I like how conservatives are fans of collegiate swimming all of a sudden.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
You have consistently failed to produce any reference to any neutral reliable source attesting to Chand’s karyotype, so it’s high time you put up or shut up.
It's true that Chand has never revealed the results of the sex chromosome and genetic testing - or of any of other battery of tests such as abdominal imaging by sonogram and a gynecological exam - that Chand underwent in 2014 at the behest of Indian sports authorities who soon afterwards banned Chand from competing in all/any women's events.
But the testimony, arguments and rulings in Chand's legal case against the IAAF and the Indian sports authorities who issued the ban make it clear that Chand was found to have T levels of over 10 nmol/L. At the time of Chand's ban and court case, 10 nmol/L was the upper limit allowed by the IAAF for anyone in women's elite athletics competition.
Chand acknowledged having T levels over the 10 nmol/L cutoff from the start of the legal proceedings. The fact that Chand has T levels above 10 nmol/L was taken as a given by all parties in Chand's case; no one on Chand's side ever disputed this.
In order to have T levels over 10 nmol/L, Chand has to have male gonads, testes, that are fully-developed and normally functioning enough that they produce testosterone in the range that's only found in males.
The reference ranges that WA/the IAAF uses say that the normal level for endogenous T in males age 18 and up is 7.7-29.4 nmol/L; and the normal level for endogenous T in females 18 and up (born with ovaries and with one or both ovaries still present) is 0.02-1.68 nmol/L.
There are a number of health conditions that cause unusually high levels of endogenous T in females, aka "hyperandrogenism." But women with these conditions - PCOS, classic CAH, LOCAH, endocrine tumors, pregnancy - still won't have T levels near or above 10 nmol/L like Chand. Females with hyperandrogegism rarely have T levels that come close to half that level - and any woman or girl found to have a T level of 5 nmol//L will be in need of urgent evaluation for a serious health problem that could be life-threatening.
To have an SRY gene and testes capable of producing T at or above 10 nmol/L, Chand would have to have a male karyotype. This would mostly likely mean 46,XY, by far the most common male karyotype - or a perhaps a form of male mosaicism that would cause Chand to have a Y chromosome and functioning SRY gene in a majority of Chand's cells, such as 46,XY/46,XX or 46,XY/47,XXY.
But to develop physically in the way Chand has, Chand also has to have a mutation of the androgen receptor (AR) gene that causes some of Chand's AR cells not to work properly. Having a faulty AR gene would leave Chand unable to make use of the massive amounts of T that Chand's testes produce in all the ways and to the same extent customarily seen in males without DSDs.
In other words, Chand has to have some degree of the disorder known as "androgen insensitivity syndrome" or AIS. But at the same time, Chand can't have complete AIS, aka CAIS, or near-complete AIS. Because athletes with those conditions have not been subject to restrictions in women's elite athletics since the landmark case of Maria Jose Martinez Patino in the late 1980s. (BTW, Martinez Patino testified against Chand's position in Chand's court case.)
Significantly, the genetic mutations that cause AIS only affect the sex development of males, so AIS is a male-only DSD.
Because the AR gene is on the X chromosome, many female humans have the same exact AR gene mutations that cause AIS DSD in males; in fact, the majority of cases of AIS DSD come from males inheriting a mutated AR gene directly from their mothers. But the mutations of the AR gene that many females have don't cause a DSD in females because female sex development does not depend on the ability to make or utilize testosterone and other androgens.
Moreover, because females have two X chromosomes, chances are that even if we have a faulty AR gene on one X chromosome, the AR gene on our other X chromosome will be normal and it will be the AR gene that is operational in all our cells.
Theoretically, I suppose, Chand could have any one of the many other karyotypes containing one or more Y chromosomes with an SRY gene such as 47,XXY; 48, XXXY; 47,XYY; 48,XXYY; 48,XYYY. But people with these karyotypes are all obvious males whose phenotypes are very different to Chand's. Most people with these other, unusual male karyotypes have developmental problems and ongoing health issues that Chand clearly doesn't have too.
Theoretically I guess it's possible that Chand could also be 46,XX and SRY positive due to an SRY gene from Chand's father somehow ending up on the X chromosome the father contributed. But if Chand has a second X chromosome, chances are nil or close to it that Chand would have AIS causing Chand to be unable to respond to and utilize all of Chand's testicular T in the customary ways that people with the SRY gene do.
AFAIK, there's never been a single case reported of an XX person with a faulty AR gene on both X chromosomes. If I am wrong about this, I apologize ahead of time.
Again, you are the person assigning moral value here, not Marinov. In evolutionary terms, the only thing that matters is whether one passes on their genes. This is the brutal truth of biological existence. It is in no way a prescription for how society should treat people who cannot or do not reproduce.
So there is no moral value in arguing that some people's medical conditions are the same as debilitating deformities and diseases. And that we should dismiss them as irrelevant because they will "abolish" themselves.
BTW, where did he present any evidence that human sex is binary? I only saw him repeating how gametes are binary, which has been repeated ad nauseam in other places.
Probably because only stupid republicans are worried about 1 trans athlete in all of the sports. It is a nonissue but have fun being broke in your miserable conservative state with your litter of uneducated children inhaling fumes from your neighbors meth house.
And Lia Thomas is so yesterday's news. Thomas is not eligible to swim in any FINA or USA Swimming sanctioned competitions. Anyone like Thomas is not eligible to swim in future NCAA swimming. This incident happened nearly a year ago. Don't we have any new episode for the outrage theater?
How about this... wait, the teenage girl never saw the non-existing penis in this incident.
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I like how conservatives are fans of collegiate swimming all of a sudden.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
Isn’t poster “RunRagged” a woman? Aren’t all those swimmers at Penn and elsewhere who spoke out, women? The British runner, Yamauichi (sp?) is a woman. Go on Twitter under any reasonably vital post on this subject and you’ll find women speaking for themselves on this issue, in support or against.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
Isn’t poster “RunRagged” a woman? Aren’t all those swimmers at Penn and elsewhere who spoke out, women? The British runner, Yamauichi (sp?) is a woman. Go on Twitter under any reasonably vital post on this subject and you’ll find women speaking for themselves on this issue, in support or against.
So why do conservative men have to insist that they have to speak on behalf of women? If women can speak for themselves, those men should just let those women speak.
(BTW, I don't assume the sex of any poster on an anonymous message board. RunRagged "identifies as" a woman on this board. That's all we know.)
Again, you are the person assigning moral value here, not Marinov. In evolutionary terms, the only thing that matters is whether one passes on their genes. This is the brutal truth of biological existence. It is in no way a prescription for how society should treat people who cannot or do not reproduce.
So there is no moral value in arguing that some people's medical conditions are the same as debilitating deformities and diseases. And that we should dismiss them as irrelevant because they will "abolish" themselves.
BTW, where did he present any evidence that human sex is binary? I only saw him repeating how gametes are binary, which has been repeated ad nauseam in other places.
FFS. It's not a MORAL argument! It's an argument about how genes work.
Also, the gametes one produces determine one's sex. An ovotestis, in the rare instances that it occurs, does not indicate an additional sex category. It indicates that a person has a disorder of sexual development.
I honestly cannot figure out whether you're trolling. My hope is that what I've written is helpful for outside observers.
Why are you so hung up about nudity? We are all born naked and there is no shame. What is the fear you have about nudity? You should get some therapy for this.
Can I wrestle with your kids in the traditional greek fashion (nude)? Come on, it's a great athletic tradition, don't be such a prude, bigot!
Isn’t poster “RunRagged” a woman? Aren’t all those swimmers at Penn and elsewhere who spoke out, women? The British runner, Yamauichi (sp?) is a woman. Go on Twitter under any reasonably vital post on this subject and you’ll find women speaking for themselves on this issue, in support or against.
Transphobia Verbosa’s sex is unverified, and it doesn’t appear value any claims of gender identity, so I’m neutral on its own.
But yes, women are perfectly capable of handling these matters on their own.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
Isn’t poster “RunRagged” a woman? Aren’t all those swimmers at Penn and elsewhere who spoke out, women? The British runner, Yamauichi (sp?) is a woman. Go on Twitter under any reasonably vital post on this subject and you’ll find women speaking for themselves on this issue, in support or against.
I'm a woman, and nearly all of the women I know are against males participating in women's sports. You're right that plenty of women are speaking out, but many are silent due to fears of losing their jobs or being mobbed online. That said, I actually think the most important factor driving silence among women is a fear of being viewed as selfish, judgemental, and uncaring. The women I know who support males competing in women's sports are usually ignorant about sex differences, or they think that trans-identifying males are more oppressed and therefore more deserving of opportunities than women.
Females tend to be more compassionate and agreeable and are therefore more susceptible to claims of harm and oppression. That's what's driving many of the women who carry water for this movement. A small proportion of these activist women have personality disorders and are using the guise of care and compassion to exercise power over others. Some elicit and encourage transition in their own kids because it allows them to get narcissistic supply through playing the compassionate mother who will do anything to support her child. It's Munchausen by proxy in a different form.
At a societal level, the trans ideology is cultist, and human beings are very susceptible to influence. Watch the recent Netflix show "Don't Pick Up the Phone." It's about a man who called fast food restaurants pretending to be a police officer and convinced hundreds of managers to perform strip searches and sometimes sexually assault their employees over a 10-year span. When the workers broke out of the delusional world created for them by the caller, they were horrified by their own behavior. Interestintly, some people who walked in on strip searches and who had not been sucked in by the caller could immediately label the insanity they were witnessing.
Females tend to be more compassionate and agreeable and are therefore more susceptible to claims of harm and oppression. That's what's driving many of the women who carry water for this movement. A small proportion of these activist women have personality disorders and are using the guise of care and compassion to exercise power over others. Some elicit and encourage transition in their own kids because it allows them to get narcissistic supply through playing the compassionate mother who will do anything to support her child. It's Munchausen by proxy in a different form.
You forgot to mention the homophobic parents who are forcing their kids to transition because they are afraid their kids are gay.
Or has that talking point been retired in your circle? It's hard to keep up with all the narratives because they evolve so rapidly.
I like how conservatives are fans of collegiate swimming all of a sudden.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
A small proportion of these activist women have personality disorders and are using the guise of care and compassion to exercise power over others.
Those are called Karens.
Anyway, here's the problem with this trans-buffoonery. Nobody sane wants men in women's locker rooms, period. That being said, if you let in any man with a wig on who can hum the tune "i feel like a natural woman", here's what's gonna happen. Some guy that rightfully wants to put an end to this dumf*ckery (possibly the father or boyfriend of a female athlete) will do the following. They will put a wig on and go in there. When challenged on it they will say they are a woman, just like the transgenders. There are no cameras in there. Then they will go right up to the tranny pervert and beat the ever living $HIT out of them. When called on it, all they have to say is they were in there minding their own business and they were sexually assaulted. They can say the tranny tried to RAPE them and it was all self defense. It will be everybody's word against the tranny freaks.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
I like how conservatives are fans of collegiate swimming all of a sudden.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
Isn't that what the feminists (both male and female) on the left do? Also, why is protecting women wrong?
Conservatives also don't want children to be sterilized, castrated and hormonally experimented on because of the trans movement. Let me guess, wanting to help children is mean and bad, too?
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
I'm not a conservative or a man.
I never said you were. Why do you think every post has to be about you? Because you are the One and Only RunRagged?
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
Isn't that what the feminists (both male and female) on the left do? Also, why is protecting women wrong?
Conservatives also don't want children to be sterilized, castrated and hormonally experimented on because of the trans movement. Let me guess, wanting to help children is mean and bad, too?
Feminists (both women and men) let women speak with their own voices. There is nothing wrong with protecting women if that's what they asked for. Conservative men often try to "protect" teenage girls from their own friends against their will. And they are very proud of it, because their assumption is as adult men they know better than those girls.
And they want trans kid to stay in, or go back to their closet, get depressed, and withdraw from the society. That's what they call "helping" children.
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I like how conservatives are fans of collegiate swimming all of a sudden.
Conservative men love the transgender topic, because it allows them to play the traditional role of "guardians of women." It even allows them to speak on behalf of women because "women are so scared of being cancelled."
What a terrible idea. Men protecting women. Truth is, most sane women respect and appreciate men that defend them.
