Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

"a source informed the Weekend Herald that the International Olympic Committee disposed of the Beijing samples from their Lausanne laboratory in 2016. That claim was confirmed by a New Zealand Olympic Committee spokesperson."

Where's pop_pop? He'll love this one.

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Yeah the Lausanne lab. Same old, same old. 2016, eh? Didn't Deanouk and Rekrunner repeatedly claim that we have a clean sport since the replacement of Diack by his friend and vice president, Lord Coe?

Nice strawman. But I didn't even try to make a case - why do you keep deflecting and trying to make this personal?

Well, actually originally your claim was that I hadn't responded to that...

Again, Canova talked about every time, and worst performance... so I don't need to discuss every case to prove that wrong.

Actually, coming back to the point: Jeptoo is along with Ramzi one of the clear examples that prove the benefit of EPO. After all, she improved while using EPO after a break, after a long career, well after turning 30, and after switching from a star coach to a newbie.

Yes. But since we don't know when they started doping, that information is without value.

If you keep hammering home other posters' points, it is not a mistake to conclude that you stand behind these points.

Same back then, same now with that statement "WHEN some of the top Kenyans was caught, every time was in the WORST period of their career", which you kept repeating as if it were the absolute truth. You could have admitted that that was wrong a long time ago, but no, you gotta keep trolling me.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

What's up with this? wrote:

Kiprop doper honest? ? C'mon man...he's playing games and you know it! He could come out and admit to doping, give us details about the program he was on, rat out the Kenyan doping doctors/coaches that he surely knows about and apologize to all those Kenyan youngsters that idolize him!

You're really too much Ghost1...I bet you'd be singing a different tune if it was a Jager or Rupp that tested positive for dope!

Yes I am beginning to suspect that this Ghost1 chap is Kiprop’s very own 'Tony the tiger.'

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Too funny Subway! Man...you've got some good ones rolling in! Now, if only our esteemed statistician rekrunner had your sense of humor these doping discussions could take on a whole new meaning. ?

Those samples were probably trashed to protect East Africans and a lot of others.

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

"a source informed the Weekend Herald that the International Olympic Committee disposed of the Beijing samples from their Lausanne laboratory in 2016. That claim was confirmed by a New Zealand Olympic Committee spokesperson."

Where's pop_pop? He'll love this one.

+1

Yeah the Lausanne lab. Same old, same old. 2016, eh? Didn't Deanouk and Rekrunner repeatedly claim that we have a clean sport since the replacement of Diack by his friend and vice president, Lord Coe?

To be fair those 2008 samples could've been destroyed in 2008! ? who was in charge of these samples IOC, WADA or the IAAF?

(Mind you check out the testing shenanigans or lack thereof of in Rio)

What does Beijing Olympics and the Lausanne lab have to do with Diack, Coe or the IAAF? Here are some facts you probably already knew: The IOC is responsible for doping control of the Olympics, not the IAAF. The IOC reanalyzed 1053 Beijing samples in 2015, resulting in 54 sanctions. In Dec. 2016, the IOC announced "The programme for Beijing samples has concluded due to the statute of limitations." The Lausanne lab destroying these samples in 2016, looks like they are doing their job properly and professionally and above board -- is that what you meant by "same old, same old"? Completely unrelated, I did say that all of the parties identified in two detailed investigations of the IAAF corruption are no longer in power at the IAAF. I'm pretty sure I did not ever say the sport was clean -- maybe you have a link?

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

"a source informed the Weekend Herald that the International Olympic Committee disposed of the Beijing samples from their Lausanne laboratory in 2016. That claim was confirmed by a New Zealand Olympic Committee spokesperson."

Where's pop_pop? He'll love this one.

+1

Yeah the Lausanne lab. Same old, same old. 2016, eh? Didn't Deanouk and Rekrunner repeatedly claim that we have a clean sport since the replacement of Diack by his friend and vice president, Lord Coe?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

To be fair those 2008 samples could've been destroyed in 2008! ? who was in charge of these samples IOC, WADA or the IAAF?

From the above link:

" The samples were originally meant to be held eight years but the World Anti-Doping Agency revised its code in 2015 to extend the statute of limitations for retests to 10 years.

However, a source informed the Weekend Herald that the International Olympic Committee disposed of the Beijing samples from their Lausanne laboratory in 2016. That claim was confirmed by a New Zealand Olympic Committee spokesperson. The NZOC had followed up the issue independently"

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

(Mind you check out the testing shenanigans or lack thereof of in Rio)

Yeah I am aware. Fun things.

@rekrunner: see also the quotation above. The 2008 samples were supposed to be good until 2018, but got destroyed in 2016.

Well, who was in charge? We are talking about the IOC here, the main WADA lab, the new WADA code, and IAAF's athletes.

The IOC is in charge. The 2015 code, and 10 year statute of limitation, is not applicable to 2008 samples. The samples now belong to the lab.

Here's what we learned about finding clenbuterol in Beijing samples:

"The ‘statute of limitations’ in force within IOC and World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) regulations at the time specifies that sanctioning must be commenced within eight years after an alleged doping offence. As the Beijing 2008 Olympics concluded on 24 August, the statute of limitations regarding samples taken from the Games would have expired on 1 September last year (at the latest). ‘The re-analysis programme from the Olympic Games Beijing 2008 has come to an end since the statute of limitations has expired’, read a 3 April (2017) IOC statement ..."

"Consistent with Article 17 of the Code the ownership of the samples is vested in the IOC for the eight years,’ reads Article 6.5 of the IOC’s Anti-Doping Rules for the Beijing 2008 Olympics. ‘During this period, the IOC shall have the right to re-analyse samples (taken during the Period of the Olympic Games). Any anti-doping rule violation discovered as a result thereof shall be dealt with in accordance with these Rules. After this period, the ownership of the samples shall be transferred to the laboratory storing such samples, provided that all means of identification of the Athletes will be destroyed and that proof of this destruction shall be provided to the IOC."

"No action may be commenced against an Athlete or other Person for an anti-doping rule violation contained in the Code unless such action is commenced within eight (8) years from the date the violation is asserted to have occurred’, reads Article 17 of the 2003 World Anti-Doping Code, which was in force at the time of the Beijing 2008 Olympics."

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/statute-limitations-prevents-analysis-beijing-2008-samples-clenbuterol/

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

What's up with this? wrote:

Kiprop doper honest? ? C'mon man...he's playing games and you know it! He could come out and admit to doping, give us details about the program he was on, rat out the Kenyan doping doctors/coaches that he surely knows about and apologize to all those Kenyan youngsters that idolize him!

You're really too much Ghost1...I bet you'd be singing a different tune if it was a Jager or Rupp that tested positive for dope!

Yes I am beginning to suspect that this Ghost1 chap is Kiprop’s very own 'Tony the tiger.'

if i was to wager.....he spent $32 on those pricey Frosted Flakes, and ate his cereal with some good old fashioned earl grey....in kenya of course

utter nonsense ,

they can store and destroy as they wish . all just a game .

rekrunner and ghost are nothing but agents here to get you off the scent . beyond obvious . where is conova .

kiprop is the most obvious dirty filthy cheat going , regardless of tests or what iaaf / wada or anybody says .

iaaf /wada are filthy and track especially sprints are the same but they would have you thinking otherwise .

not a test nor even a mention of THE speed peptide , well over a decade now .

Again why was Mo farah training in ethiopia , same as for locals and kenyans .

gauranteed a window for more intense doping and training and performance as result .

managers , trainers , iaaf / wada all insure this .

simple as that , wake up and stop listening to the above liars , frauds , cheats and agents .

i know you have been spraying on and on for a few years now about this "speed peptide"

you care to educate me? i think at one time someone had said you said it was IGF-1

what exactly is this speed peptide you say is super rampant in sports?

and dont get me wrong im not being an a$$, just curious to know what it is

as far as i know the most popular cocktail is HGH, EPO and some anabolic, for the big spenders the "clear" aka THG, and with this cocktail the users seem to be on a list of other things to keep hormones, blood values, and blood sugar in check...this TUE cocktail is thyroid meds, L-carnatine, macro dose of vit D, and diuretics.

from what i have gathered people like to take IGF-1 in this TUE style cocktail as well since it helps both HGH and anabolics, as well as help balance with the thyroid meds....since most noobs on here have no idea that HGH messes with your thyroid.

so what is this "speed peptide" you are talking about? i would like to learn more

aduck2022 wrote:

kiprop is the most obvious dirty filthy cheat going ,

One brutal way of keeping this thread on track.

It's in the class of IGFs and apparently IGF-1 LR3 is only detectable in plasma:

More insight on IGF-1 LR3:

Brits to the rescue, AGAIN!!!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/uk-anti-doping-agrees-deal-to-help-improve-kenyas-drug-testing-regime-848405.html

Potato planting season is over, until the Brits leave anyway. wrote:

Brits to the rescue, AGAIN!!!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/uk-anti-doping-agrees-deal-to-help-improve-kenyas-drug-testing-regime-848405.html

Is this a good thing? What's the reputation of UKAD? Are they as good as USADA?

One thing I've noticed is that you never here of a UK athlete testing positive for dope or involved in any scandals. So, either the UK athletes are 100% clean (and dare not dope because of UKAD) or some dope and UKAD isn't very good with detection.

Any thoughts anyone? How about your expertise on UKAD Rekrunner? I recall you saying at one time that you were an American currently residing somewhere in Europe - maybe in England? (I know you're not Paula's husband Gary, but that doesn't mean you're not an American living in London or something).

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Is this a good thing? What's the reputation of UKAD? Are they as good as USADA?

One thing I've noticed is that you never here of a UK athlete testing positive for dope or involved in any scandals. So, either the UK athletes are 100% clean (and dare not dope because of UKAD) or some dope and UKAD isn't very good with detection.

Any thoughts anyone?

Have a look and you decide. If you click on the country heading it will make it easier to search by country:

aduck2022 wrote:

utter nonsense

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Potato planting season is over, until the Brits leave anyway. wrote:

Brits to the rescue, AGAIN!!!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/uk-anti-doping-agrees-deal-to-help-improve-kenyas-drug-testing-regime-848405.html

Is this a good thing? What's the reputation of UKAD? Are they as good as USADA?

One thing I've noticed is that you never here of a UK athlete testing positive for dope or involved in any scandals. So, either the UK athletes are 100% clean (and dare not dope because of UKAD) or some dope and UKAD isn't very good with detection.

Any thoughts anyone? How about your expertise on UKAD Rekrunner? I recall you saying at one time that you were an American currently residing somewhere in Europe - maybe in England? (I know you're not Paula's husband Gary, but that doesn't mean you're not an American living in London or something).

Ha, ha, ha and I have friends and family in England (an Aunt married an Englishman). Perhaps UKAD is going to send the doctors from Team Sky to show Kenyans how to do it properly in the ABP era. ?

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Any thoughts anyone? How about your expertise on UKAD Rekrunner? I recall you saying at one time that you were an American currently residing somewhere in Europe - maybe in England? (I know you're not Paula's husband Gary, but that doesn't mean you're not an American living in London or something).

Recently came close to being bankrupted by the Tyson Fury case :

As for how good they are in the light of few doping scandals in British sport (leaving aside the cycling), that depends on your view as to whether 'everybody dopes, equally, everywhere'.

Pretty sure they know how to test for peds and at least comply with minimum anti-doping standards - unlike the Kenyans evidently.