how can you ignore Nicholls? 10k will likely be his best event- he's certainly not a speed type 5k runner either. Will Peter Riley run? What about Frank Tickner- anyone know his summer plans? 3:45 and 8:03 in his first two races suggest a good campaign ahead for him, anyone know if Tickner is running the 10k?
Good luck to Mellor- hopefully one of our future greats
so who is actually 100% confirmed definately running then?
It makes me laugh that people talk about our good juniors as 'future greats', they are indeed good runners with lots of talent, but take a look at what our juniors were running in the 70's, 80's, Paul Taylor ran 13.20's, as did Steve Binns, and further back Dave Black was running amazng 5k/10k times. They are good runners but sub 14 should not be too tough an ask for the best juniors in the country.
The problem is they get a bit of success and shoe companies start throwing kit at them, Nike seems to be particularly keen to sponsor 16-20 year olds at the moment and this could be a negative as many seem to think they have already made it.
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It makes me laugh that people talk about our good juniors as 'future greats', they are indeed good runners with lots of talent, but take a look at what our juniors were running in the 70's, 80's, Paul Taylor ran 13.20's, as did Steve Binns, and further back Dave Black was running amazng 5k/10k times. They are good runners but sub 14 should not be too tough an ask for the best juniors in the country.
The problem is they get a bit of success and shoe companies start throwing kit at them, Nike seems to be particularly keen to sponsor 16-20 year olds at the moment and this could be a negative as many seem to think they have already made it.
In this situation is it better to be positive or negative about an athletes capabilities?!?
In fairness to BMC Manchester he did say "hopefully" one of our future greats. I am well aware that Jon has someway to go before reaching this status. However, I am working on it and it's early days.
I agree that Steve Binns and Dave Black were exceptional talents who ran fast times as juniors. I know that from experience as I ran in the same races as both of them during my racing career. Equally though I have known other good athletes who although they were good juniors did not break 14mins for 5K but did get down to the 13:20's / 30's as seniors. These were Dave Murphy, John Woods and Geoff Smith. All ex members of Liverpool Harriers and good friends of mine so I am not short of advice if needed. Dave is still Liverpool's fastest u20 5k runner at 14:20. I am sure there are many others too and provided Jon makes this type of progress I'll be more than happy.
Back in the mid 80s Merseyside probably had a scoring six that would beat the current best 6 that GB has to offer from any distance from 5k to the marathon. If you add the likes of Martin McLoughlin, Steve Anders and Gerry Helme to the 3 you mentioned. Mind you there's probably a few other counties that could say the same.
droning on about the good old days isn't helping anyone to be honest
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droning on about the good old days isn't helping anyone to be honest
funny how so many young people - in all walks of life - refuse to learn the lessons of the past.
Any word about the women AAA's? Who is in and who is out?
Lets face it, how may people lookd at the thread of Fosters tarining and thought 'bloody hell', like it or net people just don't put that kind of work in, mainly because of other commitments and complicated lives but very few people I know train even near that level. The problem is people like Ghost come on here and cloud the issue.
I'm 43 years old, and remember the glory days well. Putting down the top athletes we do have does not help the situation
It is perfectly possible to reminisce about the old days without criticising the 'modern' days.
If someone comes on here and says something along the lines of "I would like to become a very good runner, but I can't because I have to hold down a full time job" then there is surely nothing wrong with mentioning that other runners in the past have faced and overcome the same problem.
16 days
from Steamboat 4 mile this morning, Scott Overall ran a good race on a humid morning (as always). Jon Brown has won this back in his road racing prime (in sub 18:00), at least he is on his way back. Overall 14:32 at 5k, JB 14:43, leaders 14:09
male participants
1 John Korir 17:54
3 Ridouane Harroufi 17:55
5 Tom Nyariki 18:03
6 Richard Kiplagat 18:04
2 Josh Moen 18:09
4 Matt Gonzales 18:16
9 Haron Lagat 18:18
13 Justin Young 18:31
37 Ryan Sheehan 18:33
38 Scott Overall 18:45
22 Nate Jenkins 18:50
10 Jon Brown 18:52
25 Ben Rosario 18:59
16 Jeff Gaudette 19:00
11 Evans Rutto 19:22
We are fast approaching the race. Any news on likely runners. Geele? Nicholls? Ward? Buckely? Reilly? Ford? Wicks?
Jo Pavey is entered. Should be good race if Yelling, Read and Yamouchi also run.
geele cannot run it
im running got the day of work, so will be there.
How is your training going Jason. Been very impressed by your progression this year. Have you been doing anything different? Or is it thee culmination of lots of years of hard work?
i have a very demanding job and in the past it has had to come first to get to where im at now. i can now spend more time on running again. i think the talant has always been there but the dedication was lacking, i would go through periods where i would get race fit but then not race, especially during the track season. Also had a couple of years of injury in my early 20s. The main thing what has changed is, i joined up with a new coach last year and he is more hands on than my last coach, he tells me what to do on most days. where as before i would just do what i felt like. The main thing has been setting goals and targets and fitting my training to fit these, also resetting the targets when things happen. My coach set me the target of getting through the winter running 29.10 on the track and then go into the winter and try to qualify for europeans and worlds. But this alll changed as the past winter went alot better than expected.
training now is normally 80 to 100 a week( most runs are done at 6 min miling or quicker) with speed work on tuesday tempo on a thursday and long reps on saturday, but the biggest difference has been adding other things in such as core work and regular massage. Plus another good point not drinking as much as i used to which really helps. jason
good luck, seems as though it is wide open this year. Whoever can pop a sub 29 has a chance