the top 5 runner he "beat" in every single race for the last 10 years. He stole their standing, and needs to beg their pardon.

4) = Next, he must personally apologize to the Race Directors of every single race he "competed" in for the last 10 years.

5) = He must never run in a public race ever again (nor bike nor swim).

6) = He must apologize to his colleagues at Loyola High School and to all the students he ever coached. He must resign from the coaching staff (if he hasn't already) and never coach any sport ever again, anywhere, at any level.

7) = He must resign from any organization or charity wherein he ever promoted himself as a running champion or model via his athletic prowess. He should never work/volunteer within any institution wherein he could possibly mentor minors (U18). In addition, he must remove all references to any running achievements from his resumé, bio and websites, and never make any such claim ever again.

8) = He must personally apologize to any journalists with whom he's communicated about this scandal, for lying and deceiving, and for wasting their time.

9) = He must make a $2,000 donation to MarathonInvestigations.com.

10) = He must pledge to make no money whatsoever from the sale of his story in any medium, in perpetuity.

Seems fair to me -- the only honorable course of action at this point.

Did I miss anything?

Pot vs. kettle wrote:

Comprosey wrote:

Oh contraire, this thread is all about actions and consequences. You can’t have unethical aspects in your character and then be indignant when someone questions the extent of that character flaw.

It’s compression 102, or did you sleep through that class also?

"Au contraire." I won't ask what you've slept through, and I'll refrain from speculating how far your character flaws extend beyond what's apparent in your post.

Be right back, mom says I have to cut the grass or I can’t use the internet, says it builds character. She says if I don’t do my chores or make bad decisions there are consequences for my actions. But by what you and your other friends indicate, she must be lying to me.

Dailies wrote:

triathleteguru wrote:

New video...

https://youtu.be/cZDg3yB-ggs

Three minutes shorter and the only voice you'll hear is the barefoot doctor himself, Fran Meza...

You gonna make a video every day?

Not every day, but maybe one a week. I've got my next one I'm working on now:

I've been scouring the internet for pictures, but I have it on good authority that she might have committed a lane violation in the race! Not only that, from analyzing footage and photos, the course might have been short! Stay tuned, this is sure to go viral...

In all seriousness, some have speculated that I have left fake reviews for Frank Meza relating to his medical practice, I have not! I am not out to destroy Frank and will not leave fake reviews with the intent to hurt his medical practice.

Seems fair to me -- the only honorable course of action at this point.

Did I miss anything?

The flogging in the public square, preferably with one of the ill-gotten medals.

This thread has me troubled. Recently applied to a very prestigious and hard to get into med school. My grades are great, but because it’s very competitive...had to exaggerate a little on my non-academic achievements. Took credit for things that others did, inflated some things, wasn’t truthful in some stuff, and had some outside help in completing some other requirements. The important thing is that I’m going to be a doctor some day and help people, and this point should be all that matters. Anything non-academic shouldn’t matter, all the extra information doesn’t mean I’ll be a better doctor. Don’t even know why they care, they should only focus on one thing and leave the rest of my life out of it. It’s not like I did anything wrong.

Med school wrote:

This thread has me troubled. Recently applied to a very prestigious and hard to get into med school. My grades are great, but because it’s very competitive...had to exaggerate a little on my non-academic achievements. Took credit for things that others did, inflated some things, wasn’t truthful in some stuff, and had some outside help in completing some other requirements. The important thing is that I’m going to be a doctor some day and help people, and this point should be all that matters. Anything non-academic shouldn’t matter, all the extra information doesn’t mean I’ll be a better doctor. Don’t even know why they care, they should only focus on one thing and leave the rest of my life out of it. It’s not like I did anything wrong.

7.5/10

Weren’t the mods offering a free pair of shoes for interesting and popular threads just a couple of weeks ago? This thread should definitely qualify.

I vote for Roderick getting a free pair.

Sounds like the Meza faction is worried.

It is not surprising that the LA Times has remained silent on this story as of yet. Privilege provides protection. The main sportswriter at the LA Times that covers the high school beat is Eric Sondheimer. He gives the elite Los Angeles schools like Loyola and Cathedral fawning coverage (just do a Google search with "Sondheimer and Cathedral" or "Sondheimer and Loyola" as your search terms!). In return, he gets treated like a king by the powers that be at these schools and enjoys the pampered access and attention. He has written dozens of laudatory articles and Tweets about these two schools over the years while basically ignoring other schools unless there is a scandal. But the scandals at Loyola and Cathedral go uncovered (not a peep from Sondheimer about major scandals within both schools' athletic programs in recent years).

Loyola is the top high school XC program in the area. Meza has been a major fixture in that program for decades. Sondheimer has covered Loyola XC and Meza in past articles with heaps of praise.

The LA Marathon is a major LA area athletic event. Meza claimed that he set a WORLD RECORD in the event this year...but has since been exposed to have been a fraud all along, perhaps for a decade or more!

And Sondheimer and the LA Times are silent. Wow.

Slow as Molasses wrote:

These are TEN CONSEQUENCES Frank should face:

The only consequence he should face is a DQ (the sooner the better to avoid further backlash)

Med school wrote:

This thread has me troubled. Recently applied to a very prestigious and hard to get into med school. My grades are great, but because it’s very competitive...had to exaggerate a little on my non-academic achievements. Took credit for things that others did, inflated some things, wasn’t truthful in some stuff, and had some outside help in completing some other requirements. The important thing is that I’m going to be a doctor some day and help people, and this point should be all that matters. Anything non-academic shouldn’t matter, all the extra information doesn’t mean I’ll be a better doctor. Don’t even know why they care, they should only focus on one thing and leave the rest of my life out of it. It’s not like I did anything wrong.

If, with your admitted exaggerations, inflations, lies and deceptions, YOU got in to med school and bumped out some other honest candidate, then ABSOLUTELY you did something wrong. You don't deserve that MD from that university, and frankly that makes you a suspect doctor.

No, things that are not related to my future profession should be kept separate. None of my future patients will care.

this is the lamest defenses yet: What a creep. Oh, you forgot will be bilking Medicare and taking kickbacks from pharma companies in the not too distant future. Man, you're probably worse than Frank. I weep for this world...

Smoove wrote:

7.5/10

I think it not worth more than 4/10, way too obvious.

Sad but true, meza may be untouchable except by journalists who specialize in scandal.

Definitely obvious, but it has already generated a good number of bites.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Ra wrote:

Start reading at page 1 and continue until you reach the end. Pay particular attention to your posts. Then ask me that question again.

I knew when I posed the question that you would not be able to

I knew you couldn't own up to your own words.