Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

"Surrounds"? Russia's eastern southeastern and southern borders consist of an ocean, North Korea, China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, various former Soviet states, and Iran. How many of those locations even have a US base? And yes, Russia and the US are geographically close at the Bearing Sea, but Russia is just as threatening as the US at that location.

Your list of US invasions is infused with fantasy. When did the US invade Kenya post-2021? Kenya asked for our help with Islamic fanatics, gave us permission to build a base, and entered into an intelligence-sharing arrangement. If that is an invasion my property was invaded twice yesterday - once by UPS and once by USPS.

U2 was pretty courageous to enter a war zone and show their support for the Ukrainian people.

Putin and the rest are probably wondering who U2 is. What music does a lame country like Russia listen to? Funeral dirges and fascist marching bands? Man, it must suck living in Russia. Then again, they deserve it, and a lot more.

He literally can't say anything negative about Russia or Putin. That would get him into trouble.

Speaking of facile whataboutisms, that is exactly what you have done. Russia is committing in Ukraine what it has done throughout its history as the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union, which is to invade and seek to conquer other nations. It committed genocide in Poland in 1940 and for over half a century had its heel on half of Europe. It has fought numerous proxy wars around the world to extend its influence, which is generally where it found itself in opposition to the US in the conflicts you have one-sidedly cherry-picked. In its brutal history it has also murdered millions of its own citizens. It has never known true democracy and has never respected democratic values. It is one of the ugly bullies of history, as it shows today. Without the resistance of the US and others who were like-minded we would all have been under its strutting jack boot. It must be defeated in Ukraine.

Now the Democrat deadenders on this thread whom are cheering for Ukraine are Lindsey Graham fans. Remember your Lindsey Graham love the next time Graham blocks your favorite legislation.

Hi Cold War Whiner. No. If you could take a moment to actually read what is posted you would realize the point is that Russia’s invasion on Ukraine is such an egregious act of aggression that both Democrats and Republicans have condemned it. What was it that Mitch McConnell called Putin, “a ruthless thug”? I know that actually thinking for yourself is hard, and you want to boil things down to Left vs. Right, so you know what you’re supposed to think, but sometimes things don’t work that way.

Where are the threads attacking the US for what it's doing in Somalia, Yemen, Syria?

Where are your cries about the US invading those sovereign nations?

Why do you ignore the fact that the US overthrew the elected govt of Urkaine in 2014 and installed a puppet.? That Ukraine has been bombing Donetsk and Donbass for 8 years.
Or that the USA surrounds Russia with military bases? That NATO has relentlessly expanded to Russia's border?

Bunch of suckers.

uncle, you are talking some kind of nonsense. you are talking without knowing what. Think with your head man

Which of the following is nonsense?

Is USA/Israel not attacking Somalia, Yemen, Syria?

Did the US not help violently overthrow the elected govt of Urkaine in 2014 and install a puppet.?

Has the puppet govt on Ukraine not been bombing Donetsk and Donbass for 8 years?

Does USA/Israel/NATO not surround Russia with military bases?

Has NATO not relentlessly expanded to Russia's border?

carmine9 It's a simple question: Why do you think the video in post #3393 is "absurd propaganda"? Are you able to answer this simple question?

Common sense

Answered several times.

The onus is on USA/Israel/NATO

Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border.

Now, before you start your next uneducated rant fueled by watching too many conspiracy theorist videos, please answer the very simple questions I asked.

1. Is it wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine?
   
2. Why do you think the video in post #3393 is "absurd propaganda" and not a legitimate video showing Russian dropped getting blown to little tiny pieces that are so small that nobody will bother scraping the bits off the rocks and sending them home?
   

No. You haven't answered it. You've given reasons why you think Russia invaded. But, you haven't said whether you think those reasons make it right for Russia to invade Ukraine.

US/Israel/NATO has not surrounded Russia?

rferl.org

Where Are U.S. And Russian Military Bases In The World?

Thirty-five countries or territories around the world host U.S. military bases, while Russian bases can be found in nine countries.

Link:www.rferl.org/a/where-are-us-and-russi...

NATO has not expanded?

List of nations added with year of entry since USSR fell:
Hungary (1999)
Poland (1999)
Czech Republic (1999)
Romania (2004)
Slovakia (2004)
Slovenia (2004)
Bulgaria (2004)
Estonia (2004)
Latvia (2004)
Lithuania (2004)
Albania (2009)
Croatia (2009)
Montenegro (2017)
Northern Macedonia (2020)

Common sense says that the US never sent troops or had any military action in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea. Why would they? Most Americans haven't even heard of those countries. I'm not even convinced
Djibouti is a real place (wasn't that the planet in Avatar?) And we all know Georgia is just North Florida. Any evidence to the contrary is clearly anti-American propaganda. So, since the US military has just sat around doing nothing for the last two decades, why is Russia so scared of America?

(You're kinda slow, so I feel the need to point out that this is sarcasm. I'm calling out the fact that you can't provide any evidence that a bunch of Russian sailors didn't get turned into fish food in the video.)

Why I "think" they invaded?

I get it.

You are portraying a pro establishment shill and making him look stupid.

You are on my side.