I understand the "community" on here to be an elitist bunch of self certified pricks who trying to gatekeep a sport. He's uploading his runs each day and I've looked through the data and outside of the HR I'm perfectly happy with it. Having said that I don't think wrist HR data is particularly accurate and it's definitely not in my case hence I will always wear a chest strap when I'm running.
Just curious as to why no one's got a shot of him riding in the van or riding a bike yet?
Because he chose to do this is one of the most isolated places on the planet. Because nobody wants to have rocks thrown at them. And because nobody who cares enough is close enough to do so.
As momentum and skepticism builds, it's only a matter of time before a person or crew of people go out there and do just that. I think that's what we are all waiting for on this thread. Just like Robert Young, he will inevitably be exposed because it's clear to anyone who knows running that he's a fraud
Where's the evidence that anyone got rocks thrown at them? Surely the burden of proof has to be on the person who claims they got rocks thrown at them?
I look forward to the day that some sad no hope gets the time to go and see him in the flesh and we can put this to bed and watch the self important running community eat humble pie.
Just playing devils advocate here. Anyone know why WG doesn’t just film a 2 min video of him running at 6:30 with a HR of 95?
It would literally take 2 mins and basically end this entire debate and have him cemented as the record holder without any doubts.
That’s the only weird thing about this for me. The debate could be ended by the team with 1 video and it would look far better for WG, his sponsors etc.
I reached out to Will's agent twice now asking him to get Will's team to do an hour livestream of his transcon attempt. "The team will not be doing that. We are already sharing enough data on Garmin InReach, Whoop and Strava."
Personally, I don't see no harm. I even offered to order the car or bike mount for them...
Wait a second.
When I first heard about influencers, I thought that was the most useless job in the world.
Then I heard about influencers who travel cross country through the wilderness cowering in the back of a van being driven at 5 mph, and I thought that was the most useless job in the world.
I'm not familiar with the Rob Young story, from the limited bit I'd read I thought he was caught using his RV instead of running. Outside of that I don't know anything about Rob Young.
Will Cockerell made a fool of himself flying out to the US to not get any proof so maybe that's why he hasn't flown to Aus?
Where's the evidence that anyone got rocks thrown at them? Surely the burden of proof has to be on the person who claims they got rocks thrown at them?
I look forward to the day that some sad no hope gets the time to go and see him in the flesh and we can put this to bed and watch the self important running community eat humble pie.
Robbie Balenger (part of Goodge’s support team) admitted that Goodge threw a rock at Cockerell to the Outside journalist who wrote:
“ Cockerell says that he had to cut his investigation short for his own safety after Goodge tried to enter Cockerell’s vehicle and at one point threw a rock at his car. Balenger confirmed this, but said that Goodge’s reaction was in response to Cockerell’s reckless driving, for which he had been reprimanded by an Oklahoma State Trooper. (Cockerell denies doing anything to endanger the crew and told me that his encounter with the patrolman had been “absolutely charming.”)” (emphasis mine)
When fitness influencer William Goodge ran across the country to raise money for charity, his feat received unprecedented scrutiny from hardcore running fans
Might have found something I can agree with you on. The typical influencers brain power probably doesn't have the capacity to organise getting from their bed to breakfast so I think it's relatively common for influencers to have managers and for some reason brands pay astronomical amounts of money for paid posts/product placement etc so I guess there's enough cash left over to pay an agent too.
Despite me being a supporter/fangirl of Will G I still don't buy anything he promotes because I don't buy anything anyone promotes. I use my trainers until they fall apart, have the cheapest garmin I could buy and a chest strap and that's the full extent of my kit. I drink water from my tap and I use gels on the course because I'm not buying my own gels.
Let’s not pretend this is some neutral panel of truth-seekers just waiting with open arms to be convinced. From day one, the tone hasn’t been curiosity, it's always been about people needing the story to be false because they already decided it was.
Of course all the critics started out neutral. None of us knew Goodge, none of us had an axe to grind, none of us cried foul without looking into the evidence and seeing that this guy was quite clearly very dodgy.
Why would people have randomly chosen to attack Goodge for cheating if we didn't have good evidence? It makes no sense to suggest that we've been out to get him from the start due to a partisan bias against him.
What was our supoosed motive to go after Goodge?
What good evidence? I've read the Moab thread. Not again made good points, and gave reference data and names.
You (Will C and "comrades") give the same arguments over and over again. Where are "100 experts" in the open letter? Any news about the observations? You should take a different approach. Haven't you learned anything from your idol?
"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." Karl Max
P. S. I'm not a flat-earther, and I don't think much of influencers of a n y kind.
I'm not familiar with the Rob Young story, from the limited bit I'd read I thought he was caught using his RV instead of running. Outside of that I don't know anything about Rob Young.
This is the problem, you don't seem to understand that ignorance of the wider history of these kinds of stunts means you don't really have a clue.
Of course all the critics started out neutral. None of us knew Goodge, none of us had an axe to grind, none of us cried foul without looking into the evidence and seeing that this guy was quite clearly very dodgy.
Why would people have randomly chosen to attack Goodge for cheating if we didn't have good evidence? It makes no sense to suggest that we've been out to get him from the start due to a partisan bias against him.
What was our supoosed motive to go after Goodge?
What good evidence? I've read the Moab thread. Not again made good points, and gave reference data and names.
You (Will C and "comrades") give the same arguments over and over again. Where are "100 experts" in the open letter? Any news about the observations? You should take a different approach. Haven't you learned anything from your idol?
"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." Karl Max
P. S. I'm not a flat-earther, and I don't think much of influencers of a n y kind.
Did you read the transcon thread? That's the context being referred to. To ignore it as you have is disingenuous at best...
And your Marx quote is cute but Goodge is way beyond the second repetition at this point, unfortunately - it's definitely a farce though!
I'm not familiar with the Rob Young story, from the limited bit I'd read I thought he was caught using his RV instead of running. Outside of that I don't know anything about Rob Young.
This is the problem, you don't seem to understand that ignorance of the wider history of these kinds of stunts means you don't really have a clue.
It's about what you'd expect from a bunch who "follow" a runfluencer who painted the wrong record on the side of his van before crossing the US.
Seeing Goodge as a one-off wouldn’t confirm anything. There’s plenty of people who have run with him and have signed off on his authenticity. Sure, he’s running 50, 60 whatever kms per day. It’s just that us realists doubt whether he is running the full 110km he has been claiming while looking fresh as a daisy. The middle of Australia is a very isolated place. There would be ample opportunities to cheat. The odd very vehicle driving by would be doing so at 80-100km/hr and think it’s just a couple of RV’s pulled up on the side of the road. They could monitor cars and get Will ready to step out when they approach, stop completely and say he is resting etc. When they approach the coastline there will be more civilisation, and that’s when he’ll have to run full days. The issue is we want that 24/7 camera on him for the most desolate areas, not the final run into town.
surely there’s some unemployed or retired Australian that wants to make some easy money by following Goodge for a few days. you only have to pay them in Aussie dollars so you’d be getting the service at a big discount.
if everyone in that letter threw in $€£200 it’d almost be enough for a wage and expenses. a small price to pay to protect the integrity of the sport.