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The Santa Clarita Marathon was Frank Meza's first marathon. His slowest road marathon other than the Boston Marathon was LAM 2009 at 3:28:08.
So I do have a point to this info. It seems that Frank Meza possibly got started in all this mess by wanting to qualify for that Boston Marathon which he and his son Francisco both participated in. A once in a lifetime chance to run Boston. Francisco got in by less than 10 minutes. His age standard was 3:10. One cheat to run Boston should have been enough.
bill the pillow wrote:
2. What do you expect his employer to do exactly?
I would expect the employer to delete any reference to Meza's running on their corporate website. It's one thing for Meza to boast about his running accomplishments on his Facebook page, but Kaiser should not be providing a platform for promoting these bogus claims on their official corporate website. Failure to address this issue promptly can be very damaging to an organization's image and reputation. Loyola HS understood that basic concept and took immediate action.
Not to imply Francisco cheated.....I was referring to Frank Meza only.
Roderick Powell wrote:
Not to imply Francisco cheated.....I was referring to Frank Meza only.
Francisco appears to be legit in his own running endeavours.
However, he does get three thumbs down for being one of three banditos who scammed the children's charity half, for being Frank's 'helper' (lol) at LAM2009 and obviously being aware of and condoning Frank's cheating, so he's not squeaky clean.
Roderick Powell wrote:
Not to imply Francisco cheated.....I was referring to Frank Meza only.
Right. Francisco’s Boston time was in line with his qualifying time (about seven minutes slower). I think dad wanted to join son at Boston by any means necessary. Which brings us back to the questions; who knew and how many people knew? How would his son NOT know? And if his son knew about that one, it stands to reason that he knew about them all, does it not?
bill the pillow wrote:
triathleteguru wrote:
than I might file an official complaint.
You my friend come off as not bright and rather desperate.
1. Medical boards deals with medical complaints. Negligence, not following medical standards of care, violations of patient rights/privacy, inappropriate behaviors towards patients, etc. There's ZERO room for a non medical complaint such as cheating at a race. Please don't waste California taxpayer dollars to force some state employee to have to read this have to present it.
2. What do you expect his employer to do exactly? Fire him because there's evidence that he cheated, even though the LA Marathon didn't actually DQ him? Do you understand that in today's world, an employer can't just decide to fire someone without cause that impacts job performance? I don't disagree that the guy has poor ethics and that likely he's had poor ethics as a doctor. But he can't be fired over a non crime unrelated to his job. If they were to fire him, he'd likely win A LOT of money in court for wrongful termination.
California's "Guide to the Laws Governing the Practice of Medicine by Physicians and Surgeons" states on page 24 that, Ethical matters that do not break the law are referred to County Medical Societies.
While I doubt Frank would lose his job, the fact that his superiors will be scrutinising his cheating, no doubt watching the videos etc and then directing him to be quizzed about this by his County Medical Society, is no small thing. All the elevation his self-image has gained in his little circle will come crashing down, and he'll know that rather than being viewed as some sort of phenom by his colleagues, he is now looked on as a cheat, a loser and a joke. For me, that'll do.
He also won the AG at Santa Clarita in 2007 with that 3:27. It wasn't the kind of blazing 2:52s he started registering recently, but still, 3:27 for a 58 year old is not bad... which means he probably didn't run it. It sounds pretty likely--he desperately wanted to make Boston a father-son trip and started the course-cutting in order to BQ, which seems to be how most course-cutters get started.
RossiCheated wrote:
I think dad wanted to join son at Boston by any means necessary.
And look how easy it was for Dad (assuming the course was much the same as now):
http://scmarathon.org/files/2019/03/Full-and-Half-Marathon-2019.pdfYou don't know what you are talking about. wrote:
rather than being viewed as some sort of phenom by his colleagues, he is now looked on as a cheat, a loser and a joke. For me, that'll do.
Neatly summed up here by Sam:
I Am Sam wrote:
Leapin Lanyards wrote:
And what's he doing here?
http://d35l3oybk21k7h.cloudfront.net/photos/photos/6277416_race_0.3399940168106095.display.jpg?1406592670All I see is a sad old man, ambling along, not a runner sorry
Tron assures everyone that if it’s on the wrist, you were there!
I ran the Santa Clarita Half a few years before FM ran the full in 2007. It is about the most cheatable course you can possibly imagine. So it seems he started small: smaller events, smaller chance of getting DQ'd, more modest times just to qualify for Boston, and slowly worked his way up to world class times at bigger events.
RossiCheated wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
Not to imply Francisco cheated.....I was referring to Frank Meza only.
Right. Francisco’s Boston time was in line with his qualifying time (about seven minutes slower). I think dad wanted to join son at Boston by any means necessary. Which brings us back to the questions; who knew and how many people knew? How would his son NOT know? And if his son knew about that one, it stands to reason that he knew about them all, does it not?
"who knew and how many people knew?" - Not sure, but hard to believe it wouldn't reach double figures.
"How would his son NOT know?" - He knew.
And if his son knew about that one, it stands to reason that he knew about them all, does it not? - It does.
People, he ain’t gonna lose his medical license for cheating at marathons. The ama doesn’t regulate a docs license. Whereas the ama could theoretically censor him (highly unlikely!!!) and kick him out of the ama, that would be counterculture to the real goal of the ama which is to collect membership fees from doctors. It’s a near worthless organization, medically speaking. It is not mandatory for docs to be in it.
State medical boards nix people licenses for things like repetitive bad malpractice, substance abuse, sexual abuse of patients, and really bad stuff. Not the moral reprehensibility of serial running cheating.
County medical boards are no more than glorified social clubs that usually do some charity work, typical via the spouses of doctors. They also could censor him but it would not mean a thing. Plus they might lose his membership dues if he’s even a member
Lastly, most doctors aren’t even members of the ama or their county societies.
Now get back to sleuthing that 3:28 “qualifier and stop fantasizing about official punishment they won’t happen.
A long way of saying you can predict the future...
bill the pillow wrote:
triathleteguru wrote:
than I might file an official complaint.
You my friend come off as not bright and rather desperate.
1. Medical boards deals with medical complaints. Negligence, not following medical standards of care, violations of patient rights/privacy, inappropriate behaviors towards patients, etc. There's ZERO room for a non medical complaint such as cheating at a race. Please don't waste California taxpayer dollars to force some state employee to have to read this have to present it.
2. What do you expect his employer to do exactly? Fire him because there's evidence that he cheated, even though the LA Marathon didn't actually DQ him? Do you understand that in today's world, an employer can't just decide to fire someone without cause that impacts job performance? I don't disagree that the guy has poor ethics and that likely he's had poor ethics as a doctor. But he can't be fired over a non crime unrelated to his job. If they were to fire him, he'd likely win A LOT of money in court for wrongful termination.
This triguru fellow doesn’t seem to be playing with a full deck.
If he was my doctor I would drop him.
If he was my sons assistant coach I would tell the coach to drop him.
If he was my employee I would fire him.
If he was my co-worker I would shun him.
If he was a friend I would avoid him.
If he was a relative I would disown him.
There is really nothing good about this creep. It is outrageous that someone would try to pass themselves off as an elite runner. The nerve of this guy not only cheating but setting age group records.
Besides Ed Whitlock and Gene Dykes is there any other runners near 70 that are close to 3 hours?
Gotta say, this is easy to share and it gets the message out there!
