Truth be told... wrote:
I think you are promoting that behavior. And your blog doesn’t only promote shaming, it IS shaming.
So your position is that people who cheat at anything in life should face zero consequences regardless of the number of times they do it?
Truth be told... wrote:
I think you are promoting that behavior. And your blog doesn’t only promote shaming, it IS shaming.
I do not think so. This is investigative journalism and it is always painful for people whose unethical actions are made known. Someone with an interest in not disclosing scams in sports will find it different, preferring to keep everything secret.
triathleteguru wrote:
New video...
https://youtu.be/cZDg3yB-ggsThree minutes shorter and the only voice you'll hear is the barefoot doctor himself, Fran Meza...
I liked the "Some people will cheer you on"...the bus driver...
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Truth be told... wrote:
I think you are promoting that behavior. And your blog doesn’t only promote shaming, it IS shaming.
So your position is that people who cheat at anything in life should face zero consequences regardless of the number of times they do it?
No.
triathleteguru wrote:
New video...
https://youtu.be/cZDg3yB-ggsThree minutes shorter and the only voice you'll hear is the barefoot doctor himself, Fran Meza...
You gonna make a video every day?
Truth be told... wrote:
No.
So you agree that cheating has consequences? The consequences you are criticising, you cannot have it both ways.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Truth be told... wrote:
No.
So you agree that cheating has consequences? The consequences you are criticising, you cannot have it both ways.
You need to take a step back and get some perspective.
triathleteguru wrote:
New video...
https://youtu.be/cZDg3yB-ggsThree minutes shorter and the only voice you'll hear is the barefoot doctor himself, Fran Meza...
Did you send these to Meza?
Dailies wrote:
You gonna make a video every day?
Whatever it takes to go f'ing VIRAL!!!
Or gets at least maybe 3 or possibly 4! likes/shares on Facebook.
Can a guru get a mother f'in retweet???
Truth be told... wrote:
I think you are promoting that behavior. And your blog doesn’t only promote shaming, it IS shaming.
When did shaming people for unacceptable behavior become such an abhorrent thing?
A little bit of shame can go a long way.
I would not try to ruin somebody's life for course cutting and covering it up, but I am glad that that behavior is being exposed in forums like this and (for the most part) on Derek's site.
Frank seems to have engaged in shameful acts; so shaming him for it (as compared to trying to destroy his unrelated career) doesn't really bother me a bit.
Part of the problem with our society today is that everyone feels that they should be able to be free from criticism and that any criticism amounts to some kind of unacceptable shaming.
Smoove wrote:
Truth be told... wrote:
I think you are promoting that behavior. And your blog doesn’t only promote shaming, it IS shaming.
When did shaming people for unacceptable behavior become such an abhorrent thing?
A little bit of shame can go a long way.
I would not try to ruin somebody's life for course cutting and covering it up, but I am glad that that behavior is being exposed in forums like this and (for the most part) on Derek's site.
Frank seems to have engaged in shameful acts; so shaming him for it (as compared to trying to destroy his unrelated career) doesn't really bother me a bit.
Part of the problem with our society today is that everyone feels that they should be able to be free from criticism and that any criticism amounts to some kind of unacceptable shaming.
I think we can all agree that this thread and actions on other sites have gone way beyond just shaming.
agreer wrote:
I think we can all agree that this thread and actions on other sites have gone way beyond just shaming.
Not even close. Frank has faced very little consequences, just some embarrassment. He made himself a public figure with his videos and comments. He took deliberate action to promote himself in a public forum. When confronted with the allegations he not only denied them but tried to obscure the fact that a world record age group performance was his goal. If not brought to light by these investigations, he would be attempting his next ‘world record’. When a gambler goes ‘all-in’, he has to accept the risk of being wiped out.
Dailies wrote:
triathleteguru wrote:
New video...
https://youtu.be/cZDg3yB-ggsThree minutes shorter and the only voice you'll hear is the barefoot doctor himself, Fran Meza...
You gonna make a video every day?
Probably - a Tony is a loser.
I agree that the posts on the medical website were inappropriate.
I was responding to the poster who suggested that Derek's site in and of itself was inherently inappropriate shaming.
Let's get a few things straight, LRC mob:
1) The focus of this thread is on Frank Meza cheating (and his methods) and his self promotion of using these falsified performances. It is especially important because he is claiming and promoting a world class marathon performance.
2) Nobody should be leaving negative reviews on his businesses/etc. That completely oversteps the line. The focus is on him cheating at marathons, not medical malpractice.
3) Derek's articles are journalistic pieces focusing on the facts of Frank Meza's marathon performances. They aren't slanderous and don't promote the above activity under point 2 of negative reviews.
4) If you struggle with keeping the above perspectives, take a deep breath and walk away because at the end of the day this is about holding Meza accountable around claiming world class marathon performances. Leaving negative reviews on businesses is wrong. Dragging his family into it is wrong, unless you have some proof of them being accomplices (I haven't seen any presented). The logical gymnastics being performed to try to claim them banditing marathons (if that is even true) is completely irrelevant and minor compared to the focus of this thread. In fact, banditing used to be part of the culture of large city marathons.
To summarize, I would say keep the focus on Frank's performances and accountability around them, not online reviews of his business or practice which are a huge overstep. Otherwise you be crazy.
Lrc Mob wrote:
Let's get a few things straight, LRC mob:
1) The focus of this thread is on Frank Meza cheating (and his methods) and his self promotion of using these falsified performances. It is especially important because he is claiming and promoting a world class marathon performance.
2) Nobody should be leaving negative reviews on his businesses/etc. That completely oversteps the line. The focus is on him cheating at marathons, not medical malpractice.
3) Derek's articles are journalistic pieces focusing on the facts of Frank Meza's marathon performances. They aren't slanderous and don't promote the above activity under point 2 of negative reviews.
4) If you struggle with keeping the above perspectives, take a deep breath and walk away because at the end of the day this is about holding Meza accountable around claiming world class marathon performances. Leaving negative reviews on businesses is wrong. Dragging his family into it is wrong, unless you have some proof of them being accomplices (I haven't seen any presented). The logical gymnastics being performed to try to claim them banditing marathons (if that is even true) is completely irrelevant and minor compared to the focus of this thread. In fact, banditing used to be part of the culture of large city marathons.
To summarize, I would say keep the focus on Frank's performances and accountability around them, not online reviews of his business or practice which are a huge overstep. Otherwise you be crazy.
Can we still make a bunch of videos? (asking for a friend)
Roderick Powell wrote:
Getting there. wrote:
You nearly got it right Rod, but you deleted "
" at the end of "highly relevant"s post when you added your narrative.
I guess it takes a while is right. I think we know the deal, Frank Meza confessing would be his smartest move at this point. His denials only make me want to throw more and more proof his way. I bet with all the videos on YouTube there are treasures yet revealed of his methodology. Funny how every time we catch he is re-entering courses. Thanks for pointing out my goof...[/quote]
Rod - Before submitting your post you can do a preview, to make sure it looks like you want. Handy when trying to edit out parts of quoted post you don't want posted. The preview feature is to the right of the Submit Post.
Rappaport wrote:
You need to take a step back and get some perspective.
So merely asking questions about how acceptable people find serial dishonesty is lacking in perspective? I'll see your lack of perspective and ask you about yours.
Are you a supporter of what Meza does in marathons?
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Rappaport wrote:
You need to take a step back and get some perspective.
So merely asking questions about how acceptable people find serial dishonesty is lacking in perspective? I'll see your lack of perspective and ask you about yours.
Are you a supporter of what Meza does in marathons?
Asking questions is fine. However, I've seen your pattern of posting on this thread. You need to take a step back and get some perspective.
Confuzzled wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
" at the end of "highly relevant"s post when you added your narrative.
I guess it takes a while is right. I think we know the deal, Frank Meza confessing would be his smartest move at this point. His denials only make me want to throw more and more proof his way. I bet with all the videos on YouTube there are treasures yet revealed of his methodology. Funny how every time we catch he is re-entering courses. Thanks for pointing out my goof...
Rod - Before submitting your post you can do a preview, to make sure it looks like you want. Handy when trying to edit out parts of quoted post you don't want posted. The preview feature is to the right of the Submit Post.[/quote]
Thanks...I just don’t get the objections to bringing his family into this. While I actually agree with that, I also disagree. Frank literally does a bib hand-off to His daughter-in-law. She completes a HM in which FM has already completed (before re-entering the course to run with his son and her). I didn’t include them in this...Frank Meza did. NOONE would no that they ran this event, possibly without paying...if pictures of FM running alongside his family had not appeared by fluke... I originally posted the Pasadena HM photos of FM... not knowing the dynamite info about the so-called “banditos”. (Francisco, Sara and Phillip) FM created that ultimate exposure. My position on that is simple, I would like a yes or no answer to a simple question. Did the so-called “banditos” pay to participate in the Pasadena HM. It is relevant, as I see it...because if FM seems to have an attitude of disrespect for these races. I just wonder if it is contagious. FM could start by explaining what passing his bib to Sara was all about.
To getting there: I did preview post, but was not able to edit while in that mode....help!