bluto blutarsky wrote:
Lazy Bum wrote:Hope he doesn't have to pass history class.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f-cking Peace Corps.
bluto blutarsky wrote:
Lazy Bum wrote:Hope he doesn't have to pass history class.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f-cking Peace Corps.
for the masses wrote:
Case Closed wrote:William Moran (guy who gave Kahia a hitch) just posted smoking gun on his personal page.
https://www.facebook.com/william.moran.71?fref=ufi&rc=pCan you paraphrase these details again?
So she was in the park, asked for a ride out of the park, called ahead to a hostel, was dropped off at the hostel and then returned to a more southernly part of the trail to continue to hike south? And the timestamps include this? Where is the information on where she started hiking again the following day and what are the mileage waypoints where she stopped, got off and what are the mileage waypoints for when she started again?
seems like these tidbits need to be presented to be sound proof? I'm sure they exist but I don't see them anywhere easy to look at
we need another infographic showing the pick up off the trail, the hitch to the hostel, and the next known starting point on trail with mileage gaps and time stamps
anyone?? :)
I posted images in chronological order.
For William Moran:
Hate to beat this horse again but here it is. A string of proof that you used me to make miles in an AT FKT attempt then accused me of lying. Here's the timeline. Kaiha called Stanimal's at 10:33am, we left the south gate at 10:47am and finally my son snapped a video in Stanimal's driveway at 11:05am so IF I hitched you from rockfish gap as you say then why do I have a call to Stanimal's at 10:33am inside the park? Oh right... Your phone was dead so you used mine. Let's put this to bed. I was going to pm all of this to you but you ignored my kind request to come clean last week then accused me of lying. KARL MELTZER FTW!!!
and Bill Townsend of White Blaze:
Bill Townsend So got in car before 10:33 at minimum.
Kaiha phoned the hostel at 10:33 from INSIDE the park.
Rode in the vehicle and cleared the gate at 10:47.
Arrived at the hostel at 11:05.
I saw the video of Will's son talking to Kaiha when she finished the ride.
It is easy to see it is her.
Regardless of the exact mileage, 1 or 46, this invalidates the claim as a portion was covered in Will's car.
College. wrote:
bluto blutarsky wrote:Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f-cking Peace Corps.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Greg, what is the worst fraternity on this campus?
Greg Marmalard: Well that would be hard to say, sir. They're each outstanding in their own way.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Cut the horseshit, son. I've got their disciplinary files right here. Who dropped a whole truckload of fizzies into the varsity swim meet? Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the alumni dinner? Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode.
Greg Marmalard: You're talking about Delta, sir.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Of course I'm talking about Delta, you TWERP!
for the masses wrote:
Case Closed wrote:William Moran (guy who gave Kahia a hitch) just posted smoking gun on his personal page.
https://www.facebook.com/william.moran.71?fref=ufi&rc=pCan you paraphrase these details again?
So she was in the park, asked for a ride out of the park, called ahead to a hostel, was dropped off at the hostel and then returned to a more southernly part of the trail to continue to hike south? And the timestamps include this? Where is the information on where she started hiking again the following day and what are the mileage waypoints where she stopped, got off and what are the mileage waypoints for when she started again?
seems like these tidbits need to be presented to be sound proof? I'm sure they exist but I don't see them anywhere easy to look at
we need another infographic showing the pick up off the trail, the hitch to the hostel, and the next known starting point on trail with mileage gaps and time stamps
anyone?? :)
Go to the link below, that is where most people on this thread are getting their information. Skim through a few pages,and it will help you catch up on the evidence presented thus far:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php/120840-Kaiha-Bertollini-Real-FKT/page19not gonna' let it die wrote:
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...
??!?* wrote:
WTF??
Rossi thread gold - mostly for the chaos it caused
And the next morning she was dropped off at the south end of the park, 1/4 mile from where the guy got his receipt, and 45 miles from where he thinks he picked her up. The Stanimal's hostel has a picture of when and where she was dropped off.
Once proven to skip miles, those 70 mile days are totally unbelievable, as in, they didn't happen.
Post #364 on p19 of the whiteblaze forum has the info pretty well summarized.
RRRR wrote:
for the masses wrote:Can you paraphrase these details again?
So she was in the park, asked for a ride out of the park, called ahead to a hostel, was dropped off at the hostel and then returned to a more southernly part of the trail to continue to hike south? And the timestamps include this? Where is the information on where she started hiking again the following day and what are the mileage waypoints where she stopped, got off and what are the mileage waypoints for when she started again?
seems like these tidbits need to be presented to be sound proof? I'm sure they exist but I don't see them anywhere easy to look at
we need another infographic showing the pick up off the trail, the hitch to the hostel, and the next known starting point on trail with mileage gaps and time stamps
anyone?? :)
Go to the link below, that is where most people on this thread are getting their information. Skim through a few pages,and it will help you catch up on the evidence presented thus far:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php/120840-Kaiha-Bertollini-Real-FKT/page19
Okay so she definetly was in a car within the park which technically does not discredit an FKT alone.
She definetly skipped .25 to .5 during the guard rail incident.
But it is inconclusive wether or not she returned to the same spot and at what time.
It is also inconclusive to determine if she back tracked the .25 to .5 mile to the official trail to resume hiking, which if she did then she would have had to put in some big miles, which is thought to be around 50 mile world record pace? But that is heresy because we do not know when she returned back to the trail. If she hitched in and out of the park to buy cigarettes and eat, shower, socialize, do drugs, browse the web, etc and returned back to the trail after few hours im town and hiked again through the nigjt with little sleep then this guardrail theory wouldn't discredit her.
I still think she did not beat Karl but so far she is not allowed nor disallowed the FKT with present lack of data.
Anish, the one who she is claiming to also have beaten has never revealed gps data, but does have it still and released a near-finished route of waypoints for her record hike. This was released a few days ago on matt kirks blog. A year after her hike..
Anish record holds ground on merit alone.
Bertolli does not have the FKT on merit alone.
These are the facts.
Meatball Ninja Sandwich wrote:
And the next morning she was dropped off at the south end of the park, 1/4 mile from where the guy got his receipt, and 45 miles from where he thinks he picked her up. The Stanimal's hostel has a picture of when and where she was dropped off.
Once proven to skip miles, those 70 mile days are totally unbelievable, as in, they didn't happen.
Post #364 on p19 of the whiteblaze forum has the info pretty well summarized.
Ok forget my above post,she's screwed.
Whiteblaze withdrew wrote:
Strantely, the Whiteblaze hiking site closed their thread and is not providing any more challenge to her claim. Apparently they're letting her have it because they think she's deranged.
Personally I much prefer LRC's method of outing the cheaters and not letting them get away with it.
not gonna' let it die wrote:
So here's a thought... those people who believe the above can stop viewing and responding to the thread, whilst still allowing others to express their opinion.
Right, which would be the logical thing to do.
Closing the thread is hiding the truth, and supporting the the fraud.
Meatball Ninja Sandwich wrote:
And the next morning she was dropped off at the south end of the park, 1/4 mile from where the guy got his receipt, and 45 miles from where he thinks he picked her up. The Stanimal's hostel has a picture of when and where she was dropped off.
Once proven to skip miles, those 70 mile days are totally unbelievable, as in, they didn't happen.
Post #364 on p19 of the whiteblaze forum has the info pretty well summarized.
Ok forget my above post,she's screwed.
College. wrote:
bluto blutarsky wrote:Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f-cking Peace Corps.
Ok. Thanks for the context guys. I looked up those quotes and that movie came out in the late 70s. Man, some of y'all are old farts! :)
How do you manage anymore without trolling newbs on Usenet and getting your jollies off alt.binaries? ;)
Case Closed wrote:
William Moran (guy who gave Kahia a hitch) just posted smoking gun on his personal page.
https://www.facebook.com/william.moran.71?fref=ufi&rc=p
William Moran sounds like a nice guy trying to do the right thing and has provided the best evidence that Kaiha cheated, but wow, that has to be the most unfortunate last name in the history of the internet. Got to hate it when your last name is an internet meme.
??!?* wrote:
College. wrote:Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f-cking Peace Corps.
Ok. Thanks for the context guys. I looked up those quotes and that movie came out in the late 70s. Man, some of y'all are old farts! :)
And the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor in the early 40's.
frustrated. wrote:
Vegemight wrote:Great article! You're both a gentleman and a scholar.
Disagree.
It's a f*cking pathetic article! The writer leaves out the hard evidence that exists that she was dropped off 45 or 50 miles down the track. People have analyzed her claims very thoroughly and found that, if her new claim of being dropped off in the same place is truthful (it's not, according to testimony from the person who dropped her off, who has nothing to gain from lying), she would have had to cover the next 50 mile segment at close to American record (for a road 50 miler) and would thereafter continue on to cover more than 100 miles in a 24 hour period. No chance! The most mileage ever covered in a day by anyone on that trail is less than 100 miles. Also, the author says that she can still qualify for the unsupported record, even though she admits to hitch-hiking. Nobody on the hiking forum agrees with that criteria. The last record holder didn't accept any rides. There's plenty of other evidence against her, but the missing 50 mile segment is ironclad proof that she cheated.
The author casts her as a sympathetic victim of sexual assault and makes it seem like a 50/50 proposition as to whether she did what she is claiming. There is no mention of her criminal record or her completely irresponsible behavior when it comes to being a mother and role model for her kid or not being there to care for her dying relative. She recently lost one dog and abandoned the other with her mother. She is a selfish, narcissistic, lying fraud. Even her own mother won't defend her.
There is exactly zero chance that she completed the full course. I would wager a million to one odds on that statement.
Agreed that the Outside author missed a chance to confront KB with the evidence, and instead simply used the interview as a starting point for a larger discussion about Fastest Known Times generally. A lost opportunity that unfortunately dignified KB's claims.
Note that for KB did claim to hike the 100 miles in a 24 hour period, it would have followed multiple days hiking in the mid 50 range -- all those days since she left the Andover ME hostel.
In any case, the larger news organizations such as Runners World and CNN are not picking up her story, focusing on Meltzer's accomplishments. As far as the so-called Fastest Known Time gatekeepers are concerned, I can't imagine that they will give credence to KB's claims. Her story is already an absurd footnote to Appalachian Trail lore.
I think that KB will continue with her delusional claims despite all evidence and against all reason. She is world famous in her own mind.
Whiteblaze withdrew wrote:
Closing the thread is hiding the truth, and supporting the the fraud.
I don't get the hate for Whiteblaze. The most compelling evidence that she cheated was developed by people associated with the Whiteblaze thread. Someone there tracked down Mr. Moran and pushed him to lay out his chronology and produce enough evidence to establish that she cheated. Without them, I doubt he would have cared enough to do this.
What have the people on this thread contributed, besides righteous outrage?
Enlighten me, please.
PS I am not talking about the discovery by the LRC brain trust that Germany bombed Pearl Harbor. While very important, that fact is irrelevant to the question of whether Kaiha cheated.
Germans attack Pearl Harbor wrote:
PS I am not talking about the discovery by the LRC brain trust that Germany bombed Pearl Harbor. While very important, that fact is irrelevant to the question of whether Kaiha cheated.
As George Washington said at the Gettysburg Address . . . "That went right over your head"
having a set of sign-in books in assorted places on the trail would be a good way of reducing fraud or at least making it more difficult.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
As George Washington said at the Gettysburg Address . . . "That went right over your head"
George Washington? Gettysburg Address?
You might want to loosen your toga so more blood gets to your brain. Ben Franklin gave the Gettysburg Address.
FACT, MORAN!
jjjjj wrote:
having a set of sign-in books in assorted places on the trail would be a good way of reducing fraud or at least making it more difficult.
There are already. Most every shelter has a log. There are also logs posted at some of the trailheads so hikers can report conditions or wildlife to hikers going the opposite direction.
I doubt most people sign them. I've hiked roughly half the trail and have only signed 1 log in 1 shelter in the Smokies ... to record a nuisance bear.