I also think that the Ds are a bit less fire dependent than the Rs.
I think the opposite is true.
And to agip, I already know what *issues* people vote on. I'm asking why turnout won't be depressed among Democrats given the senate majority is locked up, given you think that will be the case for Republicans.
I hear you - i just think Dems will be more fired up given the situation. Does anyone really really get fired up for herschel walker to be a backbencher in the minority in the senate?
I think this election has shown that the Ds are more fired up than the Rs and that should continue. Ds showed up to vote despite being told it was a lost cause to keep either chamber.
Strong disagree. Rupert Murdock is blatantly publically against him now. They've started calling DeSantis, "DeFuture." The only Trump-backed candidate that did WELL was Vance in my backwards state of Ohio. Republicans who are at odds with Trump did well...Kemp, Sununu, DeSantis.
M*A*G*A support just isn't there for him. Some vocal minority morons like a few who post here, but that's it. Going to get even worse as the indictments start to come down. This election was the turning point...evidence that support of that POS is not there any more.
it's all about the primaries...m'aga votes in the primaries and won't show up for you unless you are pro-trump, pro J6, election denier etc. The whole 9 yards.
as for murdoch...he's just selling papers. He doesn't really care. he tried ending m'aga before and went crawling back and he'll do it again.
Nah...strongly disagree. This election is a line in the sand. And Murdoch doesn't just sell papers...he helps shape the views of those who consume what he puts out. Trump was called the biggest loser after this election even by those on Fox News. It's over. Even for the Trump faithful, his one-trick pony isn't entertaining anymore. He picked Oz and then blamed his wife when Oz lost. Even Sally hasn't stooped that low.
Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024, and then in 2028 when it is a change election, assuming the GOP has moved back to normal people, they will likely win the White House, and Trump will be not even still be seen in the rear view mirror.
it's all about the primaries...m'aga votes in the primaries and won't show up for you unless you are pro-trump, pro J6, election denier etc. The whole 9 yards.
as for murdoch...he's just selling papers. He doesn't really care. he tried ending m'aga before and went crawling back and he'll do it again.
Nah...strongly disagree. This election is a line in the sand. And Murdoch doesn't just sell papers...he helps shape the views of those who consume what he puts out. Trump was called the biggest loser after this election even by those on Fox News. It's over. Even for the Trump faithful, his one-trick pony isn't entertaining anymore. He picked Oz and then blamed his wife when Oz lost. Even Sally hasn't stooped that low.
Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024, and then in 2028 when it is a change election, assuming the GOP has moved back to normal people, they will likely win the White House, and Trump will be not even still be seen in the rear view mirror.
Biden needs to be in a care home now.
But could win in 2024 after the trainwreck his presidency is.
And to agip, I already know what *issues* people vote on. I'm asking why turnout won't be depressed among Democrats given the senate majority is locked up, given you think that will be the case for Republicans.
I hear you - i just think Dems will be more fired up given the situation. Does anyone really really get fired up for herschel walker to be a backbencher in the minority in the senate?
I think this election has shown that the Ds are more fired up than the Rs and that should continue. Ds showed up to vote despite being told it was a lost cause to keep either chamber.
But sure, both sides will lose some motivation.
IF Democrats win AZ and NV, that for sure DOES take some of the fire away from the GA runoff. How could it not?
HOWEVER, I think agip is correct that there will be enough fire left not only for Warnock to win, but to win decisively. Walker won't have the Governor lead in to help him. That in and of itself is huge.
So do we get some indictments next week now that midterms are over? So many republicans are holding their breath to see if their crimes will hurt them or help them.
Nah...strongly disagree. This election is a line in the sand. And Murdoch doesn't just sell papers...he helps shape the views of those who consume what he puts out. Trump was called the biggest loser after this election even by those on Fox News. It's over. Even for the Trump faithful, his one-trick pony isn't entertaining anymore. He picked Oz and then blamed his wife when Oz lost. Even Sally hasn't stooped that low.
Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024, and then in 2028 when it is a change election, assuming the GOP has moved back to normal people, they will likely win the White House, and Trump will be not even still be seen in the rear view mirror.
Biden needs to be in a care home now.
But could win in 2024 after the trainwreck his presidency is.
Says much about our system
You are so biased it's ridiculous.
Biden just did a GREAT job fielding questions from reporters after the election. He's totally there. He's just old. His age is a factor. He has no signs of dementia. You Trumpers are insane.
You are also biased with regard to saying his Presidency is a train wreck. I have said many times that all I required of Biden was to keep the chair warm. He beat Trump, and that was good enough for me, but he has accomplished some great things...got stuff passed that helps veterans, lowers the cost of prescription drugs, strengthens the ACA, paves the way for high-tech jobs (Chip manufacturing) to be here...one of the most successful and active first halves of a Presidency ever.
If his Presidency has been such a trainwreck, why wasn't there a Red Wave? Can't answer? Of course you can't.
So do we get some indictments next week now that midterms are over? So many republicans are holding their breath to see if their crimes will hurt them or help them.
Reminder of what the Republican Party is. Today:
BREAKING: Trump Org's Controller, Jeff McConney, testified today in the criminal tax fraud trial against the co., stating that he had been ordered to mischaracterize executive income to evade taxes. He also said that notations in Donald Trump's ledger were doctored. Ok, by whom?
So do we get some indictments next week now that midterms are over? So many republicans are holding their breath to see if their crimes will hurt them or help them.
I can't make a prediction on when the indictments will come...only that they will. The DOJ is clearly positioning itself to do it. They didn't have David Raskin join the prosecuting team to go after those fools who entered the Capitol.
So do we get some indictments next week now that midterms are over? So many republicans are holding their breath to see if their crimes will hurt them or help them.
Many are noting that if the Dems win the senate in NV, there just won't be much fire for the GOP voters to show up for the GA runoff. Since the senate is already lost.
Which would make 51D-49R Senate the most likely outcome at this point.
What excuse will the Dems have for getting nothing done for the people over the next 2 yrs then?
Oh, don't you know already? I can hear it now: "That Republican House won't work with us on anything"--they say, knowing full well that they'll give the House nothing to work with.
I'd expect the Senate to turn into a McConnell Senate: approve judges, and wait for the next election.
But could win in 2024 after the trainwreck his presidency is.
Says much about our system
You are so biased it's ridiculous.
Biden just did a GREAT job fielding questions from reporters after the election. He's totally there. He's just old. His age is a factor. He has no signs of dementia. You Trumpers are insane.
You are also biased with regard to saying his Presidency is a train wreck. I have said many times that all I required of Biden was to keep the chair warm. He beat Trump, and that was good enough for me, but he has accomplished some great things...got stuff passed that helps veterans, lowers the cost of prescription drugs, strengthens the ACA, paves the way for high-tech jobs (Chip manufacturing) to be here...one of the most successful and active first halves of a Presidency ever.
If his Presidency has been such a trainwreck, why wasn't there a Red Wave? Can't answer? Of course you can't.
This has been a good 2 years?
A war in Ukraine, near total censorship, forced vaccines that are not safe and not effective, smearing, firing, threatening those who would not jab, raging inflation, a bad stock market, failed promises: NO medicare for all, no hike in minimum wage, no decriminalization of weed, no $2,000 check, no college debt relief. Biden family corruption. Biden's dementia.
His admin did none of the things you claim. Drug prices not lowered, vets not helped
Lax's path is not tough. It's easier than Cortez's. There are no "heavily Democratic areas" in Nevada that we know of. We don't have the granularity to find one, if they exist. We have Nevada counties. You need to quit speaking in broad generalities couched in qualified guesses. It's meaningless and pompous at the same time.
There are 2 out of 17 Nevada counties in which Cortez is winning - Clark and Washoe. Her percentage leads in are 51.5% to 45.6% in Clark and 50.1% to 47.2% in Washoe. That is not "heavily Democratic."
Clark is 91% counted and Washoe is 89% counted. Cortez would lose by 6,520 if current voting percentages throughout Nevada counties remained the same, and it is more than reasonable when 88% of the vote is in to conclude that they will. Cortez needs these alleged Clark county drop boxes to skew around 57% in her favor as opposed to 50% if she is going to win.
We shall see. If you are so sure, you should go make a bet somewhere as the odds are still saying the Democrat wins there. Laxalt could very well win. I am far from sure that he will lose, but again, at this point if I HAD to guess, I'm going with him losing. Graham is already talking about fraud if he loses...methinks he sees the writing on the wall. We shall see. I haven't been wrong yet on any of the Senate races. Perhaps I will be on this one.
I think we need to know more about these drop boxes and if they are utilized more by Democrats than Republicans. If they aren't Cortez will lose by around 6,500 votes at the current reported vote percentages.
Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024, and then in 2028 when it is a change election, assuming the GOP has moved back to normal people, they will likely win the White House, and Trump will be not even still be seen in the rear view mirror.
I disagree with this assessment. Republicans had a 6.1% edge in house races this year, which is a better indication of national sentiment. Factor in a likely recession and possible war between China and Taiwan and there is no way an incompetent Biden gets re-elected, especially if inflation continues due to his war on fossil fuels.
Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024, and then in 2028 when it is a change election, assuming the GOP has moved back to normal people, they will likely win the White House, and Trump will be not even still be seen in the rear view mirror.
I disagree with this assessment. Republicans had a 6.1% edge in house races this year, which is a better indication of national sentiment. Factor in a likely recession and possible war between China and Taiwan and there is no way an incompetent Biden gets re-elected, especially if inflation continues due to his war on fossil fuels.
The greatest performance by an in-power party in a generation or two is pretty solid evidence that ma’ga is on the outs. The GOP cray cray repels too many Americans. It works in gop primaries but not general elections.
This election was historically amazing for the Dems and will be studied for decades.
as for the popular count - California hasn’t finished and lots of m’aga seats were unchallenged so it’s not as meaningful as you might think.
as for the popular count - California hasn’t finished and lots of m’aga seats were unchallenged so it’s not as meaningful as you might think.
Lots of Democrat seats are unchallenged.
*Now* the popular vote is meaningless?
The popular vote is how these articles determine gerrymandering bias. Like I said earlier, it's probably going to show a D-bias this year, possibly by multiple percentage points.
as for the popular count - California hasn’t finished and lots of m’aga seats were unchallenged so it’s not as meaningful as you might think.
Lots of Democrat seats are unchallenged.
*Now* the popular vote is meaningless?
The popular vote is how these articles determine gerrymandering bias. Like I said earlier, it's probably going to show a D-bias this year, possibly by multiple percentage points.
well first off all let's wait until all the votes are counted eh?
and midterm popular vote is not the same as presidential popular vote. At midterms everyone is voting for someone different....in the prez elections they're all voting for the same guy so the count is more meaningful.
The popular vote is how these articles determine gerrymandering bias. Like I said earlier, it's probably going to show a D-bias this year, possibly by multiple percentage points.
well first off all let's wait until all the votes are counted eh?
and midterm popular vote is not the same as presidential popular vote. At midterms everyone is voting for someone different....in the prez elections they're all voting for the same guy so the count is more meaningful.
related but different and less meaningful.
apples to pears.
and of course the vote counts at midterms are tens of millions lower than prez elections, so it is more of a tracker of the highly committed voter than of the country as a whole.
The popular vote is how these articles determine gerrymandering bias. Like I said earlier, it's probably going to show a D-bias this year, possibly by multiple percentage points.
well first off all let's wait until all the votes are counted eh?
and midterm popular vote is not the same as presidential popular vote. At midterms everyone is voting for someone different....in the prez elections they're all voting for the same guy so the count is more meaningful.
related but different and less meaningful.
apples to pears.
Republicans are up 5.6 million. California might close the gap by 800k, maybe over a million with WA and OR (when will they be done counting again, Christmas?). Republicans should still win the popular vote by ~4.5%, and if the median district is R+0.5 that's an D+4 map bias.
R+4.5 would be a 7.1pp swing since the house vote in 2020. A big moral victory at least.
well first off all let's wait until all the votes are counted eh?
and midterm popular vote is not the same as presidential popular vote. At midterms everyone is voting for someone different....in the prez elections they're all voting for the same guy so the count is more meaningful.
related but different and less meaningful.
apples to pears.
Republicans are up 5.6 million. California might close the gap by 800k, maybe over a million with WA and OR (when will they be done counting again, Christmas?). Republicans should still win the popular vote by ~4.5%, and if the median district is R+0.5 that's an D+4 map bias.
R+4.5 would be a 7.1pp swing since the house vote in 2020. A big moral victory at least.
are you looking at the Cook Report vote tracker?
take a look at the dakotas. That's 400,000 votes for the R and absolutely zero for the D. Wyoming and Montana are similar.
I just don't think this stat means much when two small states can move the tracker 400,000 votes because no D is on the ballot, apparently. I'd not pay much attention to it.
it's all about the primaries...m'aga votes in the primaries and won't show up for you unless you are pro-trump, pro J6, election denier etc. The whole 9 yards.
as for murdoch...he's just selling papers. He doesn't really care. he tried ending m'aga before and went crawling back and he'll do it again.
Nah...strongly disagree. This election is a line in the sand. And Murdoch doesn't just sell papers...he helps shape the views of those who consume what he puts out. Trump was called the biggest loser after this election even by those on Fox News. It's over. Even for the Trump faithful, his one-trick pony isn't entertaining anymore. He picked Oz and then blamed his wife when Oz lost. Even Sally hasn't stooped that low.
Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024, and then in 2028 when it is a change election, assuming the GOP has moved back to normal people, they will likely win the White House, and Trump will be not even still be seen in the rear view mirror.
"Biden or another Democrat will win in 2024" - Flagpole
You said Hillary would win in 2016. I trusted you back then. I refuse to trust you now! You were wrong back then and will likely be wrong now.
