Also pretty funny all the stuff said about how the 1500 has fundamentally changed... turns out, nope—it was literally all just because of one guy being in the race (Jakob).
I think this is a big reason why the 1500 became so compelling. Jakob's tactics made it very clear what you had to do to win a global 15. And so we'd see guys progress and slowly realize a win was possible (Kerr, Hocker). Compare that to this race where the 1-2 finishers had no business finishing there if it was a typical Jakob-style fitness test. Ironically the event is a lot less compelling when the championships are just crapshoots.
Wightman and Nader were very clearly the best today. Maybe….not the fittest but they peaked best and had the best tactics. They were well clear of the field too. The top 5 were almost a second faster than the rest.
Crazy... As a brit, and a fan of the sport, I was gutted to see Kerr finish like that.
HOWEVER... the footage clearly showed he stepped over onto the infield at one point. Why wasn't he DQd for that?? It was only one foot, but very clear.
If it was on a straight he won´t be DQed. No advantage.
You couldn't write a better story for the mem's 1500m world champs.
Jakob Ingebrigsten got eliminated in the heats due to a to potential injury Cole Hocker got disqualified in the semi finals due to jostling Josh Kerr got his ankle clipped in the finals and ended up last place Niels laros, a heavy favourite only got fifth in the finals, who got beat by Timothy Cheruiyot who is not among the favourites Issac Nader, a true Dark Horse taking gold The only realistic outcome is Jake Wight man getting silver
As there is an alleged saying the 1500 is a 12 man race rather than 2-3
Also pretty funny all the stuff said about how the 1500 has fundamentally changed... turns out, nope—it was literally all just because of one guy being in the race (Jakob).
An interesting point, but probably need to give credit to Tim Cheruiyot too. He won 2019 Worlds from the front in 3:29, and led most of the 2021 Olympic final also at sub-3:30 pace. Ingebrigtsen took over Cheruiyot's mantle.
No I wouldn’t, I never support impeding other runners who would then go on to place 6th in a final. F off.
I know you've never touched a track in your life, but what Hocker did was inconsequential and has never been called a DQ in the history of the sport.
Zip it up when you’re done. Your favorite runner got DQed in the heats for impeding another runner who went on to place 6th in the final. That is the very definition of consequential. So embarrassing for Hocker 😹
Zip it up when you’re done. Your favorite runner got DQed in the heats for impeding another runner who went on to place 6th in the final. That is the very definition of consequential. So embarrassing for Hocker 😹
Telling me to zip it up when you spend every waking moment of your day thinking and posting about a washed BUM, JAJAJA
Also pretty funny all the stuff said about how the 1500 has fundamentally changed... turns out, nope—it was literally all just because of one guy being in the race (Jakob).
An interesting point, but probably need to give credit to Tim Cheruiyot too. He won 2019 Worlds from the front in 3:29, and led most of the 2021 Olympic final also at sub-3:30 pace. Ingebrigtsen took over Cheruiyot's mantle.
Exactly. We've gotten two guys in a row with the best time-trial ability who like to run from the front. Of course, it hasn't worked that well; in 5 global championships (Cheruiyot 2019, 2021; Ingebrigtsen 2022, 2023, 2024), the front-runner has only won once, the very first time Cheruiyot tried the strategy. So we were probably due for a reversion, and this year with Ingebrigtsen injured and Cheruiyot past his peak (plus no Nuguse) was the perfect time for it.
The question is: what happens going forward? Ingebrigtsen knows that the only time he's actually won the championship is when someone else took the pace. Everyone else has gotten used to keying off Ingebrigtsen. So it could be that the event settles back to where it was 10 years ago where it's 3:34 every year (not like there weren't fast guys in those finals). Or maybe the idea that championships should be run sub-3:30 has sunk in and every year there will be a guy who has a go. My guess is that it will yo-yo back and forth for a few years: fast one year, slow the next. We could even get a 3:40+ if everyone decides not to be the sacrifical lamb.
Because he's from a doping country, his father is from a double doping country and he's got a coach who got his reputation from working with mega-doped athletes.
Reputation is important in sport, and I can think of no other reason why an athlete would actively seek out the services of a known doping coach other than the obvious.
OK I see that you are a guy who knows your stuff!
What is your take then on Sydney and Jefferson-Wooden? Aren´t they from a country where generation after generations of sprinters have been busted and haven´t their coaches been involved in doping scandals?
I think there is suspicion about Sydney (and Kersee) among America's track fans, but she has been in the brightest spotlight for a long time and is likely one of track's most tested athletes. After a certain point, as a fan, you have to start giving the benefit of the doubt. Hoey is kind of similar--a lot of suspicion early this year but still no positives, so American fans are now giving him the benefit of the doubt. If Nader goes a full 12 months without a positive, I'll feel the same about him too.
American track fans are not totally naive on this issue and, even when vocal, most of us strive to be reasonable, drawing conclusions on an intuitive but sometimes effective assessment of baseline odds. For instance, the most vocal American fans have been this year on doping was when Chepngetich set the women's marathon record. The unprecedented attention that particular record drew was later vindicated by subsequent testing.
No I wouldn’t, I never support impeding other runners who would then go on to place 6th in a final. F off.
I know you've never touched a track in your life, but what Hocker did was inconsequential and has never been called a DQ in the history of the sport.
I don't agree. There have been more egregious fouls, but in my book that was a clear DQ.
But think of it this way: getting through the rounds is about both fitness and tactics. For tactics, the number one rule, by far, is: don't get yourself stuck in a box you can't run your way out of. Hocker, for all his accomplishments, failed at exactly that. Sometimes it opens up, sometimes it doesn't, but you're always taking that risk. It sucks, because he would have been one of the favorites for the final*, but that's the difference between championships and the Diamond League.
*Which doesn't mean he necessarily would have won. If Laros had been the one DQ'd from the final instead of Hocker, I'm sure we'd all be talking about how he would have won instead. Hocker's kick is at its best in a fast race, like the Olympics last year or even in 2021 where he still ran 3:31.
You snowflakes think more about pronouns than a gender studies PhD working in a queer sex shop, I swear. Every time Nikki’s name comes up there’s pages on pages of you triggered snowflakes whining about pronouns. You’d rather the US not medal than have to see someone who uses “they.” You think about it more than Nikki does!