Katir is the most obvious doper of all time

Sopa de Sabadell wrote:

Just watched the race on youtube.

Two takeaways:

1) Not a full out run by Katir, he might be in 7:22-23 shape.

2) He has a very smooth stride and a well oiled upper body system. Seems, that his arms are no-nonsense and his torso is in synergy with the rest of his body, meanwhile McSweyns form fell apart in the last 200m. Katir reminds me somewhat of Gebreselassie, just taller. Maybe his torso + arms are giving him a way to breathe better and that could be a reason why he's not suffocating after the finish line.

Main takeaway, had the perfect pacer in McSweyn all the way to 250 to go. Official pacers got it slightly wrong with laps over 60" early. If McSweyn had a pacer to 250 to go McSweyn would have run 7:25-6 but I agree Katir with that kick, still would have won in 7:23-4.

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

1500m fans can only hope he shares the Aouita Moroccan mentality in every way. He may want the 1500 glory but avoids putting it on the line in major champs and picks the easier 5000.

no, he'll double 800m/1500m in 2024, injuring his hamstring and kinda float off into yesteryear.

Samuel Mahele Akili wrote:how many spaniards have tested positive in the last 10 years

four spanish athletes have been sanctioned in the past six years:

Sally greenglow wrote:

Samuel Mahele Akili wrote:how many spaniards have tested positive in the last 10 years

four spanish athletes have been sanctioned in the past six years:

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/disciplinary-process/global-list-of-ineligible-persons?athleteName=&role=&country=ESP&sex=&sanction=&discipline=&secondaryDiscipline=&infraction-year-from=&infraction-year-to=&eligibility-year-from=&eligibility-year-to=&isDopingViolation=#filters

Compare that to 15 americans and and so many kenyans I could not be asked to count

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Main takeaway, had the perfect pacer in McSweyn all the way to 250 to go. Official pacers got it slightly wrong with laps over 60" early. If McSweyn had a pacer to 250 to go McSweyn would have run 7:25-6 but I agree Katir with that kick, still would have won in 7:23-4.

So what you are saying is that the pacer ran too slow and was not perfect.

Katir's principle improvements are this year, so don't give us the Pandemic test evasion theory. He also runs in tons of big meetings (European championships, DLs) where he will get tested, so don't give us the Makhloufi/G. Dibaba theory of test evasion. He is also based in Spain in an easy-to-find location. His results will have him under the ABP and random OOC testing.

Through all these factors, we can determine he is clearly not worried about getting tested, so if he's doping he has:

a) an undetectable PED (we haven't heard about these in a while)

b) a microdosing regime he is confident in

c) a reckless attitude (he will get caught soon)

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Katir's principle improvements are this year, so don't give us the Pandemic test evasion theory. He also runs in tons of big meetings (European championships, DLs) where he will get tested, so don't give us the Makhloufi/G. Dibaba theory of test evasion. He is also based in Spain in an easy-to-find location. His results will have him under the ABP and random OOC testing.

Through all these factors, we can determine he is clearly not worried about getting tested, so if he's doping he has:

a) an undetectable PED (we haven't heard about these in a while)

b) a microdosing regime he is confident in

c) a reckless attitude (he will get caught soon)

or, d) if he's doped, maybe he began at the end of the previous season as some of the numerous articles floating around has indicated would be best avoidance and benefit timing.

Imagine my surprise that Katir isn't part of an Athletics Integrity Unit out-of-competition testing pool.

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/know-the-process/en/WORLD-ATHLETICS-TESTING-POOL-Q3-2021.pdf

Really funny reading about the americans bashing another european runner when they have enough known dopers ( got actually caught) that they defend. The usada is even helping them escape Like ajee and many others. Why Richardson got one month and Not 4 years anyways. She took a forbidden substance in preparation for a competition to perform better. Clear 4 years ban

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Really funny reading about the americans bashing another european runner when they have enough known dopers ( got actually caught) that they defend. The usada is even helping them escape Like ajee and many others. Why Richardson got one month and Not 4 years anyways. She took a forbidden substance in preparation for a competition to perform better. Clear 4 years ban

Richardson confessed to using recreational marijuana. She owned it and I have consistently stated I respect her a lot for doing so. Yes, the rules are the rules, as controversial as marijuana may be in terms of being a prohibited substance.

Houlihan was not forthright and got what she deserved. I have been consistently critical of BTC for years.

But the difference here is that we know our top athletes are actually getting tested and sometimes testing positive. With the exception of the asinine petition to reinstate Richardson, the sense I get from my fellow Americans is little tolerance for violations and a resounding "good riddance" mentality for positive tests. Maybe the absence of a population-wide inferiority complex is part of American Exceptionalism. It seems like at any given moment a quarter of the topics on this board call our own athletes' performances into question. But as soon as the facts surrounding one slimy Spaniard are put on display his acolytes come out of the woodwork to slide threads, echo stupid non-sequiturs and if all that fails claim moral virtue and victim status.

I'll ask again: Why isn't Katir in an OOC testing pool? Isn't he at the national training center?

Richardson knowingly took a banned substance to sleep better before the competition (to perform better the next day). That is a 4 year ban. Just because usada is protecting americans at every step and is accepting their excuses does not change that

Exactly! And McSweyn IS in the OOC testing pool. It's a joke that someone can have such a fast rise due to doping that they get success even before being added to the OOC pool. Come on.

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

You are absolutely disgusting. No, YOU are absolutely confirming the Moroccan stereotype with your outrageous and insane doping apologist comments here.

You can go you and your Sebastian Coe to the toilette.

That's best place that fit you knowing your acts in these forums.

We've merged two threads into one. WE don't need multiple threads on the exact same topic. The 2nd thread was entitled, "Change My Mind: Mohammed Katir is Doping"

drtoneill wrote:

It's a joke that someone can have such a fast rise due to doping that they get success even before being added to the OOC pool.

That is why it is called the integrity unit, just to underline that there is no integrity.

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Richardson knowingly took a banned substance to sleep better before the competition (to perform better the next day). That is a 4 year ban. Just because usada is protecting americans at every step and is accepting their excuses does not change that

Cool let’s keep going in circles with the “what aboutisms.” It sure sounds like your claim that USADA is protecting US athletes is laying the groundwork for justifying dirty non-Americans like Katir as if it’s some kind of perverse justice. You’re proving my point that a victimhood mentality is pervasive in those turning a blind eye to Katir’s meteoric rise since winter.

Just be honest about it. Admit you think it’s ok to dope because the big bad Americans have carte blanche to cheat.

Or keep posting lame identical/repetitive sht behind a slew of accounts that everyone sees for what they are.

Why would you say Houlihan was not forthright and that she deserved what she got?

No one proved that she was not forthright, nor proved the source of the nandrolone, to any legal standard.

These were not questions answered by the AIU, or put before the CAS.

According to the WADA code, “strict liability” after a positive test for presence in the A and B sample shifts the burden to “guilty until proven innocent” — a standard not known in modern societies for bringing justice.

In any case, according to the code, proving ingestion by pork would not change the guilty verdict, just the sanction.

The question remains whether the code has brought justice, or whether Houlihan became collateral damage.

The WADA code doesn’t allow for making that distinction.

AIU is not the only anti-doping authority. Have you checked the Spanish federation and Spanish anti-doping lists?

Up until recently, his performances were probably not fast enough to warrant putting him in the OOC testing pool.

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Richardson knowingly took a banned substance to sleep better before the competition (to perform better the next day). That is a 4 year ban. Just because usada is protecting americans at every step and is accepting their excuses does not change that

That’s not true. The nominal 4-year ban can be reduced.

For marijuana, the rules allow a reduction as low as 30-days.