Female boxer taps out after two punches against biological male in the Olympic boxing

This is true. But it’s tough to stand tall when you think your opponent is going to crush you.

You are not worth to argue with. Can't you read ? Here's the abstract:

"Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%."

What are you so angry about? I am simply pointing out what was clearly stated in the abstract: that the only way to come up with an estimate that only 0.018% have some type of intersex condition is if you remove klinefelter, turners, and adrenal hyperplasia from your definition of intersex. Otherwise, the estimate that 1.7 percent of the human population is not 100 % genetically male or female stands.

I agree with you that "3wiresports.com is not a primary source." But then neither is the IOC, particularly on this topic!

Yet you quote a statement that the IOC has made about the controversy over the two purportedly male fighters competing in women's boxing at the 2024 Paris Olympics as though anything the IOC says about them and its decision to allow them to compete in women's bouts has to be the gospel truth - and as though the explanations the IOC has given for its actions in this case are so iron-clad, impeccable and convincing that they're absolutely unassailable.

Since you made reference to the IBA websiste - and the IOC statement you quote also mentions the minutes of the relevant IBA board meeting that are on the IBA website - I can't help but wonder why you didn't quote directly from the IBA minutes themselves. Why rely on second-hand accounts when the primary source is there for all to see?

Now I dunno if the minutes of the relevant board meeting that are on the IBA website are an accurate reflection of what really happened at the meeting.

However, the minutes as they appear on the IBA website definitely contradict the IOC's claim that in 2023 the two boxers "were suddenly disqualified without any due process."

Below is a copy & paste of the passages from the relevant board meeting minutes that appear on the IBA website which give the IBA's version of how and why the decision was taken to disqualify with these two athletes from women's competition in 2023:

IBA Board of Directors Meeting Minutes March 25th, 2023, 10:00 – New Delhi, India

Mr. Marko Petric, IBA Head of Sport, presented two cases of the athletes from Algeria, Imane Khelif, and Chinese Taipei, Lin Yu-ting, who, competing at the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in India, failed to meet eligibility rules, following a test conducted by anindependent laboratory.

It was proposed to ratify the decision made by the IBA Secretary General and CEO to disqualify both athletes and reinstate the athlete from Thailand, Janjaem Suwannapheng, who lost to the Algerian boxer in the semi-finals. This decision would allow Janjaem Suwannapheng to fight in the finals in the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships.

The Board asked for clarification as to why this issue was being brought up at the end of theChampionships when the concerned athletes already made their way through different stages of the event.

IBA Secretary General and CEO explained that testing was conducted upon the request of the Technical Delegate and Medical Jury of the Championships. The results became available in seven days and the IBA Secretary General and CEO, acting on behalf of IBA, notified the athletes immediately about their disqualification, giving them twenty-one days to appeal the decision to CAS.

Mr. Yerolimpos confirmed that similar testing was conducted by a different independent laboratory with the same athletes at the previous edition of the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in Istanbul, Turkey in 2022. However, the results were received only upon
conclusion of the event, hence the athletes were not disqualified back then.

Mr. Kremlev asked the IBA Secretary General and CEO and Sport Department if it was possible to take preventive actions not allowing the concerned boxers to compete in New Delhi, provided that the results of the first test were received shortly after the Championships in Istanbul. He also emphasized the importance of safeguarding athletes’ health. IBA President also stated that he is in support of the two proposals because it is high priority for IBA to act on the received test results and thus protect the competition’s integrity and ensure compliance with the IBA Rules and Regulations.

Mr. Yerolimpos confirmed that IBA has the results from two independent laboratories in two different countries at its disposal, both of which indicate that the athletes do not meet one of the eligibility criteria to continue competing at the Championships.

Referring to the President’s question, IBA Secretary General and CEO claimed that the situation was closely followed by him personally and the IBA Sport Department from the moment of athletes’ registration to their arrival to India, which is when IBA could legally act on the matter. Another test was not possible to conduct when the athletes were outside IBA control until they arrived to New Delhi, where they passed medical check and passed necessary tests.

Mr Adel Bouda, Acting Ambassador of Algeria in New Delhi, was invited to present the position of the Algerian side and requested a second opinion on the issue.

The proposal to ratify the decision taken by the IBA Secretary General and CEO on behalf of IBA to disqualify Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships was approved by the majority vote with 1 abstention by Mr. Abdeljaouad Belhaj and 1 vote against by Mr. Jose Laureano.

The proposal to reinstate Janjaem Suwannapheng who lost to Imane Khelif in the semi-finals for Janjaem Suwannapheng to compete in the finals was approved by the majority vote with 3 abstentions by Mrs. Marta Forcen Celaya, Mr. Yousuf Al-Kazim and Mr.Jinquiang Zhou and 2 votes against by Mr. Jose Laureano and Mr. Abdeljaouad Belhaj.It was also agreed that IBA should reinstate and move up all boxers who were competing in medal contests (QF onwards). This would automatically give them WR points as well.

The Board requested that the IBA Head Office establishes the procedure to follow in similar cases in the future and to be reflected in the IBA Regulations.

Also, re: the denial of due process allegation. The Algerian boxer, Imane Khelif, initially filed a challenge of the disqualification with the CAS. But Khelif withdrew the challenge before the CAS had a chance to consider it.

So this person is "clearly male"? (She has not done any HRT. This is how she naturally developed after being assigned male at birth.)

radiotimes.com

Huge prejudice exists within the LGBTQ+ community says Genderquake housemate

RadioTimes

“I always felt excluded from the excluded kids, I was beyond marginalised, I was out the door, down the road,” says Brooke

Link:www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/hu...

And this person has CAH (and 46XY chromosome).

Even if the true prevalence of intersex is 0.018%, that's more than a million people in the world. That is not a negligible number.

In fact, that's about the same ratio as the ratio of trans athletes in women's college sports, which is considered "existential threat" to women's sports. So that must be a HUGE number. /s

Democrats support violence against women.

You don't realise it but you have just explained why there are weight divisions in boxing. If there weren't many bouts would be utterly mismatched and indeed seriously injurious to a much smaller opponent. Having a male fight a female is just such a mismatch - and potentially very dangerous. That is what the Italian fighter realised after being struck by her Algerian opponent.

Yes, Fausto-Sterling’s 1.7% number is fine according to clinical practice by doctors and standard practice amongst scientists in the field. The incels here can’t stand it and will keep bringing up the Sax’s rebuttal even though it hardly changes any qualitative arguments. Everyone acknowledges that both 1.7% and 0.02% are small numbers, but the smallness only matters to the group that thinks it’s okay to let a small fraction of the population go to hell.

T. Verbosa will probably soon come shaking its ginormously biased bully djibouti to lecture you on how Kleinfelter is not intersex and that intersex is not even a word even though every medical practice in every town commonly lclassifies Kleinfelter as an intersex condition. Same for some of the other conditions.

Neither of these boxers is "trans," though. Nobody who’s paid close attention to this story has claimed that Khelif and Lin are "trans," either.

Most people who object to the IOC’s decision to allow Khelif and Lin to compete in women’s boxing at the Paris Olympics are under the impression that the two boxers probably have XY DSDs like Caster Semenya - and we’ve said so from the very start.

Those of us who are up in arms about the IOC's handling of these two boxers because we support fairness and safety for female fighters -and female athletes in general - haven't made any suggestion that Khelif and Lin are or might be homosexual or bisexual, either.

As I see it, the sexual orientation of these two boxers has nothing to do with the issue of whether they should be competing in women’s Olympic boxing. Their sexual orientation and behavior is so completely irrevelant to the topic at hand that I don't see why anyone would even bring it up. All that should matter in determining their eligibility for female sports is their biological sex and whether the kind of DSD they have eliminates or greatly reduces male advantage.

Also, whether we’re talking about Algeria or any other other place, I think it’s unfair - and highly misleading - to make assumptions about how a particular country or culture regards and treats people with DSDs based on the ways that same country and culture regards and treats gay men, lesbians, homosexual acts, and “trans people” (be they transvestites or so-called “transsexuals”).

Yes, in Algeria there are draconian laws, strong cultural strictures and widespread social attitudes against homosexuality and homosexual acts, particularly between males. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that Algeria is intolerant of people with DSDs and subjects them to prejudicial treatment and human rights abuses.

Yes, in Algeria, males who publicly cross-dress and claim to be women aren’t accepted the way they are in Europe, Asia, and the Americas - and they certainly don’t have anywhere near the same kind of prominence, vaunted status and political power they have in many other parts of the world today.

For example, it’s highly unlikely that Arabic press outlets in Algeria would lionize trans-identified men by putting them on magazine covers and running fawning stories about them the way American media has done with Caitlyn Jenner, Laverne Cox and Martine Rothblatt.

Similarly, it’s highly unlikely that the president of Algeria, Abdelmadjid Tebboune, would appoint a trans-identified male to high government office like US president Joe Biden has done with Rachel Levine. It's also highly unlikely that Tebboune or head of another Muslim-majority MENA country would make a point of publicly proclaiming that “trans rights are the civil rights of our time” as Joe Biden has been doing since 2012 - or that they'd befriend, back and publicly endorse trans-identified males with political ambitions the way Biden has done with Sarah McBride and others. And it's highly unlikely that the head of state in any Muslim-majority MENA country would make a big show of honoring an attention-seeking female impersonator like TIkTok star Dylan Mulvaney of "Days of Girlhood" fame by inviting him for a semi-private tete-a-tete at the executive mansion.

But again, none of this means that Algeria is intolerant of people with DSDs and treats them poorly.

In fact, according to Cairo 52 Legal Institute, the Algerian legal and medical systems grant Algerians with DSDs rights, freedoms and considerations not accorded to Algerians who identify as trans.

In a landmark decision in 2018, the Algerian Supreme Court ruled that a male plaintiff without a DSD who sought to change the sex on his legal documents, including his Algerian birth certificate, from male to female couldn’t do so - and the court cited as reasons Algerian law and cultural norms, the importance of retaining social order in Algeria, and Islamic Sharia principles. However, in the same ruling the Algerian Supreme Court made a point of strongly endorsing the right of Algerians with DSDs to change their legal sex for all purposes, including getting their birth certificates amended; and the court also said Algerians with DSDs must be allowed to have so-called “gender affirming” and “sex change” procedures if they so desire.

So what is the US Congress supposed to do about this?

True. But if the IOC sanctions the fight, why even enter the ring if you know you’re just going to quit? They do have head gear, so it’s not as bad to take some hits.

Rocky isn’t real, but the idea of getting back up after you’re knocked down is compelling. Taking a punch and then saying no thank you isn’t what you want to see from an underdog.

We have two biological males remaining to beat up women for gold medals. This is not parody.

Stupid. Woke bullsh!t

She didn't enter the ring knowing she was going to quit. She conceded the fight after she effectively realised she was being hit by a man and feared for her safety.

But this boxing match - and the other bouts involving these two XY fighters in women's boxing that the IOC is sanctioning at the 2024 Paris Games - aren't even-handed fights where underdogs are meeting their match and getting their just desserts, so to speak.

These aren't boxing matches where female fighters are being beaten fair and square by physically equal fighters who happen to outclass them due to more talent, better training and more of the indomitable fighting spirit that enables them to get up again after being knocked down.

These are rigged matches where female fighters are having to face off against male fighters who are so superior to them in raw strength, power and sturdiness that the male fighters are in a physically different league and belong in another sports category entirely.

Also: contrary to the evidence-free claims you’ve made on this thread, the reality is that there are numerous significant differences in the head, neck and upper back anatomy of males and females that put female boxers at a real disadvantage compared to their male peers.

The upshot of all the anatomical differences between the two sexes is that when females and males get the same exact blows to the face, head and neck, females are much more likely to suffer broken bones, concussions, vascular damage and brain injuries than males are.

What’s more, when females suffer head and neck injuries like concussion and whiplash, the impacts on our health both in the short-term and over the long term are worse.

Not only does a male fighter have the natural ability to deliver a punch that has 2.6 times the power of an adult female of the same weight, but a male can take and withstand punches from other males much more easily than a female can - and he faces far less risk of sustaining serious damage that will have lifelong consequences.

Traditionally, research into sports injuries - and head and neck injuries in general - has been done exclusively on males. But in recent years, scientists have finally begun to study females as well. The research makes it crystal clear that due to physical differences between the sexes, female athletes experience higher rates of concussion and worse outcomes from concussion than males athletes do even in the same sport.

Studies from US collegiate sports have shown that female athletes are 1.9 times more likely to develop a sports-related concussion than are their male contemporaries in comparable sports. Those female students also missed many more study days as they recovered.

Neuropathologist Willie Stewart at the University of Glasgow, UK, co-authored a study published earlier this year of more than 80,000 secondary-school soccer players in the United States, with similar results.

It’s not just the number of head injuries that differs between women and men, but also their nature. A review of 25 studies of sport-related concussion suggests that female athletes are not only more susceptible to concussion than are males, but also sustain more-severe concussions.

Doug Smith at the University of Pennsylvania’s Penn Center for Brain Injury and Repair in Philadelphia uncovered evidence that could be crucial for explaining some of the different outcomes seen in women versus men: their brain cells are structurally different.

scientificamerican.com

Why Sports Concussions Are Worse For Women

Katharine Sanderson, Nature magazine

As women’s soccer, rugby and other sports gain popularity, scientists are racing to understand how the female brain responds to head injury

Link:www.scientificamerican.com/article/why...

I'll come back later and link some other sources.

Why ask me? In the past, you've opined that I've got crap reading comprehension, or that I don't know how to read at all, particularly when it comes to legal and governance matters.

So I don't get why you'd trust me to explain the tweet you shared or the document to which it links.

They both make what's being requested plain as day in clear language:

Our Bodies, Our Sports (OBOS) coalition... asks Congress to explore all actions that can be taken to “apply maximum pressure upon the IOC and any other sport organization” that has provided aid and comfort to the IOC in its failure to uphold equal athletic competition for female Olympians.

So why pretend you don't you understand? My hunch is you're just peeved that women are daring to get together across the aisle to organize and take action in protest of the sort of unfair treatment and misogyny that people on your side of the sex/gender divide say we should just silently put up with and meekly accept as the price of the so-called "diversity and inclusion" you're pushing.

Your paragraph overdrive notwithstanding, there is nothing in the minutes saying what eligibility rule she violated, and as the other poster correctly points out, IBA itself acknowledges in the minutes that it “establish a clear procedure on gender testing”, which sounds very much like they disqualified someone based on shaky procedure.

Why do you jump up and down so much and blatherbelt out so many words only to fall flat on your face in substantive content?

Some more info on sex differences that make females more likely to suffer serious injury from blows to the head and neck:

Female athletes are not only 1.9 times more likely to sustain a concussion in any given sport; they also tend to have more severe symptoms, and to take longer to recover.

bbc.com

Why women are more at risk from concussion

Women athletes are twice as likely as men to get concussed and the effects are more severe, but with research focusing mainly on men, is concussion in women being overlooked?

Link:www.bbc.com/future/article/20200131-wh...

Same injury, different brain: Exploring how women’s trauma recovery differs from men’s

Surveys and analysis of health record data by the Stanford researchers and others continue to find stark differences in how men and women experience severe brain injury.

But there’s also a physical clue: The imaging research suggests a link between a physical trait of women’s brains — a thinning of part of the cortex — and the tendency to experience a different array of post-brain injury symptoms than men do.

Important brain structures that are key for signaling in the brain are narrower and less dense in females, and more likely to be damaged by brain injuries, such as concussion. Long-term cognitive deficits occur when the signals between brain structures weaken due to the injury.

stanmed.stanford.edu

Why women have a tougher time recovering from brain injuries

Anjula Hettige

Neurosurgeons analyze years of data and launch new inquiries to understand why women have more difficult recoveries from severe brain trauma than men do.

Link:stanmed.stanford.edu/brain-injury-reco...

“Clinicians have observed for a long time that females suffer from concussion at higher rates than males in the same sports, and that they take longer to recover cognitive function, but couldn’t explain the underlying mechanisms of this phenomenon,” said senior author Douglas Smith, MD, a professor of Neurosurgery and director of Penn’s Center for Brain Injury and Repair. “The variances in brain structures of females and males not only illuminate why this disparity exists, but also exposes biomarkers, such as axon protein fragments, that can be measured in the blood to determine injury severity, monitor recovery, and eventually help identify and develop treatments that help patients repair these damaged structures and restore cognitive function.”

pennmedicine.org

Axons in female mammal brains may be more prone to concussions

The structural differences in male and female brains might explain why females are more prone to concussions and experience longer recovery from the injury than their male counterparts, according to Penn Medicine research.

Link:www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-release...

Women at much higher risk of depression after traumatic brain injury, analysis finds
Women are nearly 50% more likely than men to develop depression after suffering a concussion or other traumatic brain injury (TBI), according to an analysis of nine studies and nearly 700,000 people presented at the ANESTHESIOLOGY® 2023 annual meeting.

asahq.org

Women at much higher risk of depression after traumatic brain injury, analysis finds

@ASALifeline

Link:www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-...

In this community-based cohort [of 14,376 participants] with 25-year follow-up, head injury was associated with increased dementia risk in a dose-dependent manner, with stronger associations among female participants and White participants.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Head injury and 25-year risk of dementia

Head injury is associated with significant morbidity and mortality. Long-term associations of head injury with dementia in community-based populations are less clear.Prospective cohort study of 14,376 participants (mean age 5...

Link:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9...

Excerpts from a 2005 paper on the different dynamics involved when a male or female gets hit in the head that result from anatomical sex differences [NB: I've changed the word "gender" to "sex" where sex is spoken about]

Acute and long-term concussion sequelae are produced by acceleration or deceleration of the freely moving head (10,12). Based on athlete exposure epidemiological data in the late 1990s, females in high school and college had a higher incidence of concussions compared with their male counterparts (e.g., soccer, baseball and softball, and basketball) (8,23).

The reason for the higher rate of concussions among females in noncontact sports is unknown (18) but may be due to differences in head–neck segment mass, dynamic stabilization (i.e., muscle activity, timing, strength, and stiffness qualities) compared with males (26).

the results of this study revealed marked sex differences in head–neck segment dynamic stabilization during head acceleration in response to an external force application. Females exhibited significantly greater head–neck segment peak angular acceleration and displacement than males despite initiating muscle activity earlier (SCM only) and using a greater percentage of their maximum head–neck segment muscle activity.

The sex differences in kinematics cannot be attributed to improper muscle function. The EMG data indicated that females had significantly greater muscle activity than males regardless of force application or force direction. Because EMG data were collected over a 250-ms window beyond initiation of force application, this indicates a combination of greater reflex and voluntary muscle activities (13). Greater head angular acceleration and displacement should stimulate a higher percentage of mechanoreceptors in the muscular (i.e., muscle spindle) and articular tissues (i.e., paciniform corpuscles) of the cervical spine leading to a greater activation of motor neurons and more reflex muscle firing (7,14).

The amount of force used (and resultant angular accelerations elicited) in this study was by design lower than what is thought to cause a concussion (10). However, even with the relatively low applied force, sex differences in head–neck segment angular acceleration were still evoked. These differences may be because females exhibited significantly less head–neck segment isometric strength, neck girth, and head mass, resulting in lower levels of stiffness. This is important because angular acceleration is directly related to concussion (10). Although these subjects were not athletes the results suggest that females may be at greater risk of concussion in sports with greater loads being applied to the head