I thought that's what I said? So that means Hocker is still over two seconds slower than Jakob over the 1500.
You said indoors is as fast as outdoors. The view is that BU is as fast as racing outdoors, not indoors generally. The vast majority think that BU is faster than other indoor tracks. It's the only indoor track that most people here would put on par with racing outdoors.
Hocker's 3:45 wasn't at BU. It was at JDL.
Your mistake is taking an opinion about one indoor track and applying it to all indoor tracks.
I didn't say ALL indoor tracks are as fast as outdoors - just as not all outdoor tracks are fast. You are a pedantic twit. But claims about how fast an indoor track is is only a matter of opinion. It is speculation, not fact. That is most posts here.
Hocker also didn't run 3:45. He was only a few hundreds under 3:46. At this level that is a substantial difference.
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The “#1 distance runner if the world” right now is the guy who has, lately:
- Won the Chicago marathon in October
- Won world XC in January
- Frontran the entire way to a 57:20 WR in March
…
NOT the guy who time-trialled to miss the 1500 WR, and placed 5th at this own nationals.
Let’s check back at the end of April where we’ll know if Hocker is World Indoor Champion, and Kiplimo is London Marathon Champion. If they both win, I’d say Kiplimo can hold the claim, but if Hocker wins and Kiplimo does not I think it’s Hockers claim. Rarely do marathoners face a race with close to half of the heavy hitters but London is the rare case.
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Let’s check back at the end of April where we’ll know if Hocker is World Indoor Champion, and Kiplimo is London Marathon Champion. If they both win, I’d say Kiplimo can hold the claim, but if Hocker wins and Kiplimo does not I think it’s Hockers claim. Rarely do marathoners face a race with close to half of the heavy hitters but London is the rare case.
I see what you're saying, but I think that London will likely be more competitive as a marathon than WiC will be as a 3000.
That's 8 guys within 4% of the WR. I don't know that this will be true of WIC. (Though 8 sub-7:34 guys in one race could happen, and likely will in the DL or WAUC, I doubt that so many of them will be in Poland.)
Annnnd Grant Fisher, 3000/5000 indoor record holder over Hocker, who Hocker definitely couldn’t sniff in the 10,000, comes 14th in the New York half with a slow 1:00:53. (Maybe worth 59:50 on a flat course. MAYBE.)
A week after Kiplimo runs a dominating 57:20. 😆
It’s pretty obvious where the big dogs play. WHERE THE MONEY IS.
The “#1 distance runner if the world” right now is the guy who has, lately:
- Won the Chicago marathon in October
- Won world XC in January
- Frontran the entire way to a 57:20 WR in March
…
NOT the guy who time-trialled to miss the 1500 WR, and placed 5th at this own nationals.
Let’s check back at the end of April where we’ll know if Hocker is World Indoor Champion, and Kiplimo is London Marathon Champion. If they both win, I’d say Kiplimo can hold the claim, but if Hocker wins and Kiplimo does not I think it’s Hockers claim. Rarely do marathoners face a race with close to half of the heavy hitters but London is the rare case.
What happens if Kiplimo comes 2nd but runs 2:01?
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3000m is going to be interesting. Hocker up against Kerr, Nuguse, Beamish, Habz and others on a tight indoor track, championship style racing. Anything can happen really.
Looking back at last year, I actually think the 1500m rounds benefitted Jakob. Gave him a chance to feel it out on the track the day before jumping into the 3000m final. Hocker is going to need to be on his game straight away.
Jakob won the least interesting olympic 1500 I've ever seen. Hocker won the greatest. And we're still talking about this lmaooo. Obvious hocker doesn't care about non championship races and why would he?
Obvious hocker doesn't care about non championship races and why would he?
It is obvious Hocker doesn’t care. He missed every championship podium in his signature event prior to his 2024 OG medal. And then didn’t qualify for the 2025 world final. And failed to qualify at all for 2026 world indoors lol
Let’s check back at the end of April where we’ll know if Hocker is World Indoor Champion, and Kiplimo is London Marathon Champion. If they both win, I’d say Kiplimo can hold the claim, but if Hocker wins and Kiplimo does not I think it’s Hockers claim. Rarely do marathoners face a race with close to half of the heavy hitters but London is the rare case.
What happens if Kiplimo comes 2nd but runs 2:01?
2nd and 2:01:xx at the London Marathon is more impressive than ANY POSSIBLE FINISH at an indoor track meet, including the "indoor world championship."
But let's give Hocker a chance.
2:01 for a marathon is less than 1% off the World Record. If Hocker ever runs 7:20 for the 3000 (PB 7:23) for the 3000 or 12:47 for the 5000 (PB 12:55 lol), he will be on that level. (Let's be honest, he's not running 3:27 again.)
Looking back at last year, I actually think the 1500m rounds benefitted Jakob. Gave him a chance to feel it out on the track the day before jumping into the 3000m final. Hocker is going to need to be on his game straight away.
Good point.
And Jakob's preparation included doubling at European Championships, with heats and finals in both the 1500 and 3000.
Hocker's chosen pre-meets were mostly racing college guys in tailored time trials.
